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You know, Nigeria has fastest growing population in world and will be only country which will surpass India and China in population in early upcoming century.
They don't have land and resources to sustain such huge pop.
It's crazy no one talks about it,they have a higher pop growth that Pakis with a base pop of 200 mil.they are one of the few countries where more people are falling into poverty than out of it.
shame on their "leaders", political class whatever.
100% all that oil money is being stashed in offshore accounts, with their children being settled in Anglosphere or EU countries.
AfriNibber issue of corruption is 10x worse than what we, the Chinese, SEAsians, Arabs or any other tribe in the world face.
Except the Rwanda leader of course, he has turned his small civil war wracked country into the "singapore of africa" last I heard.

Its in Europe's Interest to keep Africa down how else will they get cheap Diamonds to trade.
If there is blood in the water, (((sharks))) will come
 

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It's crazy no one talks about it,they have a higher pop growth that Pakis with a base pop of 200 mil.they are one of the few countries where more people are falling into poverty than out of it.
They aren't alone. Nigeria, Congo (DR), Pakistan, Tanzania and Ethiopia etc., a lot of countries will emerge with large populations by end of this century. There may be two or three countries with populations of over 50%-110% of India and China and African continent will have population equal to Asia. We just don't notice them as they are backwards technologically. But they are definitely future markets we are going to compete to get hold of. We might watch India investing in Pakiland (which will have a population of 50 crores) or instead investing in Nigeria (70 crores at that time) to neutralise the "rising Pakistan".

Asian pacific is turning like Europe with lot of great powers, rivalries and nationalist populations, eventually, Africa will turn into Asia.
Except the Rwanda leader of course, he has turned his small civil war wracked country into the "singapore of africa" last I heard.
Don't fall for propaganda. Rwanda is one of most poor countries in world, very very poor country even by African standards. One good city doesn't change these facts.

It has just managed a quite good growth in recent past but without any technological gains. Rwanda being Singapore is same as that of Bangladeshis calling themselves next Taiwan or Pakistanis calling themselves an Asian tiger in 1980s.
 

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Everything changa on this forum only for obvious reasons.
while on the ground economy is in tatters , with poverty all time high with extreme poverty probably doubled.


India's growing poverty and hunger nobody talks about.

Multiple estimates by multilateral institutions show the COVID-19 pandemic will hit India the hardest by sending 40 million people into extreme poverty, worsen hunger and income inequality, and yet the government seems oblivious with no data, no estimation or policy response


Multiple studies have been warning that the pandemic-induced economic crisis would have a cataclysmic impact on the poor globally and be particularly severe in India - home to the maximum number of poor - sending millions back into poverty.

Eight months into the lockdown, estimates are becoming more definitive, though, with a caveat that the situation could worsen if the pandemic becomes more severe as many countries (the US and several European nations) are witnessing a second wave, taking the number of daily virus cases to new heights.

40 million Indians estimated to slip into extreme poverty

Latest estimate from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) reports - World Economic Outlook: A Long and Difficult Ascent, October 2020 and Fiscal Monitor: Policies for the Recovery, October 2020- shows that 90 million people globally would slip into "extreme poverty"
(surviving on $1.9 a day) due to the pandemic. This is in line with the World Bank's June 2020 estimate ("Projected poverty impacts of COVID-19") which estimated 70-100 million to slip into extreme poverty.



India would account for 40 million of the 90 million the IMF says would turn extremely poor or 44.4% of all. The following graph from the IMF's Fiscal Monitor report shows that in India (extreme left), their number would rise from 80 million in 2018 to 120 million in 2020.



The report explains why (as have many others earlier): "The pandemic has had a disproportionate effect on low-income households in many countries because they are concentrated in the informal sectors, are more vulnerable to job losses, have lower financial savings, and have less access to healthcare."


The IMF report quotes recent studies in both developed and developing economies to say that the pandemic is impacting the economically more vulnerable, like younger workers and women the most. Those employed in small and medium enterprises or informally employed are more vulnerable to job loss. It also points out that the pandemic would "exacerbate pre-existing trends" in the context of income inequality.

