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That's the problem with middle class... they want india's soft power to work for them but that have not happened. Middle class is ambitious for sure.. They were sick of corruption , Bad infra and lawlessness. while saying corruption have reduced would not be correct but atleast Infra have improved a bit. Lawlessness too have reduced in my opinion .. although it is not as expected but still its better to have some thing than nothing.... his personnel charisma have not converted into benefits for middle class... US and Major european market continue to hoodwink and impose resrcitions .. for eg, H1B's..

OTOH, Modi have faired poorly on economic and job creation front for sure or may be , the effect of his steps will be seen after 10 years., who knows... While he claims that RBI Steps will help middle man with reduced interest rates etc..they never get passed on to end user ... . his image of being industry pro have not helped middle man much but still his grip of those on ground is intact partly due to freeebies like Free cylinders and LED bulbs.. for sure he is good sales man and is reaping benefits off same...
This is of no use... rather may only create a false hope. I was arguing with some friends that a lot has changed in India. They were not ready to accept it even the slightest bit of my argument. If i now ponder, it looks like all this govt. has done for the salaried class in the last 6 years is increased taxes and a hope that things 'might' be better in future.
 

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This is of no use... rather may only create a false hope. I was arguing with some friends that a lot has changed in India. They were not ready to accept it even the slightest bit of my argument. If i now ponder, it looks like all this govt. has done for the salaried class in the last 6 years is increased taxes and a hope that things 'might' be better in future.
Ofcourse a lot has changed in india in last 6 years, list is a big one.
 

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Ofcourse a lot has changed in india in last 6 years, list is a big one.
Let us list what have change for a normal joe out there to make ends meet... Let us leave poor and rich aside.. let us talk about middle class...
 

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Ofcourse a lot has changed in india in last 6 years, list is a big one.
I would love to know the positive changes, particularly those for the salaried class.
Even people like Raghuram Rajan and Arvind Subramaniam are saying that the economy is in a deep mess.
 

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Let us list what have change for a normal joe out there to make ends meet... Let us leave poor and rich aside.. let us talk about middle class...
1) JAM Trinity, Govt just distributed 1.7 lakh crore benefits during the lock down, which is impossible earlier.
2) Utilities likes railways, railway stations today are a far cry from how they used to look pre-2014.
3) e-mandi for farmer agri goods.
4) Cold storage chains for farmers
5) 100% rural sanitation
6) last more road network to villages, 3 lakh km roads built in last 5 years alone out of 7.1 lakh km total rural roads.
7) small loans without collateral thru mudra. 100 billion $ worth small loans disbursed so far in 150 million loans.

these are just from top of my head...
 

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1) JAM Trinity, Govt just distributed 1.7 lakh crore benefits during the lock down, which is impossible earlier.
2) Utilities likes railways, railway stations today are a far cry from how they used to look pre-2014.
3) e-mandi for farmer agri goods.
4) Cold storage chains for farmers
5) 100% rural sanitation
6) last more road network to villages, 3 lakh km roads built in last 5 years alone out of 7.1 lakh km total rural roads.
7) small loans without collateral thru mudra. 100 billion $ worth small loans disbursed so far in 150 million loans.

these are just from top of my head...
none of this matters to a salaried person. you are quoting out of Context...

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1) - SO freeloaders continue to thrive. Not sure who benefitted out of it... Only thing which he did for middle classs was loan moratarium which also turned out to be a exercise in stupidity by banks..

2 ) Railways.. they have improved by just 10 % but so have the fares exponentially .. when ever i travel cockroaches and Mouses are constant companions......try travelling in general ticket to know the real improvement..

3 /4/ - Emandi et all is useless when farmer have no access to internet .. It just promotes the middle man.. farmers need to be given direct market access if u want them to improve... they have done nothing to remove that middle man....earlier addti's used to buy in mandi's now they have one more platform to loot.....

cold storage.. who can afford them.. Where they are implemented..eveyday thousands are uplaoding videos on twitter asking their product to be bought...my own fields.. i have ripe harvest.. i cannot do much other than prey that lockdown lifts so that i could move the goods...

sanitation ...perhaps i may agree ...

