Indian Electronics and Semiconductor manufacturing industry

[SavageKing456]

Read again. Its 1Bn $ per company, not in total.

Okay but rather would be beneficial to put like more amount in one company or putting bits and pieces of amount in different companies?

 

[Chinmoy]

Okay but rather would be beneficial to put like more amount in one company or putting bits and pieces of amount in different companies?

7000 Cr in a single company is not a small amount.

Putting entire amount in a single company would mean death of competition at bud itself. Just like what we did with our MIC.

So its more logical to invest in multiple companies over time and make them self sufficient to earn back.

 

[Lonewolf]

Okay but rather would be beneficial to put like more amount in one company or putting bits and pieces of amount in different companies?

First of all if someone is thinking that it may bring like of tsmc and all ,so a big NO , it will bring in tech for >10 mm tech for a basic start , some will bring 28 mm tech , other may bring better , thing is if it ever materialize , nobody want us to succeed , it's like aero engine .

Process of chip manufacturing and designing require time and investment , government know this , they are taking a logical approach by asking foreign company for some foundation , side by side our indigenous effort are on.

Remember with changing time , our amca would require a flying supercomputer , our joint armed force theatre would require high end supercomputer to manage battle scenario and co ordination .

Well something better than nothing

 

[SavageKing456]

First of all if someone is thinking that it may bring like of tsmc and all ,so a big NO , it will bring in tech for >10 mm tech for a basic start , some will bring 28 mm tech , other may bring better , thing is if it ever materialize , nobody want us to succeed , it's like aero engine .

Process of chip manufacturing and designing require time and investment , government know this , they are taking a logical approach by asking foreign company for some foundation , side by side our indigenous effort are on.

Remember with changing time , our amca would require a flying supercomputer , our joint armed force theatre would require high end supercomputer to manage battle scenario and co ordination .

Well something better than nothing

Fair enough,but now i want semiconductor mass manufacturing so bad.
So lets say If our manufacturing of semiconductor starts at basic level then how much time till we reach at TSMC level

 

[Lonewolf]

Fair enough,but now i want semiconductor mass manufacturing so bad.
So lets say If our manufacturing of semiconductor starts at basic level then how much time till we reach at TSMC level

Decades or years , nothing can be said .

It requires how things play out ,hoe interested government is in it , how much private sector wanna bet .


But be optimistic , we have taken a step in right direction , focus on karma , dharma will certainly win.

 

[Shredder]

First of all if someone is thinking that it may bring like of tsmc and all ,so a big NO , it will bring in tech for >10 mm tech for a basic start , some will bring 28 mm tech , other may bring better , thing is if it ever materialize , nobody want us to succeed , it's like aero engine .

nm

 

[Lonewolf]

nm

Typing problem ,i make a lot of mistake while typing

Thanks for correcting

 

[FalconSlayers]

1 billion is nothing we need to invest atleast 15 billion dollars to kickstart.

It is an incentive that government will give to each and every company that will manufacture semiconductor chips in India by setting up fabs here.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[notaname]

 

[shade]

Fair enough,but now i want semiconductor mass manufacturing so bad.
So lets say If our manufacturing of semiconductor starts at basic level then how much time till we reach at TSMC level

The Chongs have a Cayman Islands incorporated semiconductor manufacturer called SMIC.
It is only now perfected the 14nm process and is going to start manufacturing afaik.

It is a 20 year old company, partially state owned( which means guaranteed funding )

Backed by China's now saam daam dandh bedh lust to acquire semiconductor manufacturing tech rivalling the global incumbents like Samsung, GlobalFoundries, Intel, TSMC.

And they haven't succeeded yet.

India is a much more inefficient country being a democracy for large capital intensive industry projects, sarkar given current conditions doesn't like the PSU model anyway and is still constrained with the GibsMeDats they can throw at corporates for this purpose.

tbh i'd be grateful even if we get 24-28nm manufacturing capabilities, should be enough for microcontrollers and those ARM A-series chips, plus there is IIT-M's Shakti RISCV processor line also.

 

[SKC]

The Chongs have a Cayman Islands incorporated semiconductor manufacturer called SMIC.
It is only now perfected the 14nm process and is going to start manufacturing afaik.

It is a 20 year old company, partially state owned( which means guaranteed funding )

Backed by China's now saam daam dandh bedh lust to acquire semiconductor manufacturing tech rivalling the global incumbents like Samsung, GlobalFoundries, Intel, TSMC.

And they haven't succeeded yet.

India is a much more inefficient country being a democracy for large capital intensive industry projects, sarkar given current conditions doesn't like the PSU model anyway and is still constrained with the GibsMeDats they can throw at corporates for this purpose.

tbh i'd be grateful even if we get 24-28nm manufacturing capabilities, should be enough for microcontrollers and those ARM A-series chips, plus there is IIT-M's Shakti RISCV processor line also.

The first aim should be to replace the dependent on these foreign foundries for use in our Defense and Space area. Then next step is to replace them in the Govt sector and offices. China mandated that all their govt office will have PC with processor produced from their local foundries. They kept the processor design same as Intel first (later Intel was blocked to provide any processor to Mainland China) and then now AMD design, they replaced the encryption scheme from Western one to Chinese encryption schemes.

And then the last step should be movement towards consumer grade processors for general public and home use.

