Indian Army SIG Sauer 716 assault rifle.

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Has wire done any pieces any other indian weaponry like this ?
 

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INDIA TO INK 'REPEAT ORDER' DEAL FOR 73,000 SIG-716 RIFLES FROM THE US
New Delhi:
The defence ministry is in the final stages of approving a repeat order for 73,000 SiG-716 G2 patrol assault or battlefield rifles from the US to meet the requirements of its frontline troops.

Sources in the defence and security establishment said that notwithstanding reports of alleged cancellation of the proposed order of SiG-716, the ‘repeat order’ procurement of 73,000 rifles by defence ministry “is at the final stage of approval”.

In February 2019, 72,400 SiG-716 rifles — 66,400 for the army, 4,000 for the air force and 2,000 for the Navy — of 7.62 x 51mm calibre were contracted from SIG Sauer Inc, USA, under the government ‘Buy (Global) category’ through the fast track procedure (FTP).

The ‘Buy (Global)’ category refers to outright purchase of equipment from foreign vendors.

The consignment was delivered and distributed to the soldiers.

Contrary to initial plans to equip only frontline troops, the Army had then equipped over 400 infantry battalions with the SiG-716, as reported earlier. At least two companies (about 100 soldiers each) in all infantry battalions have been given the SiG-716 — irrespective of whether they are in the field or at peace stations.

The number of rifles distributed across the battalions differed, with some getting more than the others.

Defence sources said that considering the performance of the weapon, and to ensure operational necessity, commonality and associated logistics functionality, the defence ministry is now in the process of approving a repeat order of 73,000 SiG-716 assault rifles.

The fresh order is meant to meet the requirement of the remaining frontline troops, who did not receive these rifles the last time.

The reason for the selection of this particular weapon is because of a revision in the Indian Army’s operational philosophy in 2016, wherein the 7.62 x 51mm calibre was chosen over the 5.56 x 45mm calibre, as having the optimum calibre for operations, said sources.

They added that as a result, the SiG-716 Assault Rifle, being of higher calibre (7.62 x 51mm) has longer effective range, more lethality and higher recoil, as compared to the INSAS Rifle (5.56 x 51mm Calibre) or the AK-47 Rifle (7.62 x 39mm), which are also used.
 

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INDIA TO INK 'REPEAT ORDER' DEAL FOR 73,000 SIG-716 RIFLES FROM THE US
New Delhi:
The defence ministry is in the final stages of approving a repeat order for 73,000 SiG-716 G2 patrol assault or battlefield rifles from the US to meet the requirements of its frontline troops.

Sources in the defence and security establishment said that notwithstanding reports of alleged cancellation of the proposed order of SiG-716, the ‘repeat order’ procurement of 73,000 rifles by defence ministry “is at the final stage of approval”.

In February 2019, 72,400 SiG-716 rifles — 66,400 for the army, 4,000 for the air force and 2,000 for the Navy — of 7.62 x 51mm calibre were contracted from SIG Sauer Inc, USA, under the government ‘Buy (Global) category’ through the fast track procedure (FTP).

The ‘Buy (Global)’ category refers to outright purchase of equipment from foreign vendors.

The consignment was delivered and distributed to the soldiers.

Contrary to initial plans to equip only frontline troops, the Army had then equipped over 400 infantry battalions with the SiG-716, as reported earlier. At least two companies (about 100 soldiers each) in all infantry battalions have been given the SiG-716 — irrespective of whether they are in the field or at peace stations.

The number of rifles distributed across the battalions differed, with some getting more than the others.

Defence sources said that considering the performance of the weapon, and to ensure operational necessity, commonality and associated logistics functionality, the defence ministry is now in the process of approving a repeat order of 73,000 SiG-716 assault rifles.

The fresh order is meant to meet the requirement of the remaining frontline troops, who did not receive these rifles the last time.

The reason for the selection of this particular weapon is because of a revision in the Indian Army’s operational philosophy in 2016, wherein the 7.62 x 51mm calibre was chosen over the 5.56 x 45mm calibre, as having the optimum calibre for operations, said sources.

They added that as a result, the SiG-716 Assault Rifle, being of higher calibre (7.62 x 51mm) has longer effective range, more lethality and higher recoil, as compared to the INSAS Rifle (5.56 x 51mm Calibre) or the AK-47 Rifle (7.62 x 39mm), which are also used.
‘Down with Shekhar Gupta’s The Print report on barrel trouble of the rifle. He should be ashamed.
 

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We are using it with bipod as a quasi LMG.
 

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New Delhi: The defence ministry is in the final stages of approving a repeat order for 73,000 SiG 716 G2 patrol assault or battlefield rifles from the US to meet the requirements of its frontline troops, ThePrint has learnt.


