Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Fatalis]

 

[Bleh]

I thought it's be 4SSNs & 50K ton carrier.. ku6 to increment karna chahiye. Vikrant was mostly targeting making the platform efficient & usable, unlike port-queen Vikramaditya

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

Article using random render. Got excited for a sec.

Indian Navy Inked ₹887 Crore Contract With L&T For Two Multi-Purpose Vessels

The Defence Ministry inked a contract with Larson & Toubro (L&T) Limited for the procurement of two multi-purpose vessels (MPV) for the Navy on Friday at Rs. 887,000 crore. "The MPVs will be the first of their kind platform," the Navy said in a statement.

defenceaviationpost.com

L&T MPV

 

[Fatalis]

 

[mist_consecutive]

Only 26 ?

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Only 26 ?

One squadron actually, 18. Other 8 are two seaters, supposedly not compatible with carrier operations.

 

[mist_consecutive]

One squadron actually, 18. Other 8 are two seaters, supposedly not compatible with carrier operations.

What? Vikrant itself can carry 26 Rafale-Ms, more if required. What about Vikramaditya ? Or IAC-2 ? No future vision ?

At least one squadron for coastal defense / anti-ship operations must have been obtained to project A&N islands.

This is a disaster. Current govt. is completely ignoramus or intentionally choosing to overlook future emerging threats and plan accordingly.

 

[Blademaster]

What? Vikrant itself can carry 26 Rafale-Ms, more if required. What about Vikramaditya ? Or IAC-2 ? No future vision ?

At least one squadron for coastal defense / anti-ship operations must have been obtained to project A&N islands.

This is a disaster. Current govt. is completely ignoramus or intentionally choosing to overlook future emerging threats and plan accordingly.

Just wait until official sources come out. This is not even official yet.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

What? Vikrant itself can carry 26 Rafale-Ms, more if required. What about Vikramaditya ? Or IAC-2 ? No future vision ?

At least one squadron for coastal defense / anti-ship operations must have been obtained to project A&N islands.

This is a disaster. Current govt. is completely ignoramus or intentionally choosing to overlook future emerging threats and plan accordingly.

Vikrant can carry two squadrons of aircraft, but two seater version of Rafale-M doesnt exist. So if Navy wants a trainer, they will have to go with land based one.

IMO around 3 squadrons should have been ordered.

BTW for air power projection from Andamans, I think that comes under AOR of IAF, not Navy.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Only 26 ?

navy prefers rafale M? didn't they say both fulfill their requirements and it is the gov decision?

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

What? Vikrant itself can carry 26 Rafale-Ms, more if required. What about Vikramaditya ? Or IAC-2 ? No future vision ?

At least one squadron for coastal defense / anti-ship operations must have been obtained to project A&N islands.

This is a disaster. Current govt. is completely ignoramus or intentionally choosing to overlook future emerging threats and plan accordingly.

INS Vikrant can carry 30 fixed and rotary wing aircraft max.
If you are going plonk 26 fixed wing aircraft onto the carrier then that would little to no space for AEW, ASW, AsuW and SAR helos.

PM Modi commissions INS Vikrant, nation's first made-in-India aircraft carrier

The Indigenous Aircraft Carrier is named after her illustrious predecessor, India's first aircraft carrier, which had played a vital role in the 1971 war.

www.google.com

 

[mist_consecutive]

INS Vikrant can carry 30 fixed and rotary wing aircraft max.
If you are going plonk 26 fixed wing aircraft onto the carrier then that would little to no space for AEW, ASW, AsuW and SAR helos.

PM Modi commissions INS Vikrant, nation's first made-in-India aircraft carrier

The Indigenous Aircraft Carrier is named after her illustrious predecessor, India's first aircraft carrier, which had played a vital role in the 1971 war.

www.google.com

It can carry 36 according this article from HT - https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...e-commissioned-on-sept-2-101661418602860.html

Still, 26 is way too low considering attrition, 2nd AC, and (probably) 3rd AC as well. At a minimum, 2 squadrons should have been ordered.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

It can carry 36 according this article from HT - https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...e-commissioned-on-sept-2-101661418602860.html

Still, 26 is way too low considering attrition, 2nd AC, and (probably) 3rd AC as well. At a minimum, 2 squadrons should have been ordered.

