Indian defence industry exports watch

[Chinmoy]

I was trying to draw your attention to the Chinese getting access to the Akash system and its computers and deciphering the coding done by us.

Now as we all know the missile itself does not have a brain. It only follows the commands and instructions given by the software. There are various sensors like accelerometers, gyroscopes, altimeter, IR sensors etc. The job of the main system computer is to take in all the readings from the various sensors and then choose a course of action. In a manned aircraft the pilot takes the decisions on what the aircraft should do by using the control surfaces on the plane. Using the human brain.

But in an unmanned missile the laws of flight are written down by the designers. The missile will do exactly as programmed by the designers. If the Chinese know how the Akash SAM will behave in various flight situations /conditions then they may know how to fool the missile.

Now consider if the Russians or the Chinese get their hands on the best American Aam the 120D missile. The Americans would have written down thousands or even millions of lines of coding to make the Aim120D what it is. Will it be impossible for the Chinese or Russians to decipher the code and then use that knowledge to devise counter measures for the Aim120D.

Countries strongly protect the algorithms used in their weapons.

Anyway let's see if we actually export the Akash and the Brahmos.

Don't go into Dyspnea. Going by your logic, we would never be able to push our sell. BTW do you know that China do have a watch station in Myanmar to keep a tab on all our tests? US has already done that in past with our missile tests.

So they already have the missile performance recorded long back. In future too they would get the performance envelope of our missiles.

Now while selling us missiles, do you think Russians don't know the risk of running it on American hands? While selling techs to Ukraine, don't you think Americans know about the risk of running it over Russians? Opening up a missile or the getting hand on its FCS system is not going to unravel the whole secret of the missile performance.
In lay man term, if you get access to the computer of a car, would you be able to decipher the whole performance envelope of the car? For example would you be able to decipher the minimum turning radius of the car? Would you be able to decipher the drift it would cause in case of an emergency braking? For that you would need to build an exact copy of the car. In case of a missile, you would need a a dozens of clone to unravel its performance envelope.

Even China has been unable to make exact copy of missiles it received from Russia. As far as Akash is concerned, as I already said, it is not some start of the art missile. China has already build missiles of its class and well aware of its performance. Its the RADAR performance which is of concern. But as I have said earlier again, the performance of RADAR would depend on the client. Just like what we did in S-400 deal. Russians while pitching in for S-400 can't go on and say that its degraded in performance then their one. So we too can't say or do the same. But yes, we could present an entirely different RADAR version based on the client request.

 

[Tridev123]

Don't go into Dyspnea. Going by your logic, we would never be able to push our sell. BTW do you know that China do have a watch station in Myanmar to keep a tab on all our tests? US has already done that in past with our missile tests.

So they already have the missile performance recorded long back. In future too they would get the performance envelope of our missiles.

Now while selling us missiles, do you think Russians don't know the risk of running it on American hands? While selling techs to Ukraine, don't you think Americans know about the risk of running it over Russians? Opening up a missile or the getting hand on its FCS system is not going to unravel the whole secret of the missile performance.
In lay man term, if you get access to the computer of a car, would you be able to decipher the whole performance envelope of the car? For example would you be able to decipher the minimum turning radius of the car? Would you be able to decipher the drift it would cause in case of an emergency braking? For that you would need to build an exact copy of the car. In case of a missile, you would need a a dozens of clone to unravel its performance envelope.

Even China has been unable to make exact copy of missiles it received from Russia. As far as Akash is concerned, as I already said, it is not some start of the art missile. China has already build missiles of its class and well aware of its performance. Its the RADAR performance which is of concern. But as I have said earlier again, the performance of RADAR would depend on the client. Just like what we did in S-400 deal. Russians while pitching in for S-400 can't go on and say that its degraded in performance then their one. So we too can't say or do the same. But yes, we could present an entirely different RADAR version based on the client request.

Dude, I am no Senator or Congressman vetoing a proposed sale of the Akash system. And I am sure that you are not the US President proposing the sale. (Pardon the use of American title holders).

Chill man. I have a right to hold a view. I need not be converted.

