Aditya Ballal
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But the Navy asking for a separate TEDBF is a sheer waste of limited resources. Instead of creating a completely new jet, they should be choosing to get an AMCA-Naval (AMCA-N) and streamline as much of their supply as possible. This IAF, IN and IA's collective problem of "we want our own" is creating a lot of redundancies.EXCLUSIVE | 'Money Spent on Indigenous Aircraft Carrier No Waste; Need Airpower Now': Navy Chief
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If HAL & ADA think they can develop 3 vastly different fighter programs simultaneously (Tejas Mk-2, TEDBF & AMCA), I can only sympathize, go to a corner & cry.But the Navy asking for a separate TEDBF is a sheer waste of limited resources. Instead of creating a completely new jet, they should be choosing to get an AMCA-Naval (AMCA-N) and streamline as much of their supply as possible. This IAF, IN and IA's collective problem of "we want our own" is creating a lot of redundancies.
Better option would have been to import FA18s/ Rafales.But the Navy asking for a separate TEDBF is a sheer waste of limited resources. Instead of creating a completely new jet, they should be choosing to get an AMCA-Naval (AMCA-N) and streamline as much of their supply as possible. This IAF, IN and IA's collective problem of "we want our own" is creating a lot of redundancies.
1. Either we let go of TEBDF for AMCA-NIf HAL & ADA think they can develop 3 vastly different fighter programs simultaneously (Tejas Mk-2, TEDBF & AMCA), I can only sympathize, go to a corner & cry.
Lockheed & Boeing wouldn't dream of doing this.
But then again, half of the disaster that was early LCA development was due to agencies not knowing their limits, and in tying up the program in knots of undeliverable promises (like indigenous engine). Sadly, the mistakes are being repeated.
How the limited budgets (make no mistake, the amounts we allocate for R&D and development are still p!ss-poor) and limited skilled engineers & manpower will be spread across 3 programs (one of which involves a next-gen fighter) is something I'm scared to even think about.
The biggest issue I have is that we've tied up IAF's next-gen acquisition entirely into the AMCA program. We literally have zero alternative plans. If the program fails to deliver in the given timelines, we're royally screwed. The adversaries will have an uncontested capability of penetrating protected airspace with LO aircraft which we'd be unable to counter.
Lot of people think Rafale (or the MRFA) would be the last foreign fighter type we will buy? I call BS on that. We are almost certain to place a knee-jerk order for 24-36 Su-57s when the AMCA fails to deliver on time (which it most certainly will) and when we begin to feel the heat of LO airframes (I hesitate to call them VLO) on both eastern & western fronts into the 2030s.
I've no idea why AMCA-N is being shunned by IN.1. Either we let go of TEBDF for AMCA-N
MiG is dead. Burning any money on them is probably 10x worse than burning it on HAL/ADA.2.or join MIG Bureau co-develop naval fighter since their naval fighter is almost identical to TEBDF.
As much as I'd love to say you're wrong, you're probably right.3. Most probable- buy new mig 29k/mig 35 naval varient
why there is so much over confidence in these agencies ??But then again, half of the disaster that was early LCA development was due to agencies not knowing their limits, and in tying up the program in knots of undeliverable promises (like indigenous engine). Sadly, the mistakes are being repeated.
Amca N is equal to making a new jet totally , slightest change in structure means lot of work , if done on a existing refined aircraft , so you have money for two five gen plane but not one fifth gen and one 4.5 gen bird with lot of similarity with a tested aircraft .I've no idea why AMCA-N is being shunned by IN.
MiG is dead. Burning any money on them is probably 10x worse than burning it on HAL/ADA.
As much as I'd love to say you're wrong, you're probably right.
Both F/A-18 and Rafale are very expensive aircraft, not to mention, they would still be operating very sub-optimally if put on STOBAR carriers. So it's probably a waste anyway.
So not hard to imagine IN might think - if we're gonna waste money anyway, let's waste it on the cheaper option - and go for additional MiG-29Ks.
There are many reasons why AMCA-N is shunned.I've no idea why AMCA-N is being shunned by IN.
MiG is dead. Burning any money on them is probably 10x worse than burning it on HAL/ADA.
As much as I'd love to say you're wrong, you're probably right.
Both F/A-18 and Rafale are very expensive aircraft, not to mention, they would still be operating very sub-optimally if put on STOBAR carriers. So it's probably a waste anyway.
So not hard to imagine IN might think - if we're gonna waste money anyway, let's waste it on the cheaper option - and go for additional MiG-29Ks.
What overconfidence , Tejas mk2 is in prototype phase , not a huge work left on it , amca too in advanced phase , tedbf is a new thing on aerodynamic front , everything else is just copy pastewhy there is so much over confidence in these agencies ??
even after failing in tejas (promised)
Yeap ,only Aerodynamics and Flight control systems are different, Radar, EW suite, EOTS, DAS, cockpit, Weapon package, avoinics and most of other subsystes are same.What overconfidence , Tejas mk2 is in prototype phase , not a huge work left on it , amca too in advanced phase , tedbf is a new thing on aerodynamic front , everything else is just copy paste
i guess economies of scaleYeap ,only Aerodynamics and Flight control systems are different, Radar, EW suite, EOTS, DAS, cockpit, Weapon package, avoinics and most of other subsystes are same.
They are government agencies. The only point of evaluation is your agreeable nature, not performance delivery. Say, 2025 timelines for AMCA fail what will happen to anyone involved with the program? Nothing.why there is so much over confidence in these agencies ??
even after failing in tejas (promised)
Well, production/assembly is the only issue l can see in this scenario. With respect to design and development, so far ADA seems to be able to handle all these different programs simultaneously.If HAL & ADA think they can develop 3 vastly different fighter programs simultaneously (Tejas Mk-2, TEDBF & AMCA), I can only sympathize, go to a corner & cry.
Lockheed & Boeing wouldn't dream of doing this.
But then again, half of the disaster that was early LCA development was due to agencies not knowing their limits, and in tying up the program in knots of undeliverable promises (like indigenous engine). Sadly, the mistakes are being repeated.
How the limited budgets (make no mistake, the amounts we allocate for R&D and development are still p!ss-poor) and limited skilled engineers & manpower will be spread across 3 programs (one of which involves a next-gen fighter) is something I'm scared to even think about.
The biggest issue I have is that we've tied up IAF's next-gen acquisition entirely into the AMCA program. We literally have zero alternative plans. If the program fails to deliver in the given timelines, we're royally screwed. The adversaries will have an uncontested capability of penetrating protected airspace with LO aircraft which we'd be unable to counter.
Lot of people think Rafale (or the MRFA) would be the last foreign fighter type we will buy? I call BS on that. We are almost certain to place a knee-jerk order for 24-36 Su-57s when the AMCA fails to deliver on time (which it most certainly will) and when we begin to feel the heat of LO airframes (I hesitate to call them VLO) on both eastern & western fronts into the 2030s.
Seems to me like there is an issues with maintenance standard of the Navy
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