Sources in the defence and security establishment told ThePrint that notwithstanding reports of alleged cancellation of the proposed order of SiG 716, the ‘repeat order’ procurement of 73,000 rifles by defence ministry “is at the final stage of approval”.



In February 2019, 72,400 SiG 716 rifles — 66,400 for the army, 4,000 for the air force and 2,000 for the Navy — of 7.62 x 51mm calibre were contracted from SIG Sauer Inc, USA, under the government ‘Buy (Global) category’ through the fast track procedure (FTP).


The ‘Buy (Global)’ category refers to outright purchase of equipment from foreign vendors.


The consignment was delivered and distributed to the soldiers.




Contrary to initial plans to equip only frontline troops, the Army had then equipped over 400 infantry battalions with the SiG 716, as reported earlier. At least two companies (about 100 soldiers each) in all infantry battalions have been given the SiG 716 — irrespective of whether they are in the field or at peace stations.


The number of rifles distributed across the battalions differed, with some getting more than the others.


Defence sources said that considering the performance of the weapon, and to ensure operational necessity, commonality and associated logistics functionality, the defence ministry is now in the process of approving a repeat order of 73,000 SiG 716 assault rifles.


The fresh order is meant to meet the requirement of the remaining frontline troops, who did not receive these rifles the last time.


The reason for the selection of this particular weapon is because of a revision in the Indian Army’s operational philosophy in 2016, wherein the 7.62 x 51mm calibre was chosen over the 5.56 x 45mm calibre, as having the optimum calibre for operations, said sources.



They added that as a result, the SiG 716 Assault Rifle, being of higher calibre (7.62 x 51mm) has longer effective range, more lethality and higher recoil, as compared to the INSAS Rifle (5.56 x 51mm Calibre) or the AK-47 Rifle (7.62 x 39mm), which are also used.



Also read: Desi defence start-up helps Army go off decades-long dependence on imported cold-weather gear


Army goes in for beefing up of SiG rifles

Sources explained that since the induction of the SiG 716 Rifle, the Army has been using Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) manufactured ammunition with the weapon and no deviations in the performance of the weapon have been found.


ThePrint had earlier reported that the Army replaced the original American made ammunition with locally manufactured and easily available rounds of the 7.62 medium machine gun (MMG) ammunition because the American bullets were too expensive in the long term.


While sources in the defence establishment have said this does not have an impact on the performance of the rifle, another set of sources on the ground did say that this led to higher recoil — an issue which can be dealt by better production quality ammunition.


Sources explained that the SiG 716 rifles are also fitted with picatinny rails to facilitate mounting of various equipment and accessories, such as optical sights, under barrel grenade launcher (UBGL), forehand grip, bipod and laser pointer, without any modification to the weapon.


Asked why the accessories were not bought with the original rifle in 2019, the sources said these equipment and accessories, like optical sights, are generally procured after the induction of the weapon.


Considering the utility of forehand grip, the Army procured it from an indigenous source.


Explaining why the SiG rifles are better than the INSAS — other than in terms of the range and lethality — the sources said the SiG 716 Rifle also has an ‘automatic’ mode of firing (similar to AK-47), compared to the three-round burst (TRB) mode of an INSAS rifle.


The sources added that to optimally utilise these features of the weapon, a certain number of bipods have been procured, to enable the use of the weapon in multiple roles and increase its effective range to greater distances.


“Hence, post-induction of the SiG 716 Rifle into the inventory, cases for procurement of day telescopic sight and night sight, thermal imaging and image intensifier for the weapons have been processed from indigenous source,” the sources said.

New Delhi: The defence ministry is in the final stages of approving a repeat order for 73,000 SiG 716 G2 patrol assault or battlefield rifles from the US to meet the requirements of its frontline troops, ThePrint has learnt.


Sources in the defence and security establishment told ThePrint that notwithstanding reports of alleged cancellation of the proposed order of SiG 716, the ‘repeat order’ procurement of 73,000 rifles by defence ministry “is at the final stage of approval”.



In February 2019, 72,400 SiG 716 rifles — 66,400 for the army, 4,000 for the air force and 2,000 for the Navy — of 7.62 x 51mm calibre were contracted from SIG Sauer Inc, USA, under the government ‘Buy (Global) category’ through the fast track procedure (FTP).


The ‘Buy (Global)’ category refers to outright purchase of equipment from foreign vendors.


The consignment was delivered and distributed to the soldiers.




Contrary to initial plans to equip only frontline troops, the Army had then equipped over 400 infantry battalions with the SiG 716, as reported earlier. At least two companies (about 100 soldiers each) in all infantry battalions have been given the SiG 716 — irrespective of whether they are in the field or at peace stations.


The number of rifles distributed across the battalions differed, with some getting more than the others.


