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The time taken to plant that IED must he high. It also requires at least 2-3 men and a vehicle. How come these guys get the luxury of this time and effort... Without being sighted!
they are not digging these ditches at the middle of the metro city,

and these are remote routes and there must be no traffic on these routes because anyone gonna avoid these routes obviously because of naxal activities,
but security forces got to do patrolling through these areas,

these are jungle areas,remote areas and naxal areas so even near by villagers not gonna dare to take a stroll after sunset through these routes if they do not want their throat sliced.
 

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Its pleasure to see, Armored vehicles and Motars openly used for saving lives ..
 

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Indian Army use two kind of MPVs, Majority are Medak MPV which are custom design for Indian Armed forces ..

Other is Casspir MPV which were imported in absence of Indigenous MPV back in days ..

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Medak MPV :

Mine Blast : 14 Kg TNT under tyres, 10 Kg TNT under hull, 10 Kg IED on side walls
Small Arms : 7.62 X51mm firing from 10 Mts distance on all sides of the vehicle
Seats : 10 + 2

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Casspir-2 MPV

Mine Blast : 18 Kg TNT under tyres, 14kg of TNT under hull
Small Arms : 7.62 X51mm firing from 10 Mts distance on all sides of the vehicle
Seats : 10 + 2
Both are grossly outdated in this current day and age.
 

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Both are grossly outdated in this current day and age.
There's not much to upgrade, structurally speaking, is there? Whichever latest mine protected vehicles exist today with the western armies rely on electronic methods to detect and trigger blasts, but the perceived benefits of upgrading these vehicles aren't flattering enough to justify the cost-benefit analysis, especially if you consider the scale of procurement given the size of our fleet.

The Yankees upgraded from Humvees to bigger vehicles, but the problem still persists :



Are you recommending something like this?

 

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Right now, We need numbers more than technology ..

Their are options available in country but first priority is providing basis necessity to all ..

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CAG questions army's purchase of Rakshak vehicles


The new Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) report on the army's purchase of bulletproof vehicles illustrates many of the pitfalls that plague defence procurement. CAG Report No CA 4 of 2008 (Defence Services), which was tabled in parliament on Thursday, examines the MoD's Rs 35.76 crore purchase of 200 Rakshak vehicles in 2005, and 9 armoured Scorpios in 2007, which protect military commanders while they drive around J&K.

The report concludes that both purchases were unnecessarily hurried, saddling the army with underpowered Rakshaks, which perform so sluggishly that they endanger the lives of the soldiers that they are meant to safeguard.

The report observes, "Audit examination disclosed that in both the cases, the procurement process was non-competitive, technical trials were diluted by waiving requirements that compromised the quality of the vehicles."

With the CAG, the army, and MDS itself in agreement that the Rakshak vehicles are underpowered, the obvious question is: what procedures were violated? Business Standard is in possession of the MoD's Request for Proposals (RFP), in which it laid down the performance it wanted from the vehicle. Two years of army trials conclusively established that the Rakshak met those specifications.

Clearly, what failed was not the Rakshak. Instead, as the CAG report points out, the MoD's RFP itself was flawed, asking for a vehicle that would inevitably turn out to be underpowered, once bulletproof armour added to its weight. The RFP number 33(7)/2001-D(GS-IV), issued on 25th July 2001, stipulates that the vendors could not offer a new, more powerful vehicle. The vehicle had to be in service with the military.

The CEO of MDS, Brigadier Khutab Hai, is emphatic that the army was given exactly what it asked for, explaining, "During two years of trials, the Rakshak met every parameter spelt out in the MoD's RFP. If the MoD wanted higher specifications, or a more powerful vehicle, we could easily have provided that. But the RFP bound us to an in-service vehicle."


The RFP is a vital first step in any defence procurement, laying down what the vendors must provide. Thereafter, the winner of the contract is not the best product on offer; according to the current "L-1 tender" system, the cheapest product that meets the GSQR must be bought for the military. In a hypothetical contest between a Maruti priced at 2 lakh rupees and a Mercedes priced at 2.5 lakhs, the Maruti must be bought if it has met the RFP in trials.

Even the army has tacitly acknowledged that the Rakshak RFP was flawed. For the next round of purchases of bulletproof vehicles, the army's Weapons and Equipment Directorate has written to the vendors asking for an upgraded vehicle, with more power, a smoother suspension and a better steering. When asked why it had complained about the 200 Rakshaks already bought, the army told the CAG that they were only "suggestions from users to improve efficiency".

Confused and unclear RFPs have elicited complaints from several vendors. In last year's performance audit on defence procurement, the CAG pointed out that RFPs often demand products that exist nowhere. The CAG highlighted many other cases where the MoD issues piece-meal RFPs, denying itself the economy of scale. An example is the on-going procurement of a family of over 8000 light vehicles. The MoD has issued an RFP for only 228 so far.


