Indian Economy: News and Discussion

[HitmanBlood]

It is not a question of ruling alone.

Don't electric cars have fewer moving components compared to standard fossil fuel driven cars?

I was not stressing on Tesla killing the rest. I was stressing on EV's disrupting the humble IC engine driven supply chain.

I have a very basic question.

I have a Nexon EV and a Nexon Diesel service center.

How many distinct spares for the Nexon EV and how many distinct spares for the Nexon Diesel?

With Tesla's GigaPress, there will be fewer welds, joints, other moving components. Of course, others will jump in and Tesla isn't the only one with deep pockets. Am just saying what will all this automation do to traditional automotive suppliers who were already hit hard with GST.

An EV doesn't have an engine but there is lot more stuff in a car that can be classified as moving parts. Also EV isn't just batteries and Motor wired together. There is lot of complex circuitry involved. If one capacitor goes bad in that circuitry (and they can go bad) it will have impact on car's functionality.

Also coming to welds and joints those are needed just the engine is replaced. That GigaPress thing is just an aluminium casting machine. (I have to give credit to Elon for innovative marketing terms) this machine only casts some parts of chassis. Also modern Car welding happens by robots not humans.

Robots like this

Lastly the question of suppliers. Tesla doesn't make glass or rubber or even the batteries or touch screens or AC units or breaks or onboard computers or seatbelts or leather on their seats or plastic of their dashboards or even the aluminium of their chassis. Tesla is just like a normal car company and they too need suppliers who specialise in their respective fields.

Giga this giga that are just marketing terms of Elon. There are more than 10,000 employees who work at Tesla's Fremont factory. So no, human labour isn't going anywhere.

 

[doreamon]

It is not a question of ruling alone.

Don't electric cars have fewer moving components compared to standard fossil fuel driven cars?

I was not stressing on Tesla killing the rest. I was stressing on EV's disrupting the humble IC engine driven supply chain.

I have a very basic question.

I have a Nexon EV and a Nexon Diesel service center.

How many distinct spares for the Nexon EV and how many distinct spares for the Nexon Diesel?

With Tesla's GigaPress, there will be fewer welds, joints, other moving components. Of course, others will jump in and Tesla isn't the only one with deep pockets. Am just saying what will all this automation do to traditional automotive suppliers who were already hit hard with GST.

Two wheeler market going to be dominated by electric vehicle in not so distant future but 4 wheeler ll still run on engines . At best ev ll take 20-25 percent of 4 wheeler as people buy 4 wheeler for different reason like going on long tours .. There ll be focus on hydrogen fuel economy .. I read some where there ll be a PLI for it ..

And if India grows at 8% we ll keep adding another generation of middle class thus more vehicles ...

 

[indus]

It is not a question of ruling alone.

Don't electric cars have fewer moving components compared to standard fossil fuel driven cars?

I was not stressing on Tesla killing the rest. I was stressing on EV's disrupting the humble IC engine driven supply chain.

I have a very basic question.

I have a Nexon EV and a Nexon Diesel service center.

How many distinct spares for the Nexon EV and how many distinct spares for the Nexon Diesel?

With Tesla's GigaPress, there will be fewer welds, joints, other moving components. Of course, others will jump in and Tesla isn't the only one with deep pockets. Am just saying what will all this automation do to traditional automotive suppliers who were already hit hard with GST.

Its evolution. Just like typewriter to Computer. The industry will not die, it will adapt. EVs still have wheels, rubber tyres, electrical wiring, interiors etc. The auto component manufacturers who make engine components will have to adapt into making motors. EVs have a synchronous motor without gearbox etc. So they do have less moving parts.
Secondly the demand of Lithium is going to skyrocket with the growth in EV. If members can throw some light on the world wide reserves of Li metal and its extraction costs, one can assume the cost reductions it can provide. I m sure Li is not as common as Iron or Copper. So ICE driven cars will remain in market for foreseeable future.

 

[Haldilal]

Two wheeler market going to be dominated by electric vehicle in not so distant future but 4 wheeler ll still run on engines . At best ev ll take 20-25 percent of 4 wheeler as people buy 4 wheeler for different reason like going on long tours .. There ll be focus on hydrogen fuel economy .. I read some where there ll be a PLI for it ..

And if India grows at 8% we ll keep adding another generation of middle class thus more vehicles ...

Ya'll Nibbiars hydrogen will become more cheaper than petrol but the Taxes on fuel will be transfered to the FCEV or even BEV. There nothing like cheaper fuel in India. Only a handful of the people run this country through their cash burden the rest don't pay direct taxes.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Two wheeler market going to be dominated by electric vehicle in not so distant future but 4 wheeler ll still run on engines . At best ev ll take 20-25 percent of 4 wheeler as people buy 4 wheeler for different reason like going on long tours .. There ll be focus on hydrogen fuel economy .. I read some where there ll be a PLI for it ..