By all means sell the Akash whether degraded or not. Good day.
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[WolfPack86]

BRAHMOS, TEJAS, ARTILLERY GUNS, GRENADES & MORE — INDIA READY WITH DEFENCE EXPORT LIST
India has listed 85 kinds of equipment and 47 sub-systems for export to Indian Ocean & African countries to help increase defence base to $25 billion by 2025


New Delhi: India has come out with a list of 152 items that are available to friendly nations as part of its plan to expand its current $11 billion defence base to $25 billion by 2025, with a $5 billion export component.

The list, including 85 kinds of equipment and 47 sub-systems, has been curated to meet the needs of the countries in the Indian Ocean Region and Africa — some of the top items featured on it are the BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles, the Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), Pinaka multi-barrel rocket launchers, and the Combat Management System.

The list, which was released by the Department of Defence Production during the Aero India air show last week, does not mention Arjun tanks and Astra air-to-air missiles, which were included in a separate list put out by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

The list also includes products from private sector manufacturers that haven’t found an entry into the Indian armed forces.

Defence attaches posted in IOR and African countries were asked last year to prepare a set of requirements that could be met through Indian systems, and so far, the most interest has been the Light Combat Aircraft Tejas, helicopters and missile systems, according to defence sources.

Based on this interest, India can also look at different financing options, including extended Line of Credits, the sources said.

The defence attaches will promote Indian systems during interactions with their foreign counterparts, and also keep an eye out for possible tenders. This is besides the effort being put in by the Indian private sector.

Here are some of the major items available for export:

Land Systems

There are 30 land systems mentioned in the list. Chief among them are the Akash and BrahMos missiles and artillery guns.

India is offering the Akash Area Defence System for defending vulnerable areas/points against penetrating targets at low, medium and high altitude. The Akash missile has an effective range of 3-25 km, and can operate at altitude of 30 m to 18 km.

In the case of the BrahMos cruise missile, even as India works on extending its range, it is offering the 290 km-range missile for export. BrahMos is much sought after by countries like the Philippines and Vietnam.

Among artillery guns, the defence ministry has included the ATAGS and the in-service K-9 Vajra howitzer, apart from the 155mm/52 Calibre towed gun and Garuda 105 lightweight field gun — the latter two manufactured by private firm Bharat Forge.

The list also includes Ashok Leyland military vehicles, mine protected vehicles, combat helmets and vests manufactured by private firm MKU, multi-mode hand grenades and various kinds of ballistic protection.

Naval Systems

On the naval front, India has offered to export anti-submarine warfare corvettes made by the state-run Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers (GRSE), apart from various kinds of patrol and interceptor boats and Landing Craft Utility, which are used to transport troops and materiel from ship to shore and vice-versa.

Also on offer are lightweight and heavyweight torpedoes, beside naval 30 mm guns, rocket launchers, coastal surveillance systems and communication and combat management systems for ships.

Air Systems

While the TEJAS was already mentioned as being available for export, the DDP list adds the Light Combat Helicopter, which is yet to be ordered for the IAF and the Army. Both services are in the process of placing an order for 15 LCHs, but the numbers will eventually go up.

BrahMos, Tejas, Artillery Guns, Grenades & More — India Ready With Defence Export List

India has listed 85 kinds of equipment and 47 sub-systems for export to Indian Ocean & African countries to help increase defence base to $2...

www.indiandefensenews.in

 

[HariPrasad-1]

BRAHMOS, TEJAS, ARTILLERY GUNS, GRENADES & MORE — INDIA READY WITH DEFENCE EXPORT LIST
India has listed 85 kinds of equipment and 47 sub-systems for export to Indian Ocean & African countries to help increase defence base to $25 billion by 2025


New Delhi: India has come out with a list of 152 items that are available to friendly nations as part of its plan to expand its current $11 billion defence base to $25 billion by 2025, with a $5 billion export component.

The list, including 85 kinds of equipment and 47 sub-systems, has been curated to meet the needs of the countries in the Indian Ocean Region and Africa — some of the top items featured on it are the BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles, the Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), Pinaka multi-barrel rocket launchers, and the Combat Management System.

The list, which was released by the Department of Defence Production during the Aero India air show last week, does not mention Arjun tanks and Astra air-to-air missiles, which were included in a separate list put out by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

The list also includes products from private sector manufacturers that haven’t found an entry into the Indian armed forces.

