Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[shankyz]

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[Raju Seth]

does anyone has any idea about minesweeper vessel of navy.Last one was decommisioned in 2018 & from then on there is no minesweeper left in navy ,also no plan to construct more is in motion

 

[binayak95]

does anyone has any idea about minesweeper vessel of navy.Last one was decommisioned in 2018 & from then on there is no minesweeper left in navy ,also no plan to construct more is in motion

We dont need minesweepers, we need mine warfare ships.

All OPVs, FACs and corvettes can undertake minesweeping missions effectively. Mine laying, on the other hand - not so much.

 

[12arya]

Explained: Everything You Wanted To Know About Controversy Over New Naval Chief’s Appointment

Vice Admiral Karambir Singh (left), the next Navy Chief, and Vice Admiral Bimal Verma (right), the current head of Andaman and Nicobar Command.

Snapshot

• Why the Modi government did not appoint Vice Admiral Bimal Verma, head of the Andaman and Nicobar Command, as the new chief of the navy.
  

On Monday (8 April), Vice Admiral Bimal Verma, Commander in Chief of the Port Blair-based Andaman and Nicobar Command of the Indian Navy, moved the Armed Forces Tribunal challenging his supersession and appointment of Vice Admiral Karambir Singh as the next chief of the Navy. In his petition, the officer sought the apex court's intervention to know the reasons for his supersession.

However, a day later (9 April), Verma withdrew the petition after the Armed Forces Tribunal refused to entertain his request, asking the officer to file a statutory complaint to the Ministry of Defence under the Navy Act.

Verma is six months senior to Singh, who was named the Navy Chief designate by the Narendra Modi government last month and is set to take over after the incumbent Navy Chief, Admiral Sunil Lanba, retires on 31 May.

This is not the first instance of supersession in the armed forces. In 2016, the Modi government superseded two officers of the Army to appoint Lieutenant General Bipin Rawat as the Chief of Army Staff. Governments of Indira Gandhi and Jawaharlal Nehru had also overlooked seniority in some cases. Therefore, supersession is not a new phenomenon. And while the reasons for supersession in most of these cases may not be crystal clear, Verma’s case stands out.

Verma’s fate may have been sealed as far back as 2005, when he was the Principal Director of Naval Operation. The Naval War Room leak episode, which was traced back to the Directorate of Naval Operations in the South Block, unfolded during his tenure. This involved the leak of over 7,000 pages of sensitive information, which included, among other things, documents related to India’s maritime preparedness, details of vulnerable areas like Sir Creek, the joint response by the Army, Navy and Air Force in case of a Pakistani ingress in Kutch, and the Navy’s plans for the next 20 years.

The Indian Navy’s in-house inquiry fixed the responsibility for the leak on three officers — Commander Vijendra Rana of the Marine Commando Force, Commander Vinod Kumar Jha, a navigation and operations specialists, and Captain Kashyap Kumar. These officers were dismissed from service without a trial using a provision under Article 311 of the Constitution, which allows summary action in the interest of national security. However, Verma, directly in charge of the war room at the time, was only issued a Letter of Severe Displeasure for his “acts of omission and commission”.

Far from pulling him up for the leak, the Navy, under its then chief Admiral Arun Prakash, whose relative Ravi Shankaran was a key accused in War Room leak case, gave Verma a “plum posting” as the Commanding Officer of INS Mysore, a Delhi-class guided-missile destroyer. This, many believed, took away the sting of the letter of displeasure issued to him after the War Room leak episode. Interestingly, Outlook had reported in 2007, that there were calls back and forth between the chief and his relative.

Moreover, Vice Admiral Nirmal Verma, the officer who cleared the posting, was Bimal Verma’s elder brother and was in line to be the next chief of the Indian Navy. He served as the Chief of Naval Staff between 2009 and 2012.

Various reports have established the link between the Naval War Room leaks and the Scorpene deal scam under the Congress-led United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government. The alleged link between the two incidents was substantiated by the UPA government’s poor response to the leak. Reports said the UPA had failed to act against the civilians who had benefited from the leak.

Interestingly, the Congress government appointed Admiral Nirmal Verma, Bimal Verma’s brother who had cleared his new posting after the War Room scandal, as India’s High Commissioner to Canada after his retirement in 2012. Admiral Nirmal Verma was appointed after the Prime Minister’s Office rejected External Affairs Ministry’s suggestion to appoint then additional secretary Basant Gupta to the post and asked it to recommend the former navy chief instead.

