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Ya'll Nibbiar the Snadarsee family is sitting the Nigeria while there Oil Business is booming and they are negotiating the 60 percent NPA's reduction and the banks are happy with that and even accepted the part payment even when the case in under the litigation's. And they playing the Muslim card are being hunted by the Hindu Fascist.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars only idiots will believe that the NCLT, IBC is being ramped up with more stringent rules and regulation and better enforcement.
What is the state of NSEL scam? Any relief to investors?


Jignesh Shah roams free. His sidekick attained God like status in a recent web series and did another hit on Adani riding the same wave.

The corrupt seldom get punished and know how to work through the loopholes. Very rarely an example is made out of one. The rest just disappear.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars and tha videocon which has seen five bailouts since it operation's started. And this shows the decade of malnicent by the Banker's. Pollution corruption what ever it's was relative it want to put the high time that the some banker's were investigated both the going into the dealings because you can't just let them go and also The GOI want to change the IBC and the NCLT rules but can't even allerge from one experiment to the another or tinker with the IBC and the NCLT. And need to look at what is worked.
 

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What is the state of NSEL scam? Any relief to investors?


Jignesh Shah roams free. His sidekick attained God like status in a recent web series and did another hit on Adani riding the same wave.

The corrupt seldom get punished and know how to work through the loopholes. Very rarely an example is made out of one. The rest just disappear.
Ya'll Nibbiars the Big defaulters has been showcased and recovered some money but the rest are still at large need a strict IBC and NCLT stringent rules and implementing to hunt them down. And they are financial terrorists Hunt and shoot them down. And also recover the all amount through any means.
 
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Ya'll Nibbiars the NCLT under the chairmanship of the Udhay Kodak with expensive advisors and expert's has done a fairly good job of The 347 companies in the IL&FS's group has been reduced to the 167 and expected to drop further to the 100. This was done by the shutting or the selling the number's of the foreign and the Domestic subsidiarie's. Tie 60 percent ifvthe outstanding would be recovered. And out of the 1,00,000 crores 43,000 crores has been recovered and anywhere between 61,000 crore would be recovered. And last week recovered 1,925 crores from the Haryana government only if it can do the same with the Gujarat government. They are going to drag any one to recovere the money.
 
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Ya'll Nibbiars the DHFL one company unlike the IL&FS's 347 group Companie's. And yet the bankers are messing around and the monitoring comitte has been put up now. The a single entity has been now has the outstanding of the 87,000 crores and dubious recovery of just 36,000 crores has been made. And that's has been recovered from the small investor's and when the entire the piramal estimets of just 37,000 crores is just counterversial that's just sitting out of the litigation's. The bankers don't deserve that will get the bulk of the tax payers money.
 
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Ya'll Nibbiars hope the Tata, Birlas make a fine example out of the Siva Technology. But making him pay for his deeds. But is not optimistise.

And in the previous case got additional loans from the same banks. The SBI was against the deal but the IDBI Bank which has got ten of thousand's of crores of the bail out left that Brankcruptcy proceedings and made the matters even worse. That is just worse.
 
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ZF were my suppliers, when I was working with Ford, Dearborn, US. Recently they are slipping in many areas, like braking system, EPS, BCM, Infotainment, powertrain. Recently they had a big layoff during Covid over here in US. They have lost many deals to Continental, Nexteer, Aptiv, Mando, in recent years.
I went through the ordeal of seeing my users being fired day by day in 2020. Many of the users were not given any notice at all and were just asked to not come from next day!
ZF group overbought many companies and became low of cash reserves. Too many projects at single time and continuous 3 year decline in global cars sales hurt them a lot.
 

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I went through the ordeal of seeing my users being fired day by day in 2020. Many of the users were not given any notice at all and were just asked to not come from next day!
ZF group overbought many companies and became low of cash reserves. Too many projects at single time and continuous 3 year decline in global cars sales hurt them a lot.
Ya'll Nibbiars Tell More.

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The idea that anyone would pay anything for Air India is fanciful. From what I have read here, it has $3 billion assets, $7 billion debt and it was loss making before COVID-19 appeared, wasn't it? It looks to me like it is currently worth about $-4 billion on paper with every prospect of losses continuing.

Regarding the idea of GOI selling a 49% stake in the airline, what company in its right commercial mind would want to get involved when the company owner that oversaw such a financial disaster retained a majority stake?
Ya'll Nibbiars current plan different The total debt is around 63,300 crores. And sell the Main airline for 15,000 crores. The Air India express for 3,000 crores, The Air India Regional for 700 crores. And the Engeering division could easily fetch around 5,000 crores. The Ground service division will also fetch around 4,000 crores. The physically asset would be around 10,000 crores. The remaining 25,500 crores would be absorbed by the tax payer's. Getting the company rid at 60 percent value is still good when it's comes to the Brankcruptcy. But the NPA's would not be written off by the bank's but to be traneferred to the GOI. The tax payers will get the burden.
 
