Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Gessler]

Make that's because, you're not right & rest of the whole world has not got it wrong?
Have you considered the possibility of they not being as outdated as you would like them to be (...IN really likes new toys, yet they insisted on upgrading this one for longer range & tracking-seeker instead of replacing them). Could it be that the others don't get inferiority-complex, but think that might have be IN's reason for it?

While people are not using it anymore, is not much of a reason.

Unless you know what that reason is, and why it cannot be fulfilled by any other system, the assumption is moot.

 

[Neeraj Mathur]

Ya'll Nibbiars A major feat on India's National Waterway 1! A 250-ton Goliath Gantry Crane, manufactured by M/s Sangsangin Marine of South Korea, was shipped from Sagar to Kolkata for GRSE. The crane will help augment naval ship production for the country.

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AR.

first time watching whole crane being transported like this. Pretty Cool.

 

[JBH22]

Ya'll Nibbiars Defence HQ.

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This is Russian equivalent of Pentagon and sorry to say we are years away from such facility

 

[ezsasa]

Not only the raised platform in the front (which has BrahMos & Barak VLS) and the platform at the rear, but the platform in the front where the RBU-6000s are mounted can also be used for at least 6 x 8-cell Barak-sized modules (48 additional cells).

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The RBUs are fed from a magazine underneath so we know there is considerable below-deck space there as well.

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I frankly don't understand why IN continues to stick with these outdated systems even on P-15B & even P-17A (which can be argued are technologically superior to any Russian surface combatant). When I ask people why don't we move ahead from this, even most knowledgeable people on forum & twitter immediately get inferiority complex and just say IN knows what its doing.

And then come with statements like 'Underwater CIWS'...well, while that's a sound concept, we must realize we are not in 60s or 70s. There are much much better ways of countering incoming torpedoes than with these ancient systems. Look up stuff like SLQ-25 Nixie, Torbuster etc or even our own Kavach, Marreech etc etc

There are much newer hardkill & softkill options available...and which don't take up a ton of space or destroy signature management like RBU-6000 does.

Even the Russians who f@ucking invented the RBU have stopped using it on their newest combatants like Gorshkov-class frigate:

It should tell us something when even the cash-starved Russian surface fleet (subs get all the money) admit that the Soviet RBU doctrine is outdated and move on to newer & better stuff.

Want to understand this more, what are the Russians and Americans using in RBU role?

 

[swapcv]

RBU and SMART don't have the same function. Not even close.

Aren't both meant for ASW?

 

[Haldilal]

Want to understand this more, what are the Russians and Americans using in RBU role?

Aren't both meant for ASW?

Ya'll Nibbiars RBU 6000 are Unguidede Short Range Hard Kill ASW systems.

Ya'll Nibbiars

Vertical Launch Short Range ASW Missile systems.

RUM-139 VL-ASROC.



RPK-9 Medvedka.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Aren't both meant for ASW?

RBU is meant as CIWS to defend ship from torpedoes or as expensive fishing rod. If you have a hostile submarine close enough for RBU to engage, you might want to check your ship for a couple of holes in the hull.

SMART is meant for wide area ASW.

Aren't both meant for ASW?

Muricans and Russians use VL-ASROC. In terms of range, its around 30 km, between SMART (600km) and RBU (6-7km). VL-ASROC has a light torpedo as the warhead, so meant for ASW, like SMART.
Basically, RBU is mortar. VL-ASROC is howitzer. SMART is Ballistic Missile.

 

[swapcv]

Ya'll Nibbiars RBU 600 are Unguidede Short Range Hard Kill ASW systems.

Haven't most navies replaced them with ASROC/VL-ASROC's and LWT's? Even the Russians in their latest Frigates don't have RBU's.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

This is Russian equivalent of Pentagon and sorry to say we are years away from such facility

The only capabilities that this HQ has that our HQ doesn't is:-
1.) Ability to monitor remotely work in factories.
2.) Supercomputer employing predictive algorithms
3.) Weighing of personnel at entrance.