And if India grows at 8% we ll keep adding another generation of middle class thus more vehicles ...

PLI for Hydrogen Electroysers is in the making.

 

[Haldilal]

PLI for Hydrogen Electroysers is in the making.

Ya'll Nibbiars alreday made and now will be implemented steadily.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Ya'll Nibbiars alreday made and now will be implemented steadily.

Will be bigger I guess, as Hydrogen is something which is potentially competing with the Natural Gas market of India.

 

[Haldilal]

Will be bigger I guess, as Hydrogen is something which is potentially competing with the Natural Gas market of India.

Ya'll Nibbiars FCEV has matured pretty past in the Last few years and has become as cheap as a BEV Vehicle what need is a Infrastructure. The Green Hydrogen is coming.

 

[FalconSlayers]

@Haldilal invest karu?

 

[FalconSlayers]

Ya'll Nibbiars FCEV has matured pretty past in the Last few years and has become as cheap as a BEV Vehicle what need is a Infrastructure. The Green Hydrogen is coming.

We already have a lot of infra already made like National Gas grid we just need storage and other trasportation infra, currently Hydrogen will be blended in Natural Gas before it’s used as a whole.

 

[Haldilal]

@Haldilal invest karu?

Ya'll Nibbiars kar par limit mein. And don't forget to constantly monitor the stock, don't be greedy and never faint hearted.

 

[Haldilal]

We already have a lot of infra already made like National Gas grid we just need storage and other trasportation infra, currently Hydrogen will be blended in Natural Gas before it’s used as a whole.

Ya'll Nibbiars the Green hydroelen will make the long distance travel better and also environmentally friendly. And I always thought The BEV is like a Communist state era idea.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Ya'll Nibbiars kar par limit mein. And don't forget to constantly monitor the stock, don't be greedy and never faint hearted.

PLI for wearables like fitness trackers and smartwatches is coming, heard for hearable audio devices as well like headphones, is it true? Because Indian companies import from East Asia and label it Indian.

 

[Haldilal]

PLI for wearables like fitness trackers and smartwatches is coming, heard for hearable audio devices as well like headphones, is it true? Because Indian companies import from East Asia and label it Indian.

Ya'll Nibbiars a Electronic cluster is alreday in making near pune. The JBL 2,000 crores invetsmebt was a start. And this is the pet project of the Gadkari which is kept far from the hands of the like of Penguin.

 

[Crazywithmath]

PLI in drone manufacturing could soon change the way businesses are conducted

Drones can be used not just for delivering essential medical supplies to key areas that are inaccessible by road but also agricultural produce can be directly supplied to nearby markets instead of letting them to rot.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

India may corner nearly half of global rice trade as exports soar to record

India could ship as much as 22 million tonnes of rice this year, or more than the combined exports of the next three largest exporters Thailand, Vietnam and Pakistan

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[FalconSlayers]

Ya'll Nibbiars a Electronic cluster is alreday in making near pune. The JBL 2,000 crores invetsmebt was a start. And this is the pet project of the Gadkari which is kept far from the hands of the like of Penguin.

PLI for Bicycles should also come, abviously a small amount but should. Kanglu exports are grouwing to Europe.

 

[FalconSlayers]

PLI in drone manufacturing could soon change the way businesses are conducted

Drones can be used not just for delivering essential medical supplies to key areas that are inaccessible by road but also agricultural produce can be directly supplied to nearby markets instead of letting them to rot.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

India may corner nearly half of global rice trade as exports soar to record

India could ship as much as 22 million tonnes of rice this year, or more than the combined exports of the next three largest exporters Thailand, Vietnam and Pakistan

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Agriculture is our golden goose we should modernisae farming.

 

[Crazywithmath]

Agriculture is our golden goose we should modernisae farming.

Angry kisan protest noises .........................

 

[Crazywithmath]

I had a short stint of three years with IISc, some private and Govt. partners from '09 - '012.

I know the 'shithousery' that you speak of and a lot more.

That Y md'chod and other jokers sat on proposals for two long years. It would cost nothing to just give the go ahead but no.

BC there would be review meetings on Fridays to discuss 'progress'. Pencho free ka tomato rice aur coffee milta tha.

Frustrated, we would head straight to Peco's from there and drown ourselves in beer.

Even grants are misused and accountability is non-existent. IISc does have some of the finest minds of India. There is one certain Princeton returnee professor of maths whose lectures literally give goosebumps. But for high end activities sadly, more needs to be done.

 

[Haldilal]

Agriculture is our golden goose we should modernisae farming.

Angry kisan protest noises .........................

Ya'll Nibbiars laal Salam.