Here is a graph providing a comparative picture of income inequality (measured by Gini coefficient) in both developed and developing economies. India figures next to China entering into the pandemic (second from left in the second chart "Emerging Market and Developing Economies")



India is a basket case when it comes to its workforce:

94% of its workers are informal with little legal protection and social security cover. Here is a graph from former Niti Aayog vice-chairman Arvind Panagariya's latest book "New India:

Reclaiming the Lost Glory" 2020 which shows 94.2%of its workers are employed in small firms (1-50 workers), 2.3% in medium (51-200 workers) and 5.3% in large firms (more than 200 workers).

In comparison, China's 12.3% of workers are employed with small, 31.1% in medium and 56.6% in large firms
. Large firms provide better protections to workers, a privilege enjoyed by very few in India (5.3%). India's recent labour reforms seek to weaken it further by stripping small firms (0-50 workers) completely off whatever legal protections they have had.



India is more vulnerable to hunger too

Earlier this month, the Global Hunger Index 2020 report ranked India at 94 (of 107 it mapped for the 2020 report), far below neighbouring Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Pakistan. This index is based on four component indicators:

(i) undernourishment (insufficient caloric intake)

(ii) child wasting (under 5 years)

(iii) child stunting (under 5 years) and

(iv) child mortality (under 5 years).

India's progress has been very tardy compared to its neighbours as the following graph shows. Its "child wasting" (low weight for age reflecting acute undernourishment) and "child stunting" (low weight for age reflecting chronic under-nutrition) is particularly poor.

The hunger index scores are measured on a scale of 0-100, where '0' represents zero hunger.


poor4505_021120125406.jpg


The Global Hunger Index 2020 reflects the pre-pandemic situation and comes with a warning: "In 2020, owing to the COVID-19 pandemic, the values of some of the GHI component indicators, and in turn the GHI scores, are likely to worsen, but any changes that occur in 2020 are not yet reflected in the data and scores in this year's report."

As for India, it says: "In India, like in many other countries, the pandemic is aggravating an already serious hunger situation."

That India has been slipping on hunger, poverty and income inequality indicators even before the pandemic hit is well-known
.

The Niti Aayog report of December 27, 2019 (SDG India - Index and Dashboard 2019-20) showed that of the 28 states and union territories it mapped, 22 saw poverty go up in 2019 compared to 2018 (no change in 4 and improvement in 2); 24 saw hunger go up (fell in 4) and 25 saw income inequality go up (fell in 3) during the same period.

The following graph maps the Niti Aayog's findings.


poor5505_021120125406.jpg


Government not bothered about rising poverty or hunger

Ironically, the government never acknowledged the Niti Aayog's report nor took corrective measures.

It had done the same for growing unemployment and slowing down of the economy before the pandemic.

After the pandemic hit, it never bothered to track job loss or loss of lives of migrant workers, millions of whom walked home for months - a phenomenon not witnessed anywhere else in the world - some perishing on the way.

Consequently, it did not do anything to protect jobs, unlike the OECD countries which saved 50 million jobs, or help survive loss of jobs and livelihoods of millions.

In a display of gross callousness, it told the Parliament during the September 2020 session that it has no data and therefore it can't even provide compensation for deaths of migrant workers.

The inept and callous handling of the pandemic and the untimely and unplanned lockdown has jolted India like no other country
. Its GDP growth for the April-June 2020 quarter tanked to minus 23.9% - the highest among major economies. The RBI estimates the GDP growth for the entire fiscal to be minus 9.5%, as against the IMF's estimate of minus 10.3%, while its global average is estimated to be minus 4%.

With such a poor track record in handling the economy and the pandemic and the consequent human tragedies which go unacknowledged, un-remedied poverty, hunger and income inequality will progressively get worse.

https://m.businesstoday.in/lite/sto...-due-to-covid19-pandemic-effect/1/420575.html
 

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Reserve Bank of India reaches 1 million Twitter followers; first central bank globally to hit milestone

What an achievement lol. will this help economy somehow though ?
 

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Everything changa on this forum only for obvious reasons.
while on the ground economy is in tatters , with poverty all time high with extreme poverty probably doubled.


India's growing poverty and hunger nobody talks about.

Multiple estimates by multilateral institutions show the COVID-19 pandemic will hit India the hardest by sending 40 million people into extreme poverty, worsen hunger and income inequality, and yet the government seems oblivious with no data, no estimation or policy response


Multiple studies have been warning that the pandemic-induced economic crisis would have a cataclysmic impact on the poor globally and be particularly severe in India - home to the maximum number of poor - sending millions back into poverty.