Vendors, both domestic and international, from the private and the public sectors, all complain that the MoD remains unequipped for defence procurement, its desks manned by officers who get posted out just as they begin to learn the ropes. A Group of Ministers (GoM) has recommended, in April 2000, creating a dedicated body for defence procurement. Last year the CAG reinforced that, recommending a specialist body of Acquisition Managers who could develop the expertise needed for smooth and judicious defence procurement.
Source : Broadsword: CAG questions army's purchase of Rakshak vehicles

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These are outdated according to our necessity, The MPV are replacing these and for gud and those MPV suits our tailor requirement as of now..

Both are grossly outdated in this current day and age.
 
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How about these Tata Mine Protected Vechiles i hope Indian Army procure these MPV it is 1 cr it is cheaper than western MPV not only Tata MPV but Mahindra MPV also cost 1 cr.
 
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Tata Mine Protected Vehicle:


The Mine Protected Vehicle has been developed to protect its occupants from threats like ambushes and sudden violent attacks, using powerful explosive mines. Designed to protect against gunfire with ballistic protection of NIJ Level III, it provides essential protection to Military and Paramilitary forces.


Vehicle specification of the Tata Mine Protected Vehicle:

Application
• Escort and Patrolling Operations in Mine prone Naxal-Infested areas

Mobility
• Cummins ISBe 245HP EURO III Water cooled Compression Ignition, Turbocharged, After-cooled Diesel engine
• Max Engine output: 242 Hp @ 2500rpm
• Max Torque: 925 Nm @ 1200-1700 rpm
• Power to weight Ratio: 16 Hp/ton
• Max Speed: 80 kmph
• Max Gradeability : 30 deg
• Min. turning circle diameter: 16 m
• Payload: 1400 kg
• Gross Vehicle Weight: 14300 kg
• Power Steering

Protection
• Ballistic Protection: NIJ level III protection against 7.62 SLR, ball ammunition and AK-47 fired from 10 m distance at 90 degree angle of attack
• Glass :NIJ level III
• Firing Ports: 10 firing ports, including one port at rear
• Blast Protection: Under Hull 14kg TNT, Under Wheel 21kg TNT

Crew Capacity
• Driver + 13 Configuration
• Driver & Co Driver seats front facing
• Rest all inwards facing side suspended seats
 

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V shaped hull divert Mine Blast away from vechile. May be these vechile will be good for Counter Terror Operations in Kashmir but not for naxals. Because naxals keep 50 to 100 kg of Ieds and Mine under the roads
 

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The TITUS (Tactical Infantry Transport and Utility System) mine resistant ambush protected vehicle was developed by Nexter. It was developed as a private venture and is mainly aimed at export customers. Development commenced in 2010. The TITUS was publicly revealed in 2013.

The TITUS combines features of both MRAP and armored personnel carrier. This low-cost vehicle is a great proposal for countries, that can not afford both dedicated APCs and MRAP vehicles. There are more similar vehicles of this unique class, such as the Serbian Lazar and South AfricanMbombe and RG-35. This vehicle is capable of troop and cargo transport, medical evacuation, combat support and counter-insurgency operations.

Vehicle has a welded steel hull. A baseline version provides all-round protection against 7.62-mm armor-piercing rounds. Up to 6 t of add-on patented SAFEPRO armor can be fitted for a higher level of protection. With add-on armor fitted the TITUS provides all-round protection from 14.5-mm rounds. Bar armor can be fitted for protection against RPG rounds, as well as optional PG Guard protection. The PG Guard is capable of withstanding 2-4 RPG rounds per square meter.
This French armored vehicle has a V-shaped hull for improved protection against mines and IED blasts. It withstands a blast equivalent to 10 kg of TNT anywhere under the hull. It is also claimed that with add-on SAFEPRO armor TITUS survives nearby explosions equivalent to 150 kg of TNT. Jammers and shot detectors can be fitted for counter-insurgency operations.

The first prototype is fitted with Nexter ARX20 remotely controlled module, armed with 20-mm cannon and coaxial 7.62-mm machine gun. Other remotely controlled weapon stations can be also fitted. Also there are two additional remotely controlled machine guns, mounted at the rear and controlled by the troops. These are proposed as an option.

The vehicle is fully integrated with modern navigation battlefield management systems.

This French MRAP has a crew of three including commander, driver and gunner. It carries 10 fully-equipped troops. Passengers enter and leave the vehicle via rear ramp. Also there are two side doors for driver and gunner. Also there are some roof hatches for observation and emergency exit.

The TITUS has modular design. It seems that the rear end of the vehicle is interchangeable. Cargo module or special equipment module can be fitted in place of the troop compartment.