Point no 7 - Have u ever tried to avail these... these get offered to those who are well settled in bussiness. talking from personnel experience, my younger bro applied for one and was asked to show returns for past 3 years and surety .. why would some body needs a loan if he is well settled in bussiness...

I have already said that he have made good progress in infra space.. that too partly because he had a performing minister like Gadkari... barring 3-4 ministers.... all are useless
 

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Even people like Raghuram Rajan and Arvind Subramaniam are saying that the economy is in a deep mess.
I don't want to sound vague but I can't list up those tonnes of events in one post. You can go through this thread.

People like Raghuram Rajan & Subramanian Swamy aren't guys to be taken seriously. Both don't have even an iota of sense of economics and after getting their models thrashed country over & over, they never learn.
Raghuram has been in deep family links with Indian National Congress, advocated Islamic banking and even made Indian economy a dummy to experiment for western models, sole responsible person for India's NPA crisis, single biggest reason of Indian slowdown besides global ones and was thrown out of RBI by BJP for a reason.
His speeches are mostly political, even about 370, triple talak, and CAA with little content of economics. You would be aware of it if you listen to his speeches.

Funny is that Raghuram Rajan was always a controversial figure with tonnes of critics. And as soon as he was purged, leftists started to project him as hero (they oppose BJP in any case), some fanboys started worshiping him as a clean person and a victim of government!

And Swamy? He's an open communist and well known asset of China in India. He has a long history of incidents which always held BJP back from keeping him in any position in government. Swamy is BJP's Indira Gandhi in economics.
 

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none of this matters to a salaried person. you are quoting out of Context...

Point no

1) - SO freeloaders continue to thrive. Not sure who benefitted out of it... Only thing which he did for middle classs was loan moratarium which also turned out to be a exercise in stupidity by banks..

2 ) Railways.. they have improved by just 10 % but so have the fares exponentially .. when ever i travel cockroaches and Mouses are constant companions......try travelling in general ticket to know the real improvement..

3 /4/ - Emandi et all is useless when farmer have no access to internet .. It just promoted the middle man.. cold storage.. who can afford them.. Where they are implemented.. sanitation ...perhaps i may agree ...

Point no 7 - Have u ever tried to avail these... these get offered to those who are well settled in bussiness. talking from personnel experience, my younger bro applied for one and was asked to show returns for past 3 years and surety .. why would some body needs a loan if he is well settled in bussiness...

I have already said that he have made good progress in infra space.. that too partly because he had a performing minister like Gadkari... barring 3-4 ministers.... all are useless
oops, i read the question differently.
 

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1) JAM Trinity, Govt just distributed 1.7 lakh crore benefits during the lock down, which is impossible earlier.
2) Utilities likes railways, railway stations today are a far cry from how they used to look pre-2014.
3) e-mandi for farmer agri goods.
4) Cold storage chains for farmers
5) 100% rural sanitation
6) last more road network to villages, 3 lakh km roads built in last 5 years alone out of 7.1 lakh km total rural roads.
7) small loans without collateral thru mudra. 100 billion $ worth small loans disbursed so far in 150 million loans.

these are just from top of my head...
none of this matters to a salaried person. you are quoting out of Context...

Point no

1) - SO freeloaders continue to thrive. Not sure who benefitted out of it... Only thing which he did for middle classs was loan moratarium which also turned out to be a exercise in stupidity by banks..

2 ) Railways.. they have improved by just 10 % but so have the fares exponentially .. when ever i travel cockroaches and Mouses are constant companions......try travelling in general ticket to know the real improvement..

3 /4/ - Emandi et all is useless when farmer have no access to internet .. It just promotes the middle man.. farmers need to be given direct market access if u want them to improve... they have done nothing to remove that middle man....earlier addti's used to buy in mandi's now they have one more platform to loot.....

cold storage.. who can afford them.. Where they are implemented..eveyday thousands are uplaoding videos on twitter asking their product to be bought...my own fields.. i have ripe harvest.. i cannot do much other than prey that lockdown lifts so that i could move the goods...

sanitation ...perhaps i may agree ...