Defence attaches posted in IOR and African countries were asked last year to prepare a set of requirements that could be met through Indian systems, and so far, the most interest has been the Light Combat Aircraft Tejas, helicopters and missile systems, according to defence sources.

Based on this interest, India can also look at different financing options, including extended Line of Credits, the sources said.

The defence attaches will promote Indian systems during interactions with their foreign counterparts, and also keep an eye out for possible tenders. This is besides the effort being put in by the Indian private sector.

Here are some of the major items available for export:

Land Systems

There are 30 land systems mentioned in the list. Chief among them are the Akash and BrahMos missiles and artillery guns.

India is offering the Akash Area Defence System for defending vulnerable areas/points against penetrating targets at low, medium and high altitude. The Akash missile has an effective range of 3-25 km, and can operate at altitude of 30 m to 18 km.

In the case of the BrahMos cruise missile, even as India works on extending its range, it is offering the 290 km-range missile for export. BrahMos is much sought after by countries like the Philippines and Vietnam.

Among artillery guns, the defence ministry has included the ATAGS and the in-service K-9 Vajra howitzer, apart from the 155mm/52 Calibre towed gun and Garuda 105 lightweight field gun — the latter two manufactured by private firm Bharat Forge.

The list also includes Ashok Leyland military vehicles, mine protected vehicles, combat helmets and vests manufactured by private firm MKU, multi-mode hand grenades and various kinds of ballistic protection.

Naval Systems

On the naval front, India has offered to export anti-submarine warfare corvettes made by the state-run Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers (GRSE), apart from various kinds of patrol and interceptor boats and Landing Craft Utility, which are used to transport troops and materiel from ship to shore and vice-versa.

Also on offer are lightweight and heavyweight torpedoes, beside naval 30 mm guns, rocket launchers, coastal surveillance systems and communication and combat management systems for ships.

Air Systems

While the TEJAS was already mentioned as being available for export, the DDP list adds the Light Combat Helicopter, which is yet to be ordered for the IAF and the Army. Both services are in the process of placing an order for 15 LCHs, but the numbers will eventually go up.

BrahMos, Tejas, Artillery Guns, Grenades & More — India Ready With Defence Export List

India has listed 85 kinds of equipment and 47 sub-systems for export to Indian Ocean & African countries to help increase defence base to $2...

www.indiandefensenews.in

This is great. We have developed many state of art things which we need to encash now. Like ISRO has made its commercial wing ANTARIX corporation, DRDO too should made a commercial wing and push export aggressively.

 

[Cruise missile]

 

[WarriorIndian]

MKU has also received orders from Brazil for their night vision devices.

 

[WarriorIndian]

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India, Maldives sign $50 million defense credit line agreement

Male, India on Sunday reiterated its commitment to the Maldives' security and signed a $50 million defense Line of Credit agreement with it to boost the maritime capabilities of the strategic island nation.

The USD 50 million credit line agreement for defense projects was signed between the Finance Ministry of Maldives and the Export Import Bank of India.

The signing of the agreement took place after External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar held talks with Maldivian Defence Minister Mariya Didi, Minister of Finance Ibrahim Ameer, Minister of Economic Development Fayyaz Ismail and Minister of National Planning, Housing and Infrastructure Mohamed Aslam.

Jaishnakar, who is here on a two-day visit, held a "cordial meeting" with the Defense Minister.

"Useful exchange on our defense cooperation. India will always be a reliable security partner for the Maldives," Jaishankar tweeted.

"Glad to sign with Defense Minister @MariyaDidi the UTF Harbour Project agreement. Will strengthen Maldivian Coast Guard capability and facilitate regional HADR (Humanitarian Assistance and Disaster Relief) efforts. Partners in development, partners in security," he said.

Didi said it was a great pleasure to welcome Jaishankar.

"From time immemorial Defense Cooperation has been a key element of the sisterly relationship that exists between India and the Maldives. The Coast Guard Harbour & Dockyard at SIFAVARU will mark another significant milestone," she tweeted.

Jaishankar also witnessed the signing of a project execution contract for the construction of roads in Addu, the second-largest urban area in the Maldives in terms of population.

"Underscores the importance of connectivity in our Maldives partnership," he tweeted.