Eight months into the lockdown, estimates are becoming more definitive, though, with a caveat that the situation could worsen if the pandemic becomes more severe as many countries (the US and several European nations) are witnessing a second wave, taking the number of daily virus cases to new heights.

40 million Indians estimated to slip into extreme poverty

Latest estimate from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) reports - World Economic Outlook: A Long and Difficult Ascent, October 2020 and Fiscal Monitor: Policies for the Recovery, October 2020- shows that 90 million people globally would slip into "extreme poverty" (surviving on $1.9 a day) due to the pandemic. This is in line with the World Bank's June 2020 estimate ("Projected poverty impacts of COVID-19") which estimated 70-100 million to slip into extreme poverty.



India would account for 40 million of the 90 million the IMF says would turn extremely poor or 44.4% of all. The following graph from the IMF's Fiscal Monitor report shows that in India (extreme left), their number would rise from 80 million in 2018 to 120 million in 2020.



The report explains why (as have many others earlier): "The pandemic has had a disproportionate effect on low-income households in many countries because they are concentrated in the informal sectors, are more vulnerable to job losses, have lower financial savings, and have less access to healthcare."

The IMF report quotes recent studies in both developed and developing economies to say that the pandemic is impacting the economically more vulnerable, like younger workers and women the most. Those employed in small and medium enterprises or informally employed are more vulnerable to job loss. It also points out that the pandemic would "exacerbate pre-existing trends" in the context of income inequality.

Here is a graph providing a comparative picture of income inequality (measured by Gini coefficient) in both developed and developing economies. India figures next to China entering into the pandemic (second from left in the second chart "Emerging Market and Developing Economies")



India is a basket case when it comes to its workforce:

94% of its workers are informal with little legal protection and social security cover. Here is a graph from former Niti Aayog vice-chairman Arvind Panagariya's latest book "New India:

Reclaiming the Lost Glory" 2020 which shows 94.2%of its workers are employed in small firms (1-50 workers), 2.3% in medium (51-200 workers) and 5.3% in large firms (more than 200 workers).

In comparison, China's 12.3% of workers are employed with small, 31.1% in medium and 56.6% in large firms. Large firms provide better protections to workers, a privilege enjoyed by very few in India (5.3%). India's recent labour reforms seek to weaken it further by stripping small firms (0-50 workers) completely off whatever legal protections they have had.



India is more vulnerable to hunger too

Earlier this month, the Global Hunger Index 2020 report ranked India at 94 (of 107 it mapped for the 2020 report), far below neighbouring Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Pakistan. This index is based on four component indicators:

(i) undernourishment (insufficient caloric intake)

(ii) child wasting (under 5 years)

(iii) child stunting (under 5 years) and

(iv) child mortality (under 5 years).

India's progress has been very tardy compared to its neighbours as the following graph shows. Its "child wasting" (low weight for age reflecting acute undernourishment) and "child stunting" (low weight for age reflecting chronic under-nutrition) is particularly poor.

The hunger index scores are measured on a scale of 0-100, where '0' represents zero hunger.


View attachment 67460

The Global Hunger Index 2020 reflects the pre-pandemic situation and comes with a warning: "In 2020, owing to the COVID-19 pandemic, the values of some of the GHI component indicators, and in turn the GHI scores, are likely to worsen, but any changes that occur in 2020 are not yet reflected in the data and scores in this year's report."

As for India, it says: "In India, like in many other countries, the pandemic is aggravating an already serious hunger situation."

That India has been slipping on hunger, poverty and income inequality indicators even before the pandemic hit is well-known
.

The Niti Aayog report of December 27, 2019 (SDG India - Index and Dashboard 2019-20) showed that of the 28 states and union territories it mapped, 22 saw poverty go up in 2019 compared to 2018 (no change in 4 and improvement in 2); 24 saw hunger go up (fell in 4) and 25 saw income inequality go up (fell in 3) during the same period.

The following graph maps the Niti Aayog's findings.

View attachment 67459

Government not bothered about rising poverty or hunger

Ironically, the government never acknowledged the Niti Aayog's report nor took corrective measures.

It had done the same for growing unemployment and slowing down of the economy before the pandemic.

After the pandemic hit, it never bothered to track job loss or loss of lives of migrant workers, millions of whom walked home for months - a phenomenon not witnessed anywhere else in the world - some perishing on the way.