Point no 7 - Have u ever tried to avail these... these get offered to those who are well settled in bussiness. talking from personnel experience, my younger bro applied for one and was asked to show returns for past 3 years and surety .. why would some body needs a loan if he is well settled in bussiness...

I have already said that he have made good progress in infra space.. that too partly because he had a performing minister like Gadkari... barring 3-4 ministers.... all are useless
I agree on Railways and Roadways. Nitin Gadkari and Piyush Goyal are good. Rest of them, I am not sure how much it helped the salaried class.
 

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oops, i read the question differently.
LOL .. I might sound harsh here but i have been sending a BJP MLA or Modi since i started voting...25 years and counting... no one can defeat the local MP here.. But still we need to see thru a clear glass.. he have failed the salaried class and there is no denying of that based on facts...

Only saving grace is that IT depptt have issued me a certifcate being a "Silver" Class tax payer :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Still better than having nothing :hehe::hehe:
 

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I agree on Railways and Roadways. Nitin Gadkari and Piyush Goyal are good. Rest of them, I am not sure how much it helped the salaried class.
Add S jaishankar to that list......he badly need a good FM and let piyush concentrate on one place...
 

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I don't want to sound vague but I can't list up those tonnes of events in one post. You can go through this thread.

People like Raghuram Rajan & Subramanian Swamy aren't guys to be taken seriously. Both don't have even an iota of sense of economics and after getting their models thrashed country over & over, they never learn.
Raghuram has been in deep family links with Indian National Congress, advocated Islamic banking and even made Indian economy a dummy to experiment for western models, sole responsible person for India's NPA crisis, single biggest reason of Indian slowdown besides global ones and was thrown out of RBI by BJP for a reason.
His speeches are mostly political, even about 370, triple talak, and CAA with little content of economics. You would be aware of it if you listen to his speeches.

Funny is that Raghuram Rajan was always a controversial figure with tonnes of critics. And as soon as he was purged, leftists started to project him as hero (they oppose BJP in any case), some fanboys started worshiping him as a clean person and a victim of government!

And Swamy? He's an open communist and well known asset of China in India. He has a long history of incidents which always held BJP back from keeping him in any position in government. Swamy is BJP's Indira Gandhi in economics.
Well, I mentioned Arvind Subramaniam. Not Sub. Swamy. I understand this guy is unreliable, keeps changing stands and is too greedy to become FM.

Even if i buy your view of RR, what about Arvind Subramaniam? He was Chief Economic advisor in BJP rule for 4 years. Even he has same opinion.
 

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Well, I mentioned Arvind Subramaniam. Not Sub. Swamy. I understand this guy is unreliable, keeps changing stands and is too greedy to become FM.

Even if i buy your view of RR, what about Arvind Subramaniam? He was Chief Economic advisor in BJP rule for 4 years. Even he has same opinion.
A Subramanian for sure a notable person and needs to he taken seriously. He's the one who heads institution that plans India's economic security.

He is more specific and clear about his statements than vague declarations and the problem he hints out are rectifyable and will be undertaken by government.

The concerns by RR though are different, aren't clear.
 

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A Subramanian for sure a notable person and needs to he taken seriously. He's the one who heads institution that plans India's economic security.

He is more specific and clear about his statements than vague declarations and the problem he hints out are rectifyable and will be undertaken by government.

The concerns by RR though are different, aren't clear.
Well in that case considering the stats presented in the below video, is India really in such a bad state? This video was pre-COVID19. Now with the effect of the virus, if this video was even 50% true, i am worried about the future.

I do understand that this is NDTV video. Pranay presented it in a way as if India is on the verge of becoming another Venezuela :D
 

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Well in that case considering the stats presented in the below video, is India really in such a bad state? This video was pre-COVID19. Now with the effect of the virus, if this video was even 50% true, i am worried about the future.

