Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

Javelin_Sam

Regular Member
Joined
Mar 5, 2019
Messages
307
Likes
1,782
Country flag

From the above article:
"Asked whether the lift size of India’s indigenous aircraft carrier INS Vikrant would be an issue, sources said both aircraft had to be brought up and down at a certain angle. While the wings of Super Hornets fold — unlike the Rafale — these still had to be brought up and down at a certain angle. Both aircraft also have a separate process in which the wings fold."

So I think net net both aircrafts have to be tilted so not much advantage there for F-18. Makes sense to go with Rafale then. I sniff a combined order for IAF and IN coming for F4
 

Suryavanshi

Cheeni KLPDhokebaaz
Senior Member
Joined
Jun 5, 2017
Messages
13,997
Likes
62,012
Country flag
Why did we order only 45 MIG 29 k including trainers when we knew that we needed 56 on the AC alone and some more for reverse? Should have order approx 60 to 70?
It's not like we were not sure about or carrier program, we knew the numbers recuired first hand.
Now 4 are crashed and our numbers are down fither.
Am I missing something here?
 

Aniruddha Mulay

Senior Member
Joined
Oct 16, 2019
Messages
1,374
Likes
7,032
Country flag
Why did we order only 45 MIG 29 k including trainers when we knew that we needed 56 on the AC alone and some more for reverse? Should have order approx 60 to 70?
It's not like we were not sure about or carrier program, we knew the numbers recuired first hand.
Now 4 are crashed and our numbers are down fither.
Am I missing something here?
We had initially only ordered 16 Mig 29K for INS Vikramaditya.
As @Chinmoy already mentioned, the sanctioned strength for each AC is 30 aircraft, now if you add 26 Mig 29K, you can only add 4 helos which isn't ideal
 

WolfPack86

Senior Member
Joined
Oct 20, 2015
Messages
9,793
Likes
15,863
Country flag
France’s Rafale jets are frontrunner in race for Indian Navy contract
New Delhi: French aircraft manufacturer Dassault Aviation’s Rafale-M has emerged as the frontrunner to bag a mega contract from the Indian Navy for 27 fighters, ThePrint has learnt, leaving behind US firm Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet.

Sources in the defence and security establishment said the Navy has submitted a detailed report to the defence ministry on performance of the Super Hornets and Rafale-M, which is the marine version of the fighter aircraft already in use with the Indian Air Force, during two sets of demonstration.

American firm Boeing and French manufacturer Dassault Aviation carried out operational demonstrations of the Super Hornets and Rafale-M respectively, showcasing ski-jumps — a crucial take-off capability — from the shore-based test facility at INS Hansa in Goa, to demonstrate their ability to operate from Indian aircraft carriers.

Refusing to get into details, sources said the report from the naval headquarters to the defence ministry mentions the “positives” only, and that Rafale-M met all criteria.

The report to the defence ministry has been sent after a detailed analysis by the naval headquarters on the performance by both aircraft. Those undertaking the tests had prepared a ‘trial report’ that was sent to the naval headquarters for detailed analysis on performance and shortlisting of aircraft.

Asked whether the lift size of India’s indigenous aircraft carrier INS Vikrant would be an issue, sources said both aircraft had to be brought up and down at a certain angle. While the wings of Super Hornets fold — unlike the Rafale — these still had to be brought up and down at a certain angle. Both aircraft also have a separate process in which the wings fold.

The design and space of the lift size has been a problem because it is understood to have been made taking the MiG 29K and the naval version of the Tejas aircraft into consideration.

The Navy currently operates the Russian MiG 29K aircraft from INS Vikramaditya. But with the commissioning of INS Vikrant, the force has been seeking more fighter jets.

The new contract is meant to be an interim arrangement because the Navy is betting on its indigenous fighter. Navy Chief Admiral Hari Kumar had Saturday said the future of Indian naval aviation was the indigenous Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF), whose prototype is expected by 2026-27 and production to start somewhere around 2032.

He also said that the existing naval fighter, MiG 29K, were in limited numbers and Russian spare supplies were “also not very forthcoming”.

Fighters for IAF
Sources said the ball now was in the court of the defence ministry that will decide on the next course of action. They added that the contract is likely to be a government-to-government deal just like the earlier order for IAF’s Rafale jets.

It is learnt that the French have offered to transfer some aircraft from its own naval fleet to ensure that the Indian Navy can operate them faster. However, all fighters are likely to be bought off-the-shelf.

Sources explained that the forward movement by the Indian Navy would mean that the proposal for more Rafale jets for the IAF is also likely to gather speed. This is because it would make for a more prudent financial decision to have more numbers of aircraft, thereby bringing down on costs.

As reported by ThePrint earlier, the government is thinking of splitting the mega deal for 114 Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) for IAF. Instead of acquiring 114 fighters in one go, as was planned earlier, the government is looking at going in for an initial order of 54 aircraft for the IAF.

This would entail 18 aircraft being bought off-the-shelf from the foreign Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) and 36 built in India through a joint venture under Make In India.

This would be an order that will be placed with the foreign OEM directly. A follow-on order will be placed to the joint venture and this deal would be in Indian currency.
 

ezsasa

Designated Cynic
Mod
Joined
Jul 12, 2014
Messages
27,857
Likes
124,765
Country flag
This is a chicken and egg circle. Dassault is saying if we buy moar, they will implement folding wings while IN is saying implement folding wings than we will buy.
if these are the only options available.

IN will have to start making tough calls, might as well plan for buying first and implement folding wings later.
engineering problems can be fixed one way or the other, lost time cannot be brought back.
 

Fatalis

Regular Member
Joined
Sep 27, 2022
Messages
534
Likes
3,881
Country flag
Man, on one hand IN is shining example of perfect planning and procurement when the topic is warships, missiles and indigenous technologies whereas on the other hand it is the complete opposite when we talk about SSK, LHD, AC, helicopters and aircrafts.
 

NoobWannaLearn

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 3, 2022
Messages
1,561
Likes
4,221
Country flag
Well they are so called 'leased' but IN has done what we call as total paisa vasool by flying them non-stop.
But the amount they have been flown mod should get atleast them the 10 drones they want it will be worth it
 

NutCracker

Senior Member
Joined
Jun 17, 2022
Messages
1,607
Likes
7,632
Country flag
Didn't we fine Dassault last year for not fulfilling the offset clause?

They has been acting like a leech since the days of Mirage2000. I remember reading that we had to overpay a third party for the compatible ammunition because of Dassault.

Dpnt know how much they will charge for this modification for 27 planes.
 

Global Defence

Articles

Top