Consequently, it did not do anything to protect jobs, unlike the OECD countries which saved 50 million jobs, or help survive loss of jobs and livelihoods of millions.

In a display of gross callousness, it told the Parliament during the September 2020 session that it has no data and therefore it can't even provide compensation for deaths of migrant workers.

The inept and callous handling of the pandemic and the untimely and unplanned lockdown has jolted India like no other country
. Its GDP growth for the April-June 2020 quarter tanked to minus 23.9% - the highest among major economies. The RBI estimates the GDP growth for the entire fiscal to be minus 9.5%, as against the IMF's estimate of minus 10.3%, while its global average is estimated to be minus 4%.

With such a poor track record in handling the economy and the pandemic and the consequent human tragedies which go unacknowledged, un-remedied poverty, hunger and income inequality will progressively get worse.

https://m.businesstoday.in/lite/sto...-due-to-covid19-pandemic-effect/1/420575.html
I like how you found a article which perfectly suits your personality i.e Cherry picking things.
You are saying that Govt didn’t bother to track job loss or lives of migrants when the reality is that it’s state governments job to keep track of it.
 

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They aren't alone. Nigeria, Congo (DR), Pakistan, Tanzania and Ethiopia etc., a lot of countries will emerge with large populations by end of this century. There may be two or three countries with populations of over 50%-110% of India and China and African continent will have population equal to Asia. We just don't notice them as they are backwards technologically. But they are definitely future markets we are going to compete to get hold of. We might watch India investing in Pakiland (which will have a population of 50 crores) or instead investing in Nigeria (70 crores at that time) to neutralise the "rising Pakistan".

Asian pacific is turning like Europe with lot of great powers, rivalries and nationalist populations, eventually, Africa will turn into Asia.

Don't fall for propaganda. Rwanda is one of most poor countries in world, very very poor country even by African standards. One good city doesn't change these facts.

It has just managed a quite good growth in recent past but without any technological gains. Rwanda being Singapore is same as that of Bangladeshis calling themselves next Taiwan or Pakistanis calling themselves an Asian tiger in 1980s.
So europe leads the way , lol .
Just a funny thought don't take seriously .
 

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poverty all time high
No one refutes that poverty increased a bit during pandemic. But all time? It is not even upto 2018 levels which was near 8-10%.

As for rest of part, malnutrition and child wasting has been a persistent problem in India for way longer and has little to do with pandemic. It will stay so at least for a decade more.

As consumption already jumped back after slump in a quarter which was under lockdown for months, your post about "economy being in tatters" is misguiding, and not even useful and relevant in any case. It was bullshit precisely.
 

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No one refutes that poverty increased a bit during pandemic. But all time? It is not even upto 2018 levels which was near 8-10%.

As for rest of part, malnutrition and child wasting has been a persistent problem in India for way longer and has little to do with pandemic. It will stay so at least for a decade more.

As consumption already jumped back after slump in a quarter which was under lockdown for months, your post about "economy being in tatters" is misguiding, and not even useful and relevant in any case. It was bullshit precisely.
Wrong...it's all time high and highest in the world and no my post is not misguided about economy, it is the truth. I can post more and more actual real data like the post above from this govt own report busting the myth about economy , so called consumption bounce back , but it won't matter since discussion in this forum is mostly about whataboutery not ground realities.
 

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Wrong...it's all time high and highest in the world and no my post is not misguided about economy, it is the truth. I can post more and more actual real data like the post above from this govt own report busting the myth about economy , so called consumption bounce back , but it won't matter since discussion in this forum is mostly about whataboutery not ground realities.
I didn't ask for your empty rant of "harsh realities". If you can't offer stats or even a decent elaboration, you at best are to be ignored.

Statistics are more of a substantance than whatabouttery. Poverty is measured in a criteria, so are other indicators, saying anything out of hot air is a characteristic of uneducated juveniles, be it positive or negative.
 

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Wrong...it's all time high and highest in the world and no my post is not misguided about economy, it is the truth. I can post more and more actual real data like the post above from this govt own report busting the myth about economy , so called consumption bounce back , but it won't matter since discussion in this forum is mostly about whataboutery not ground realities.
even my maid got 70000 one time payment in her bank account, given by state govt.
 

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