The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), then under Lal Krishna Advani, had raised all these issues vociferously, accusing the UPA of a cover-up. A decade later, a BJP-led government has denied Bimal Verma another promotion.

 

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[bhramos]

For future aircraft carrier, Navy homes in to electric propulsion, could use hybrid system.

 

[IndianHawk]

For future aircraft carrier, Navy homes in to electric propulsion, could use hybrid system.

No timeline again but endless conceptualisation.

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[Prashant12]

One hugely important DRDO project called the 'Supersonic Missile Assisted Release Torpedo' (SMART) seems to have made some progress with pneumatic ejection tests with dummy torpedoes being carried out. SMART intends to engage naval targets up to *650 km* away.

 

[IndianHawk]

One hugely important DRDO project called the 'Supersonic Missile Assisted Release Torpedo' (SMART) seems to have made some progress with pneumatic ejection tests with dummy torpedoes being carried out. SMART intends to engage naval targets up to *650 km* away.

Are they launching torpedo enclosed in a supersonic missile !!

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[Vijyes]

Are they launching torpedo enclosed in a supersonic missile !!

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Yes, that is what the idea is. Fire a missile and then make it submerge and hit the ship as a torpedo. It is something similar to ASROC of USA. But SMART is supersonic and has 600km range whereas ASROC is subsonic and has rocket range of 25km while the torpedo is a lightweight torpedo that has 15km range. The basic reason for using rocket is because torpedoes travel very slowly at about 70kmph whereas rockets can travel at 700kmph and hence get closer to vessel at a faster rate and dropping torpedo near it so that the ship or submarine has no time to react.

I am really surprised that SMART is having 600km range. How will anyone track a ship that far and then launch a torpedo near it? How will it be any different from Brahmos in that case? If the missile is flying for 600km, it can be detected by radars and there will be time to react.

 

[Enquirer]

One hugely important DRDO project called the 'Supersonic Missile Assisted Release Torpedo' (SMART) seems to have made some progress with pneumatic ejection tests with dummy torpedoes being carried out. SMART intends to engage naval targets up to *650 km* away.

This is awesome!
This has always been my favorite DRDO project for several years (even though most ppl didn't bother about it).
Also, good to hear about a range number for the first time!!!

 

[Enquirer]

Are they launching torpedo enclosed in a supersonic missile !!

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Yes!!!

Yes, that is what the idea is. Fire a missile and then make it submerge and hit the ship as a torpedo. It is something similar to ASROC of USA. But SMART is supersonic and has 600km range whereas ASROC is subsonic and has rocket range of 25km while the torpedo is a lightweight torpedo that has 15km range. The basic reason for using rocket is because torpedoes travel very slowly at about 70kmph whereas rockets can travel at 700kmph and hence get closer to vessel at a faster rate and dropping torpedo near it so that the ship or submarine has no time to react.

No. This is not to hit a ship but a submarine.

There's no point in flying at supersonic speed all the way and then reduce 95% of the speed and try to hit the ship as a lumbering torpedo! Anti-ship missiles actually SPEED UP in the terminal phase. Ships can easily outsmart a torpedo!

I am really surprised that SMART is having 600km range. How will anyone track a ship that far and then launch a torpedo near it? How will it be any different from Brahmos in that case? If the missile is flying for 600km, it can be detected by radars and there will be time to react.

Not track a ship but a submarine - perhaps by an aerial drone (like Guardian, that may not be able to carry heavy torpedos). I have always argued (in these forums) that platforms like P-8Is are way too expensive to operate in large numbers! Instead cheap drones (that have 10x endurance of P8s) should patrol the waters and offensive action can be taken either by calling in a (one of the limited number of) P8 that maybe 500-1000kms away OR launch a SMART torpedos from a distant ship!!

 

[Vijyes]

Not track a ship but a submarine - perhaps by an aerial drone (like Guardian, that may not be able to carry heavy torpedos). I have always argued (in these forums) that platforms like P-8Is are way too expensive to operate in large numbers! Instead cheap drones (that have 10x endurance of P8s) should patrol the waters and offensive action can be taken either by calling in a (one of the limited number of) P8 that maybe 500-1000kms away OR launch a SMART torpedos from a distant ship

I don't understand this. Won't the submarine simply move away by the time time missile travels 600km? Very difficult to home in on submarines.

Secondly, drones can use light weight torpedo to be dropped. There is no need for firing from 600km. Light weight tootsies have 15km range and with weight 100kg. This is good enough to hit sometimes drones can position itself before firing

 

[Enquirer]

I don't understand this. Won't the submarine simply move away by the time time missile travels 600km? Very difficult to home in on submarines.