 

[arkos]

EARLIER TODAY: Signing Ceremony of the Implementing Arrangement between the Department of National Defense, represented by Undersecretary Raymundo Elefante, and the Ministry of Defence of the Republic of India represented by India’s Ambassador to the Philippines Shambu S. Kumaran, concerning the procurement of defense material and equipment. Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana was present to witness the said signing ceremony.

BrahMos deal almost done. Most likely by next quarter.

 

[sorcerer]

Export of Defence Equipment


Posted On: 10 MAR 2021 3:02PM by PIB Delhi



The important defence equipment exported during last 05 years include Weapon Simulators, Tear Gas Launcher, Torpedo Loading Mechanism, Alarm Monitoring & Control, Night Vision Monocular & Binocular, Light Weight Torpedo & Fire Control Systems, Armoured Protection Vehicle, Weapons Locating Radar, HF Radio, Coastal Surveillance Radar etc.


Export leads/Interest for Indian Defence equipment from small components to major Defence platforms are being received from all over the world including Asian, European, North American, African, Latin American and SAARC countries. Presently Defence items from India are being exported to more than eighty four countries. Names of the countries cannot be divulged due to strategic reasons.


Many reforms/steps have been taken up to boost Defence exports in last 6 years. The reforms/steps taken up to promote defence exports are as follows:-

2. Special Chemicals, Organisms, Materials, Equipment and Technologies (SCOMET) Category 6 titled “Munitions List” that was hitherto “Reserved” has been populated and Military Stores list notified vide Notification No.115(RE-2013)/2009-2014 dated 13th March, 2015 stands rescinded.
4. The Director General of Foreign Trade (DGFT) vide Public Notice No. 4/2015-20 dated 24th April, 2017, notified Department of Defence Production(DDP) as the Licensing Authority for export items in Category 6 of SCOMET. The export of items specified in Category 6 (Munitions List) except those covered under Notes 2 & 3 of Commodity Identification Note (CIN) of the SCOMET is now governed by the Standard Operating Procedure issued by the Department of Defence Production (DDP), Ministry of Defence.
6. Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) for the export of munitions list items has been modified and placed on the website of the DDP.
8. A completely end-to-end online portal for receiving and processing export authorisation permission has been developed. The applications submitted on this portal are digitally signed and the authorisation are also issued digitally, at faster pace.
10. In repeat orders of same product to the same entity, consultation process has been done away with and permission is issued immediately. For the repeat order of same product to different entity, the consultation earlier done with all stakeholders is now limited only with MEA.
12. In Intra-Company business (which is especially relevant for outsourcing of work by defence related parent company abroad to its subsidiary in India), the earlier requirement of getting End User Certificate (EUC) from the Government of importing country has been done away with and ‘Buying’ Company is authorized to issue the EUC.
14. The legitimate export of the parts and components of small arms and body armour for civil use are now being permitted after prior consultation with MEA.
16. For export of items for exhibition purposes, the requirement of consultation with stakeholders has been done away with (except for select countries).
18. Powers have been delegated to DRDO, DGOF, and CMD’s of DPSUs for exploring export opportunities and participation in global tenders.
20. New End User Certificate Format for Parts & Components has been provided in SOP.
22. Validity of Export Authorization has been increased from 02 years to date of completion of order/component whichever is later.
24. A new provision for re-exporting parts and components for undertaking repair or rework to provide replacement for a component under warranty obligation is inserted in the SOP as a sub-classification of repeat orders.
26. MHA vide Notification dated 1.11.2018 has delegated its powers to this Department to issue export license under Arms Rules 2016 in Form X-A, for parts & components of small arms. With this the Department of Defence Production becomes the single point of contact for exporter for export of parts and components of Small Arms & Ammunitions.
28. The Government has notified the Open General Export License (OGEL) - a one time export license, which permits the industry to export specified items to specified destinations, enumerated in the OGEL, without seeking export authorisation during the validity of the OGEL.
30. Scheme for Promotion of Defence Exports has been notified to provide an opportunity to the prospective exporters an option to get their product certified by the Govt. and provides access to the testing infrastructure of Ministry of Defence for initial validation of the product and its subsequent field trials. The certificate can be produced by the prospective exporter for marketing their products suitably in the global market.
32. A separate Cell has been formed in the Department of Defence Production to co-ordinate and follow up on export related action including enquiries received from various countries and facilitate private sector and public sector companies for export promotion.
34. In order to boost defence exports, webinars are being organized with Friendly Foreign Countries (FFCs) under the aegis of DDP, MoD through Industry Associations with active participation from Indian Defence Industries.
36. A Scheme to provide financial support to Defence Attaches for taking up actions for promoting exports of Indian made defence products both of public and private sector in the countries to which they are attached has been notified.