Defence sources said that considering the performance of the weapon, and to ensure operational necessity, commonality and associated logistics functionality, the defence ministry is now in the process of approving a repeat order of 73,000 SiG 716 assault rifles.


The fresh order is meant to meet the requirement of the remaining frontline troops, who did not receive these rifles the last time.


The reason for the selection of this particular weapon is because of a revision in the Indian Army’s operational philosophy in 2016, wherein the 7.62 x 51mm calibre was chosen over the 5.56 x 45mm calibre, as having the optimum calibre for operations, said sources.



They added that as a result, the SiG 716 Assault Rifle, being of higher calibre (7.62 x 51mm) has longer effective range, more lethality and higher recoil, as compared to the INSAS Rifle (5.56 x 51mm Calibre) or the AK-47 Rifle (7.62 x 39mm), which are also used.



Also read: Desi defence start-up helps Army go off decades-long dependence on imported cold-weather gear


Army goes in for beefing up of SiG rifles

Sources explained that since the induction of the SiG 716 Rifle, the Army has been using Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) manufactured ammunition with the weapon and no deviations in the performance of the weapon have been found.


ThePrint had earlier reported that the Army replaced the original American made ammunition with locally manufactured and easily available rounds of the 7.62 medium machine gun (MMG) ammunition because the American bullets were too expensive in the long term.


While sources in the defence establishment have said this does not have an impact on the performance of the rifle, another set of sources on the ground did say that this led to higher recoil — an issue which can be dealt by better production quality ammunition.


Sources explained that the SiG 716 rifles are also fitted with picatinny rails to facilitate mounting of various equipment and accessories, such as optical sights, under barrel grenade launcher (UBGL), forehand grip, bipod and laser pointer, without any modification to the weapon.


Asked why the accessories were not bought with the original rifle in 2019, the sources said these equipment and accessories, like optical sights, are generally procured after the induction of the weapon.


Considering the utility of forehand grip, the Army procured it from an indigenous source.


Explaining why the SiG rifles are better than the INSAS — other than in terms of the range and lethality — the sources said the SiG 716 Rifle also has an ‘automatic’ mode of firing (similar to AK-47), compared to the three-round burst (TRB) mode of an INSAS rifle.


The sources added that to optimally utilise these features of the weapon, a certain number of bipods have been procured, to enable the use of the weapon in multiple roles and increase its effective range to greater distances.


“Hence, post-induction of the SiG 716 Rifle into the inventory, cases for procurement of day telescopic sight and night sight, thermal imaging and image intensifier for the weapons have been processed from indigenous source,” the sources said.

 

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Well Angel of War should be happy with this news even though it means that the IA would see their budget being blown up with the required orders of ammos necessary to utilize this type of gun.
 

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Well Angel of War should be happy with this news even though it means that the IA would see their budget being blown up with the required orders of ammos necessary to utilize this type of gun.
No lmg ka ammo hi chalayenge
 

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Well Angel of War should be happy with this news even though it means that the IA would see their budget being blown up with the required orders of ammos necessary to utilize this type of gun.

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Would this be a good fit for the SiGs in our inventory?

Will Adani-PLR supply ammo for the Negev's or will IA procure the ammo from OFB/affiliates?
 

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Would this be a good fit for the SiGs in our inventory?

Will Adani-PLR supply ammo for the Negev's or will IA procure the ammo from OFB/affiliates?
Yes , I believe SSS defence's ammo will do a better job. I think they've a JV with that Brazilian ammo giant(CBC).

I had pointed this out earlier and this is an eyesore. 7.62x51mm ammo and look at all the guns that are chambered in 5.56x45mm mentioned over there. I mean pvt manufacturers should atleast hire some good Software testers / proof read once rather than creating a website with incorrect information like erstwhile OFB had. Sorry for the off topic rant.
 
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Yes , I believe SSS defence's ammo will do a better job. I think they've a JV with that Brazilian ammo giant(CBC).

I had pointed this out earlier and this is an eyesore. 7.62x51mm ammo and look at all the guns that are chambered in 5.56x45mm mentioned over there. I mean pvt manufacturers should atleast hire some good Software testers / proof read once rather than creating a website with incorrect information like erstwhile OFB had. Sorry for the off topic rant.
Heh..looks like a hurried copy/paste job from 5.56x45 if you compare it with the information of 7.62x51.

Content Writer - Sir, ye 7.62x51 mein kaun se firearms daloon?

Lead - Abey koi sa bhi daal de, kaun padhne wala hai.. bas thoda mm ka farak hai.. wo adjust ho jata hai.. rifle mein.
 