Secondly, drones can use light weight torpedo to be dropped. There is no need for firing from 600km. Light weight tootsies have 15km range and with weight 100kg. This is good enough to hit sometimes drones can position itself before firing

Do simple math!

A supersonic rocket travelling at Mach 3 will traverse 600 kms in less than 10 mins (also I've doubts about the 600kms...actual use maybe about couple of 100 kms).

Assuming missile travelled 600kms range, the sub would at best travel 10 kms. Assuming the missile trajectory is forward looking (because the detector providing sub's speed & direction)...then the light weight torpedo can still have around 10kms to hunt!

If you start slinging couple of 250kg torpedoes to the drone, then you're going to severely limit its endurance.

And don't forget that you have the option to launch multiple such SMART torpedoes to get to 100% kill probability!!!

 

[sorcerer]

India Set to Monitor Chinese Ships’ Movements from Mozambique


New Delhi (Sputnik): Further strengthening its dominant position in the Indian Ocean Region, India is set to sign a crucial agreement which will enable it to do round-the-clock monitoring of ships passing through the ocean's waters. The Indian Navy has already said that China's growing presence in the Indian Ocean is a major challenge for India.

Ahead of undertaking a three-day visit to the southern African country of Mozambique, Indian Defence Minister Rajnath Singh on Friday said that the two countries will sign agreements in the fields of "exclusive economic zone surveillance, sharing of white shipping information and hydrography".

Under the white shipping information agreement, India can receive relevant advance information on the identity and movement of commercial non-military merchant vessels.

But this information will come in handy for tracking Chinese movements. In the past, China has claimed to have deployed its guided missile destroyers, submarines, and frigates for anti-piracy missions.


Nevertheless, the Indian Navy has been working with several countries in the region to achieve complete Maritime Domain Awareness (MDA) by setting up or exchanging information through radar stations and surveillance systems in more than a dozen countries.


The two agreements will also strengthen the Indian Navy in terms of being able to secure the seas from pirates.

The visit, commencing on 28 July, will push India's SAGAR (Security and Growth for All in the Region) initiative, which has been initiated to lead maritime security and stability.

Singh has said that the signing of these agreements will further strengthen and expand bilateral defence cooperation with the southeast African country, bordered by the Indian Ocean to the east.

A day after a Chinese white paper on defence spoke of increasing the expenditure on their navy, Indian Navy Chief Admiral Karambir Singh said on Thursday China’s focus on its naval forces is “nothing new” and that the Indian Navy has to watch how it can match China's “intent”, given its limited budget and resources.

The Chinese white paper notes: "The PLA actively promotes international security and military cooperation and refines relevant mechanisms for protecting China’s overseas interests. To address deficiencies in overseas operations and support, it builds far seas forces, develops overseas logistical facilities, and enhances capabilities in accomplishing diversified military tasks".
https://sputniknews.com/military/20...itor-chinese-ships-movements-from-mozambique/

 

[Suryavanshi]

We need to assert ourselves in the areas circled above.
We need to aim our industries, military and cultural influence over here.
We have a advantage that we are located closer to this region then China.

But looking at our government they have already assured me.

Rajnath Singh to embark on 3-day visit to Mozambique on July 28

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/ra...bique-on-july-28/amp_articleshow/70398451.cms

 

[indiatester]

We need to assert ourselves in the areas circled above.
We need to aim our industries, military and cultural influence over here.
We have a advantage that we are located closer to this region then China.

But looking at our government they have already assured me.

Rajnath Singh to embark on 3-day visit to Mozambique on July 28

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/ra...bique-on-july-28/amp_articleshow/70398451.cms

President Kovind is also visiting Benin, Gambia and Guinea

 

[Deathstar]

President Kovind is also visiting Benin, Gambia and Guinea

These visits are part of Asia Africa growth corridor. We have aligned our interests with the Japanese to tackle Chinese BRI

 

[Vijyes]

These visits are part of Asia Africa growth corridor. We have aligned our interests with the Japanese to tackle Chinese BRI

Japanese are vassals of USA. Japan is not an independent country and its foreign policy is dictated by USA. We can't collaborate with Japanese without USA collaboration

 

[sorcerer]

Three Military Logistics Support Agreements on the anvil

The agreements with Australia and Russia will be broadly on the lines of the U.S. one, while the one with Japan is a broader defence cooperation agreement including logistics, a second official said.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...t-agreements-on-the-anvil/article28734687.ece