This information was tabled in a written reply by Raksha Rajya Mantri Shri Shripad Naik to a question asked by Shri Kaushal Kishore and Shri P P Chaudhary in Lok Sabha today.

 

[ladder]

Although not an defence export, but GRSE will design and build an ocean going passenger/ cargo vessel/ ferry for Guyana.

Video for keel laying of the vessel.



PS. Mods can transfer post to appropriate thread if required.

 

[arkos]

Update: Philippines government has approved funding for the BrahMos deal.

 

[Varoon2]

I think this makes the sale official

‘Done deal’: Philippines allocates funds to buy India’s BrahMos missile system

The Philippines government recently allocated 2.8 billion pesos ($55.5 million) for initial funding for the BrahMos cruise missile

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[arkos]

The recent release of 2 SAROs for the 15% initial payment for the Philippine Navy's Shore Based Anti-Ship Missile System (SBASMS) Acquisition Project only means a Notice of Award in favor of the winning supplier, which is BrahMos Aerospace of India, is expected to released soon.

Also, MaxDefense Philippines received confirmation that another SARO release is expected for the 15% initial funding for the Philippine Army's Land Based Missile System (LBMS) Acquisition Project, which is also expected to be supplied by BrahMos Aerospace.

It would be remembered that the Philippine Army already activated its 1st Land Based Missile System Battery back in September 2019 in preparation of the delivery of the Land Based Missile Systems by around 2024.

 

[Abhijeet Dey]

Akash air defence missile in service with Sudanese army

Did India export Akash air defence system to Sudan?

 

[jai jaganath]

Did India export Akash air defence system to Sudan?

Many forum members are also confused
Let's see

 

[Chinmoy]

Did India export Akash air defence system to Sudan?

Off the shelf offer. Not in service till now.

 

[Tshering22]

Off the shelf offer. Not in service till now.

Not in service. It's on offer to Sudan, much like Tejas LIFT for the Egyptians. Africa definitely need something to save them from freedom and democracy; what's better than highly-portable SAMs and ATGMs (as an evidence in Ukraine).

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

This thread needs to be updated regularly:-

India to export Pinaka rocket launchers, ammunition to Armenia in $250m deal: Report

India has reportedly signed a $250 million deal to export arms and ammunition to Armenia, which is currently engaged in a tense stand-off with its neighbour Azerbaijan. According to the Economic Times newspaper, India will be sending indigenously developed multi-barrel Pinaka launchers...

www.wionews.com

India total weapons export 2020: $150 Million

This year:-
$375 Million BrahMos to Phillipenes
$250 Million Pinaka, ATGM, etc to Armenia

And the best part, the deals above are genuine sales. Not some country buying our arms under GoI's Line of Credit.

 

[jai jaganath]

This thread needs to be updated regularly:-

India to export Pinaka rocket launchers, ammunition to Armenia in $250m deal: Report

India has reportedly signed a $250 million deal to export arms and ammunition to Armenia, which is currently engaged in a tense stand-off with its neighbour Azerbaijan. According to the Economic Times newspaper, India will be sending indigenously developed multi-barrel Pinaka launchers...

www.wionews.com

India total weapons export 2020: $150 Million

This year:-
$375 Million BrahMos to Phillipenes
$250 Million Pinaka, ATGM, etc to Armenia

And the best part, the deals above are genuine sales. Not some country buying our arms under GoI's Line of Credit.

I know quantity is not specified but can we guess the nos of pinaka by price of our orders but again not specified the amt paid for pinaka

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

I know quantity is not specified but can we guess the nos of pinaka by price of our orders but again not specified the amt paid for pinaka

I won't venture a guess especially because what other things they have bought from us isn't clear. Best to wait some more time. If no other news comes out, eventually a SIPRI report might detail what exactly they bought.