Count your lucky stars that this deal is even going ahead before the elections.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Count your lucky stars that this deal is even going ahead before the elections.

Instead, the Navy should count their lucky stars that Chinese CBGs are probably not going to squat in the Arabian Sea in this decade. In the next decade, Expect one Chinese CBG each in the Indian Ocean and Arabian Sea, and Chinese Pakistani J-10s armed with BrahMos-level anti-ship missiles to defend Karachi.

 

[jai jaganath]

Only 26 ?

Itne main hi that Rahul baba is gonna shout
Don't u guys think it's bit ill timed

 

[mist_consecutive]

Just wait until official sources come out. This is not even official yet.

Confirmed now. The Navy has been foolishly low-balled. We are building our defense capabilities like a failed state while being the 5th largest economy.

Our enemies are two nuclear-powered states, one being a superpower, and our babus can't be bothered to loosen their batua.

 

[binayak95]

Confirmed now. The Navy has been foolishly low-balled. We are building our defense capabilities like a failed state while being the 5th largest economy.

Our enemies are two nuclear-powered states, one being a superpower, and our babus can't be bothered to loosen their batua.

Whats gotten you into such a rage?
26 Rafales? IF they are indeed Rafales?

 

[Javelin_Sam]

What? Vikrant itself can carry 26 Rafale-Ms, more if required. What about Vikramaditya ? Or IAC-2 ? No future vision ?

At least one squadron for coastal defense / anti-ship operations must have been obtained to project A&N islands.

This is a disaster. Current govt. is completely ignoramus or intentionally choosing to overlook future emerging threats and plan accordingly.

Ordering more than 26 Rafales is not needed. Navy is not gonna throw away the nearly 40 MiG 29 Ks anytime soon. It will be 40 MiG-29K plus 26 Rafale-M plus = 66 Naval Fighters for a 2 carrier Navy. By the time Vikrant's sister ship is up for commission, Vikramaditya will be retired. Navy will also have TEDBF shaping up by then. So no need to spend the already tight Naval Capex on an additional Rafale-M

To base on AN islands and project power, Sukhois are any day better than Rafale. More range and better payload.

 

[mist_consecutive]

Whats gotten you into such a rage?
26 Rafales? IF they are indeed Rafales?

Are you questioning if Navy will indeed order Rafale for carrier-based operation ?

And the reason I am frustrated is that, despite having money, capability, and requirement, we order everything in a piecemeal manner. From artillery, helicopters, guns, jets, drones, and everything.

Ordering more than 26 Rafales is not needed. Navy is not gonna throw away the nearly 40 MiG 29 Ks anytime soon. It will be 40 MiG-29K plus 26 Rafale-M plus = 66 Naval Fighters for a 2 carrier Navy. By the time Vikrant's sister ship is up for commission, Vikramaditya will be retired. Navy will also have TEDBF shaping up by then. So no need to spend the already tight Naval Capex on an additional Rafale-M

To base on AN islands and project power, Sukhois are any day better than Rafale. More range and better payload.

I think the Navy specified they are looking for an early retirement of Mig-29K.

 

[Haldilal]

Ordering more than 26 Rafales is not needed. Navy is not gonna throw away the nearly 40 MiG 29 Ks anytime soon. It will be 40 MiG-29K plus 26 Rafale-M plus = 66 Naval Fighters for a 2 carrier Navy. By the time Vikrant's sister ship is up for commission, Vikramaditya will be retired. Navy will also have TEDBF shaping up by then. So no need to spend the already tight Naval Capex on an additional Rafale-M

To base on AN islands and project power, Sukhois are any day better than Rafale. More range and better payload.

Ya'll Nibbiars I dont think Vikramaditya will be replaced by the INS Vishal.