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American SiG Sauer rifle fine for Army—for now. Indian firms should be Modi govt’s priority
The Army is all set to go in for a repeat order of the SiG 716 rifles from US firm SIG Sauer Inc., under the ‘Buy (Global) category’ through the fast track route. The fact is that the Army is in desperate need of modern assault rifles to replace the Indian Small Arms System models that it currently uses. The plan to manufacture the AK-203 assault rifle through a joint collaboration with Russia remains unimplemented since 2018 despite negotiations and even the inauguration of the Korwa Ordnance factory in Uttar Pradesh’s Amethi district. Given the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war, one is really not sure when the actual production will finally start. Hence, the Army wanting to go in for a repeat order of the SiG 716 rifles is a good thing, at least on the face of it.

The Army has been upset with the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) for failing to come up with an assault rifle that meets its requirements. And it is not looking at just assault rifles but is also keen on buying different small arms, including carbines, pistols, light machine guns (LMGs), and snipers, among others.

While all branches of the Army have undergone modernisation at various levels, the infantry soldier has seen the least. Although it is now getting better and lighter bulletproof vests and helmets, the basic requirement of an infantry soldier in combat is lacking – a good assault rifle. Thankfully, the defence industry is seeing a vast change in the manufacturing of small arms and all other kinds of systems.

Making in India
One does not have to be dependent on just the OFB or a foreign vendor any longer. Take, for example, Bengaluru-based Stumpp Schuele & Somappa (SSS) Defence, a young small arms startup. It has come up with an indigenously designed and manufactured assault rifle, a carbine, and even a sniper rifle. It is India’s first small arms manufacturer in the actual sense. Another indigenous firm is PLR Systems, now taken over by the Adani Group. The company is a joint venture with Israel Weapons Industry (IWI), a former Israeli government firm that was privatised in 2005. It is now making a whole range of IWI small arms in India, including the Tavor and Ace series at its Gwalior facility.

The Kalyani Group, too, is keen to bring in the products of Bulgaria’s Arsenal JSCo. in a venture similar to PLR Systems. Astr Defence, based in Karnataka, has come out with a small arms product — an indigenous pistol called Atal.

Where’s govt support?
All that these companies need is hand-holding from the Narendra Modi government and the Armed Forces. What this basically means is receiving orders to boost production and manufacture of small arms. There is no point in having these companies invest money and come out with a product only to realise that there are no orders in the offing.

The Armed Forces and the Union government should make it their top-most priority to focus on these and other Indian firms when it comes to small arms manufacturing. Currently, PLR Systems is making the best Israeli weapons in India that the Armed Forces and even state police use. But any follow-up order for the contracts already inked in the past by the Army has to go to the Israeli company because that is what our procurement procedures mandate. This is because if an order is given to PLR Systems, the name of the company changes and that would mean a fresh procurement process. So, the Armed Forces give fresh orders to IWI directly, which manufactures the weapons in Israel and sends them over to India.

The Army is inducting the IWI-supplied LMGs, even when the joint venture is capable of manufacturing it indigenously with varied Make in India elements.

So what does PLR Systems do in the meantime? Apply for fresh tenders and wait.

In the case of SSS Defence, they have an indigenous product that is designed and fine-tuned to meet the requirements of a soldier. The Armed Forces should be directed by the government to source their weapons only through these companies or anyone who is willing to manufacture them in India. Even if the indigenously designed product of the SSS Defence meets 90 per cent of the Army criteria, it should be given a chance with limited orders and hand-holding to fine-tune its weapons.

No more foreign dependence
Orders don’t have to number in lakhs — a few thousands can work as well, and the companies should be asked to come up with upgraded versions as long as the firing system and ammunition remain the same. At the same time, the Central Armed Police Forces (CAPFs) should be directed to procure their weapons from only indigenous companies and not go in for foreign products.

When the SiG 716 was procured, the Army simply went and bought it without taking into consideration the ammunition that will be needed. Now we have a case of an American rifle being used with the ammunition of medium machine guns manufactured by the OFB. And the quality is an issue, according to defence sources. This has resulted in higher recoil than a regular SiG 716, which is of 7.62 x 51 mm calibre.

In July 2020, I had written that the Army’s decision to go ahead with the second order of 72,000 SiG 716 assault rifles from the United States is yet another ‘setback’ to the private small arms industry in India and sharpens focus on the government’s inability to kickstart the AK-203 production factory in Amethi. It has been nearly two years since then, but the system remains the same. However, I am not suggesting that the repeat order should not be made — it should be, for the soldiers need rifles, but it is also time to focus on indigenous firms.

Another factor to think about is the Army’s proposed small arms plan. If it goes ahead, it will become a unique force in the world to have three different calibres of small arms — 7.62 x 51mm of SiG, 5.56 x 45 mm of proposed carbine and 7.62×39 mm of the AK-203.

One can’t even imagine the logistics nightmare it will bring during an actual war or even counter-terrorism and counter-insurgency operations.
 

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