 

[shade]

The first aim should be to replace the dependent on these foreign foundries for use in our Defense and Space area. Then next step is to replace them in the Govt sector and offices. China mandated that all their govt office will have PC with processor produced from their local foundries. They kept the processor design same as Intel first (later Intel was blocked to provide any processor to Mainland China) and then now AMD design, they replaced the encryption scheme from Western one to Chinese encryption schemes.

And then the last step should be movement towards consumer grade processors for general public and home use.

Yes, this is the ultimate bait, give them a "guaranteed buyer" for like 5 years or so in the form of generous Govt contracts.
That should be enough to get the "economies of scale" going.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Vedanta Group in talks with govt to set up display fabrication unit

If it succeeds, India will get its first such facility

www.business-standard.com

 

[warriorextreme]

Meet Pranav Mahamuni, who is trying to improve PCB manufacturing in India

Pranav Mahamuni said he has a vision for the electronics industry of the country, of bringing this untapped advanced technology to and helping reshape the electronics industry of the country.

www.ibtimes.co.in

Meet Pranav Mahamuni, who is trying to improve PCB manufacturing in India

Innovation is a word that has caught a lot of attention amongst the youth of our developing country, but very few do implement the very definition of this word. To bring about a massive change in the very existing scheme of things takes an extraordinary grit and an out-of-box perspective. Meet Pranav Mahamuni, a Lead Mechanical Engineer working at New York-based startup BotFactory Inc. who is responsible for pioneering revolutionary work in the electronic circuit board industry.

He began his journey in Mechanical Engineering in 2011 from the University of Pune where he was fascinated and involved with Research in Product Design. During this time, he realized the immensity of crafting efficiency as an important factor for new products to work. He had the necessary intent and idea about this industry but knowledge and valuable training were lacking. With this, he decided to get a Masters' Degree from Stony Brook University where he was even awarded several honors for his work. He has always been inclined towards working at a startup than at a major corporation, the reason behind this, he jokingly says – "When you work for a major company you are only working on a piece of a puzzle, but when you work for a startup you are solving the entire puzzle, I am interested in the entire puzzle, not a single piece."


He says "After my master's education in the USA, I joined a new york-based startup BotFactoy as a Mechanical Engineer and was part of a team that developed the first 3D PCB printer. BotFactory leveraged a fast-rising 3D printing technology that throws out a very impressive outcome because PCBs that took weeks for development and involved expensive processes were suddenly able to be manufactured within a very short span and were super inexpensive. This extraordinary technology can enable and empower the Indian electronics industry in a manner not seen before and I'm excited about the possibility that this highly advanced & revolutionary technology will bring to my native country - India."

India meets its staggering 70% demand for electronic components through imports, mainly for the construction of consumer electronic and medical products. Reducing this growing import reliance on electronic components has been one of the hardest challenges faced by the Indian government in the last few years. There are few major factors that are affecting India's PCB industry growth such as lack of access to new technology and state-of-the-art manufacturing facilities, high capex requirements, logistic inefficiencies resulting in longer turnaround frames. "Despite these drawbacks, sustained growth in India's PCB industry can be achieved if it adapts to emerging advanced technologies such as 3D PCB printing offered by BotFactory, Inc.," he adds

"I have a vision for the electronics industry of the country, of bringing this untapped advanced technology to and helping reshape the electronics industry of the country in its entirety," he said.

 

[fire starter]

 

[shade]

They have made a TV Tuner chip.
This is a good company btw, I read an article in this magazine called electronics4u, in that they had made some kind of 4G base station device, that was selling very well to foreign clients.

 

[SavageKing456]

Self-Sufficiency in Manufacturing Semiconductors is Critical for India: Top IBM Official

Semiconductors are at the heart of everything and their necessity is growing at such a large pace that they are now almost as important as electricity. A

technosports.co.in

why not just partner with IBM?
make UP a semiconductor manufacturing giant as it has tons of water resources

 

[ezsasa]

Self-Sufficiency in Manufacturing Semiconductors is Critical for India: Top IBM Official

Semiconductors are at the heart of everything and their necessity is growing at such a large pace that they are now almost as important as electricity. A

technosports.co.in

why not just partner with IBM?
make UP a semiconductor manufacturing giant as it has tons of water resources

chip manufacturing partnership is strategic in nature, at this point in time US wants to retain and expand chip manufacturing self sufficiency. Biden has even announced a plan to this effect last month.

India has no choice but to develop own chips & related tech. We won’t be getting any real help from outside on this until the new Cold War 2.0 is settled.

 

[SKC]

Self-Sufficiency in Manufacturing Semiconductors is Critical for India: Top IBM Official

Semiconductors are at the heart of everything and their necessity is growing at such a large pace that they are now almost as important as electricity. A

technosports.co.in

why not just partner with IBM?
make UP a semiconductor manufacturing giant as it has tons of water resources

All IBM processor nodes are practically dead. They had sold their foundries to GlobalFoundries.
They just do research work and make records in First company to make 7nm, 5 nm, 3 nm and now 2nm in the world. However their nodes no company uses or licenses.
ARM, Apple, Amazon and Google are all using their own processor designs these days.

Better get some Indian company tie up with ARM and to make processor on their latest nodes/architecture.