I do understand that this is NDTV video. Pranay presented it in a way as if India is on the verge of becoming another Venezuela :D
Bringing in Aravind was a mistake, bringing in an American to head economic policy.

it’s a failed experiment, let’s move on.

it’s clear that such people don’t have loyalty towards the party after their term ended.
 

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Pranay presented it in a way as if India is on the verge of becoming another Venezuela :D
That's why I don't like to watch NDTV. Channel with a loaded agenda, clueless, masquerading to be educated. Moreover while facing loaded questions, there's almost nil possibility to give a genuine answer.

India's forex reserves and debt to GDP ratio and wealth is capable of fend off or at least humble crises like great depression, has highly active supply chains and purchasing class. Further, India is world's most complex economy outside East Asia and Western world. Low income level continues to improve efficiency of industries (and allied services because of that) which makes bulk of India's economic growth. It isn't a commodity based economy with an uncertain future.

For even moving towards a Venezuela like crisis, situation is supposed be preceded by high national debt and dues, internal instability, declining income levels & consumption and stagnation in generation of wealth which is nowhere in sight for India. Economic reforms made less than just 30 years ago have made India's forex alone far exceeding GDP of that time.
The definition of "economic crisis" in Indian context is too far and different from global context where countries like Canada whose GDP has growth 0.5% in 10 years are normal or growth exceeding 3% is considered good. For being like of Venezuela, for which you have to be a commodity based, socialist state, deliberate mismanagement in economy, foreign interventions and internal instability, a civil war like situation. Won't expect in a country like India that has sustained its system ever since adopted in 1950.
Republic of India is probably only large and diverse state after USA to sustain this idea for this long.

Pranay Roy btw seems to have moved away to throw shenanigans on economics after ISRO ruckus.
 
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Well in that case considering the stats presented in the below video, is India really in such a bad state? This video was pre-COVID19. Now with the effect of the virus, if this video was even 50% true, i am worried about the future.

I do understand that this is NDTV video. Pranay presented it in a way as if India is on the verge of becoming another Venezuela :D
this interview was done when aravind Subramanian was on his book promotion tour, learn to recognise narratives when you see one.
 

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That's why I don't like to watch NDTV. Channel with a loaded agenda, clueless, masquerading to be educated. Moreover while facing loaded questions, there's almost nil possibility to give a genuine answer.

India's forex reserves and debt to GDP ratio and wealth is capable of fend off or at least humble crises like great depression, has highly active supply chains and purchasing class. Further, India is world's most complex economy outside East Asia and Western world. Low income level continues to improve efficiency of industries (and allied services because of that) which makes bulk of India's economic growth. It isn't a commodity based economy with an uncertain future.

For even moving towards a Venezuela like crisis, situation is supposed be preceded by high national debt and dues, internal instability, declining income levels & consumption and stagnation in generation of wealth which is nowhere in sight for India. Economic reforms made less than just 30 years ago have made India's forex alone far exceeding GDP of that time.
The definition of "economic crisis" in Indian context is too far and different from global context where countries like Canada whose GDP has growth 0.5% in 10 years are normal or growth exceeding 3% is considered good. For being like of Venezuela, for which you have to be a commodity based, socialist state, deliberate mismanagement in economy, foreign interventions and internal instability, a civil war like situation. Won't expect in a country like India that has sustained its system ever since adopted in 1950.
Republic of India is probably only large and diverse state after USA to sustain this idea for this long.

Pranay Roy btw seems to have moved away to throw shenanigans on economics after ISRO ruckus.
Thank you sir... this partially answered my question.
I was reading somewhere that India has a huge consumption, which will not let the economy collapse. Also, India enjoys the highest remittance, with some $69B last year, which is also healthy.

Our IT industry is very strong. Mobile manufacturing has picked up and by 2025, I read that, 30% of the world's phone manufacturing will be Noida. I hope that a few more sectors boom this way.

Also, the investments in infra should help businesses. Like what the Golden Quadrilateral did.
 

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