Literally everything else shown in the video is present in our HQs as well.

 

[Nationalist Manasvi Papa]

welcome back sirji

 

[India Super Power]

When is MLR of Kolkata-class destroyers, we can expect some changes atleast

Koi iska jawab do bhai

 

[gslv markIII]

 

[Neeraj Mathur]

Koi iska jawab do bhai

With a ship life of 30yrs, MLR or MLU happen after 15 yrs. All kolkata class ships are pretty new So i would say around 2029 for MLR. Rest all depends on what navy wants on these ship and when.

 

[Bleh]

NEWS: The 7th Talwar Class Frigate of @IndianNavy (Project 1135.6), to be called #Tushil launched by Mrs Datta Vidya Varma at Yantar Shipyard, Kaliningrad.

India ordered 2 additional Krivak Class Stealth Frigates from Russia, scheduled to be delivered by mid 2023

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Fuck that shit... Make more SHIVALIK-CLASS!

 

[Bleh]

Aren't both meant for ASW?

RBU is for barrage action at 12 km range against incoming torpedos & nearby subs (newer desi version to not be unguided anymore, will have acoustic seeker)... SMART is for quick-reaction search & destroy of detected subs at long range over 100km atleast.

 

[Kuldeepm952]

Make that's because, you're not right & rest of the whole world has not got it wrong?
Have you considered the possibility of they not being as outdated as you would like them to be (...IN really likes new toys, yet they insisted on upgrading this one for longer range & tracking-seeker instead of replacing them). Could it be that the others don't get inferiority-complex, but think that might have be IN's reason for it?

While people are not using it anymore, is not much of a reason.

There is no tracking sensor, please quote source If I am wrong. The Rbu 6000 rockets i.e. RGB 60 we manufacture are dumb ones and are not guided ones like Rpk 8 complex i.e. 90r rockets. So, having this space gobbler really doesn't makes sense when you can have around 16 vl-asroc (much smaller, don't confuse with SMART) equivalent system with much better payload delieverd to target with high kill probability.
I guess the present choice is more due to the systems available to us rather than their efficacy.(Not saying Rbu are useless but comapritively)
Also read somewhere that Rbu were really meant for close engagements as the Soviet heavy asw torpedos had some problem engaging targets nearby.
It's pretty much same combo of your old Soviet asw armament.

 

[Kuldeepm952]

Want to understand this more, what are the Russians and Americans using in RBU role?

For ranges upto 12 km range, western platforms generally use lightweight torpedo fired from ships (most of our ships have twin tube heavy torpedos), anything further than that you got your vl-asroc system with much higher range. And you always have a ship's best asw buddy- a helicopter.

 

[Haldilal]

Don't understand why Forces still insist on their own HQs.

NDA common hosakti hai...lekin HQ nahi hosakti?

Cough...Pentagon...cough

I have this wet dream that just like the iconic Pentagon of America, India will have "The Trident". Within a building shaped liked a Trident (when seen from above, like Pentagon looks like pentagon when we look from above, otherwise a normal looking building). Each prong of the trident will be the HQ of one of the three services and the long rod part of the trident will house HQ IDS, DSA, DCA, AFSOD (all upgraded to Commands rather than Agencies) and maybe even some R&AW detachment to liaise with AFSOD for intel-led Black Ops.

This is Russian equivalent of Pentagon and sorry to say we are years away from such facility

Ya'll Nibbiars the people who are making fun of this don't have any idea that's this is not a small complex but has an area of 13 lakhs Sq. Ft. Including the Vayu Bhavan on the other side of the road.

From stables to this buildings.

 

[Akula]

Ya'll Nibbiars A major feat on India's National Waterway 1! A 250-ton Goliath Gantry Crane, manufactured by M/s Sangsangin Marine of South Korea, was shipped from Sagar to Kolkata for GRSE. The crane will help augment naval ship production for the country.

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AR.

This must be the replacement for the crane, which was destroyed during cyclone few years ago.