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Ya'll Nibbiars current plan different The total debt is around 63,000 crores. And sell the Main airline for 15,000 crores. The Air India express for 3,000 crores, The Air India for 700 crores. Qnd the Engeering diving could easily fecth around 5,000 crores. The Ground service division will also fetch around 4,000 crores. Tje physically asset would fetch around 10,000 crores. The remaining 25,500 crores would be absorbed by the tax payer's.
Nibba any big economic project in NCR?
 

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No wonder, high excise duty and cesses will continue for a long long time. Primarily to throw helicopter money at the markets and bad loans bailout.

This article links insolvency directly with unemployment! :crazy: Out of nowhere it expectedly brings Bangla and lectures India to focus on low end textiles (we don't have GSP status or the luxury of labour that costs peanuts :facepalm:) and to forget about high end manufacturing (conveniently ignoring diversification of Vietnam). It also wrongly assumes that single doses of covid vaccines do not work, not even partially.
This same chap was advising India to take covid vaccines from China! :truestory:
Sure, IBC has problems but do keep in mind that Andy and hitjobs are synonymous. :dude:
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars Piramal gets the DHFL for just 37,000 crores. 50,000 crores to duba.

 

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Ya'll Nibbiars some were saying that the Adani Ports will be the next DHFL, IL&FS's, Yes Bank or Videocon. Well not now but will only say this if adani goes in this sphere the firm will get on a risky area.

More than technical, sentiments are playing the main role in the recent fall of the price of ADANI PORTS. Stock in the last few trading sessions breached key moving averages (10,20,50 & 100 EMA) and heading towards the 200 Exponential moving average at 600-605. On Daily charts stock has formed “Double Top Pattern” which is a bearish price pattern and it is more significant when formed around all-time highs. The overall market is in the correction mode and there seem to be more cracks ahead for the June 21 series expiry. That happened two weeks back.

Some people just panicked at that time. But I am more concerned that their PE ratio may degrade in future.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars some were saying that the Adani Ports will be the next DHFL, IL&FS's, Yes Bank or Videocon. Well not now but will only say this if adani goes in this sphere the firm will get on a risky area.

More than technical, sentiments are playing the main role in the recent fall of the price of ADANI PORTS. Stock in the last few trading sessions breached key moving averages (10,20,50 & 100 EMA) and heading towards the 200 Exponential moving average at 600-605. On Daily charts stock has formed “Double Top Pattern” which is a bearish price pattern and it is more significant when formed around all-time highs. The overall market is in the correction mode and there seem to be more cracks ahead for the June 21 series expiry. That happened two weeks back.

Some people just panicked at that time. But I am more concerned that their PE ratio may degrade in future.
I think Adani Logistics will get this tender
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars some were saying that the Adani Ports will be the next DHFL, IL&FS's, Yes Bank or Videocon. Well not now but will only say this if adani goes in this sphere the firm will get on a risky area.

More than technical, sentiments are playing the main role in the recent fall of the price of ADANI PORTS. Stock in the last few trading sessions breached key moving averages (10,20,50 & 100 EMA) and heading towards the 200 Exponential moving average at 600-605. On Daily charts stock has formed “Double Top Pattern” which is a bearish price pattern and it is more significant when formed around all-time highs. The overall market is in the correction mode and there seem to be more cracks ahead for the June 21 series expiry. That happened two weeks back.

Some people just panicked at that time. But I am more concerned that their PE ratio may degrade in future.
Adani port is the main revenue generating company of the group. Unless Adani does Mallya and diverts revenues of Port into other group companies such as Greens, Cements etc the company has a bright future. But its balance sheet is filled with debt and shares are pledged. Its long term share price pattern isnt promising either. No movement for years and then sudden movement in a short time. Which point to operator activity. Coupled with dubious FII inflows it makes Adani an overall risky investment. Best is to wait for sometime till things get clear.
 

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Adani port is the main revenue generating company of the group. Unless Adani does Mallya and diverts revenues of Port into other group companies such as Greens, Cements etc the company has a bright future. But its balance sheet is filled with debt and shares are pledged. Its long term share price pattern isnt promising either. No movement for years and then sudden movement in a short time. Which point to operator activity. Coupled with dubious FII inflows it makes Adani an overall risky investment. Best is to wait for sometime till things get clear.
Ya'll Nibbiars I am more concerned about the bad debt's. The whole group is made on Hughes debt in order to grow. There are two options here either go the Shapoornji planning way of selling some assets to ease the debt burden or else make more profits to service them and grow. But the second option is risky. They need to raise more capital to offset this or else sell some assets which they have now. But need to make a decision be active not passive.
 
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