Unusual chassis of the TITUS was developed by Tatra. Vehicle has a 6x4 configuration on roads which is switched to 6x6 while driving over rough terrain. with full-time all-wheel drive. Weight of the vehicle is evenly distributed due to the second axle, which is located directly in the middle between first and third axles. Such design is unusual for armored vehicles.

Baseline versions of the TITUS is powered by Cummins turbocharged diesel engine, developing 440 hp. A more powerful engine, developing 550 hp is proposed as an option. Engine is located at the front. It is mated to Allison automatic transmission. Front and rear wheels are steered. It is claimed that the TITUS has good cross-country mobility. Vehicle is fitted with a central tyre inflation system. A dozer blade can be fitted at the front.
 

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"Kanhaiya's Arundhati's Barkha's and Co" don't come in the category of 'we'. They are the very enemies we are fighting against, why expect support from them? Just because their skin happens to be brown doesn't mean they are Indian. They are agents of the church, who happen to carry Indian passports. Look at them in that context.
Here, we is in context of those so called intellectuals who starts marching behind people like these.
 

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V shaped hull divert Mine Blast away from vechile. May be these vechile will be good for Counter Terror Operations in Kashmir but not for naxals. Because naxals keep 50 to 100 kg of Ieds and Mine under the roads
How the heck are the Naxals able to get so much explosives and then use them in IEDs? Not even ISAF faced such a threat in AFGHANISTAN. Now the CRPF are moving their MPVs to Kashmir from the Naxal states because they don't use them in the Naxal fight anymore as they are so vulnerable. Once MRAPs became commonplace in Afghanistan, fatalities in such vehciles almost became unheard of so what the f*ck is so special about the Naxals??
 

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Naxals get local support, Naxals steal explosive laden trucks which used for mountain quarry. Imagine if Naxals stole whole truck loaded with explosives that is how Naxals plant more Ieds under the roads. With more explosives Naxals can not only destroy Mine Protected Vechiles but also Arjun tanks and t 90 tank. First we must track truck loaded explosive with tracking systems or install GPS. Then we must arrest people who are supporting naxals and spying for Naxals. Only way stop explosives getting in the hands of Naxals is to track mine quarry, dynamites that used to bring down rock quarry or construction building. Drones will be very usefull in Naxals operation
 
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Naxals get local support, Naxals steal explosive laden trucks which used for mountain quarry. Imagine if Naxals stole whole truck loaded with explosives that is how Naxals plant more Ieds under the roads. With more explosives Naxals can not only destroy Mine Protected Vechiles but also Arjun tanks and t 90 tank. First we must track truck loaded explosive with tracking systems or install GPS. Then we must arrest people who are supporting naxals and spying for Naxals. Only way stop explosives getting in the hands of Naxals is to track mine quarry, dynamites that used to bring down rock quarry or construction building. Drones will be very usefull in Naxals operation
The Taliban had local support too but the ISAF didn't pull out their MPVs/MRAPs from Afghanistan. The MPVs the CRPF have must also be lecking in performance as well as their anti-IED SOPs.

In Afghanistan, road opening parties consisted of engineers in specailist vehicles:

Meerkat anti-ied vehicile:

with a Husky Mounted Detection System to detect landmines and improvised explosive devices



The Buffolo has an arm that can be used to remotely check out suspcious activity from within the safety of the vehicle:





I can safely say the IA and CRPF have nothing like these technologies or SOPs. Instead the CRPF has taken the regressive step of starting to use motorbikes in lieu of MPVs as the MPVs are bigger targets. It's an admission of defeat really.
 

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@ abingdonboy, Vehicle exists, But not sure it is under us by CAPF ..



Same role as you suggest abt some foreign vehicle ..
This should be bought by CAPFs and IA to accomponly "road opening parties", all those jammers on top will negate the risk of remote triggered IEDs and the remotly operated arm will allow for inspection of suspcious activities without having to demount from the vehicle.

But it's based on the OFB MPV so still likely to offer degraded performance vis a vis more modern MPV/MRAP in withstanding IEDs.
 

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Regarding Army, Those OFB MPV suits the terrain and requirement and present danger, I think more modern and sophisticated MPVs might come handy for CAPF ..

But it's based on the OFB MPV so still likely to offer degraded performance vis a vis more modern MPV/MRAP in withstanding IEDs.
 

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Regarding Army, Those OFB MPV suits the terrain and requirement and present danger, I think more modern and sophisticated MPVs might come handy for CAPF ..
Indeed, there is not too much of a threat from IEDs in Kashmir, those engaged in the anti-Naxal fight DESPERATELY need such vehicles, improved MPVs and revised SOPs. That the CAPFs have resorted to using motorbikes in lieu of their outdated MPVs is a most depressing bit of news for a number of reasons.
 
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