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Bailey designed for each panel to be lifted by 6 people, design is still used even today.
Now that's a engineering marvel.
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The panels they are lifting are 258 kgs each.They will join 236 such panels to construct the damaged Birhon bridge at Udhampur. They are soldiers of @NorthernComd_IA & they will ensure the safety & security of awam in J&K, be it Peace or War!
Now that's a engineering marvel.
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The panels they are lifting are 258 kgs each.They will join 236 such panels to construct the damaged Birhon bridge at Udhampur. They are soldiers of @NorthernComd_IA & they will ensure the safety & security of awam in J&K, be it Peace or War!
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Army helicopter crashes in Kathua, falls into dam
An Indian Army helicopter crashed on Tuesday in Kathua in Jammu.
The cause of the crash is said to be a technical snag.
The incident happened around11am. Five to six persons were on board when the chopper crashed at Purthu in Basohli, a hilly area in Kathua.
After the crash, the chopper fell into the Ranjit Sagar Dam.
The dam lies in the border region of Punjab, Himachal Pradesh and Jammu and Kashmir. The Police and Army have left for the spot for rescue operations.
Senior Superintendent of Police of Pathankot in Punjab Surendra Lamba told PTI that there were no immediate reports of any casualty.
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An Indian Army helicopter crashed on Tuesday in Kathua in Jammu.
The cause of the crash is said to be a technical snag.
The incident happened around11am. Five to six persons were on board when the chopper crashed at Purthu in Basohli, a hilly area in Kathua.
After the crash, the chopper fell into the Ranjit Sagar Dam.
The dam lies in the border region of Punjab, Himachal Pradesh and Jammu and Kashmir. The Police and Army have left for the spot for rescue operations.
Senior Superintendent of Police of Pathankot in Punjab Surendra Lamba told PTI that there were no immediate reports of any casualty.
Army helicopter crashes in Kathua, falls into dam
The cause of the crash is said to be a technical snag
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Helmets, I-card recovered from Army chopper crash site, pilots missing
The helicopter belonged to the army’s Pathankot-based 254 ALH-WSI squadron, which lost a Rudra chopper in January 2021. Four Rudra helicopters have been involved in mishaps in as many years.
The Rudra helicopter, built at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), was carrying out a training sortie that involved low-level flying over the lake.
Helmets, I-card recovered from Army chopper crash site, pilots missing
The helicopter belonged to the army’s Pathankot-based 254 ALH-WSI squadron, which lost a Rudra chopper in January 2021. Four Rudra helicopters have been involved in mishaps in as many years.
By Rahul Singh and Ravi Krishnan Khajuria
UPDATED ON AUG 03, 2021 09:24 PM IST
The fate of two Indian Army pilots, one a lieutenant colonel and another a captain, was not known after their Rudra helicopter crashed into the Ranjit Sagar Dam lake near Pathankot on Tuesday, even as search and rescue crews recovered the wreckage of the chopper along with some pilot gear, officials familiar with the development said.
The items recovered by search parties included chopper skids, fuel tanks, stabilizer, helmets and the identity card of one of the two pilots, said one of the officials cited above.
The Rudra helicopter, built at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), was carrying out a training sortie that involved low-level flying over the lake, said a second official.
The Rudra--being an army helicopter—didn’t have an emergency flotation gear (EFG) and the crew was unlikely to be wearing life preservers, said commander KP Sanjeev Kumar (retd), a military aviation expert and former experimental test pilot.
“If the helicopter is operating within gliding distance of shore/land, life preservers, EFG and life raft are not mandated. Occasionally, such helicopters may be required to operate over water. That’s ‘risk exposure,’ he said.
The helicopter belonged to the army’s Pathankot-based 254 ALH-WSI squadron, which lost a Rudra chopper in January 2021. Four Rudra helicopters have been involved in mishaps in as many years.
The Rudra is a weaponised version of the indigenously built advanced light helicopter Dhruv. The army operates six Rudra squadrons with 10 helicopters each.
Search and rescue involved specialized divers and Dhruv and Cheetah helicopters. In the evening, a heavy-lift Chinook helicopter also joined the search.
Locals claimed the chopper used to hover over the dam and drop a pipe into the water every day. The moment it dropped the pipe on Tuesday morning, it crashed, they added.
Kathua SSP Ramesh Kotwal said the chopper crashed around 10.45 am. “While deep water divers are on the job, the operation will take time. Police and local boatmen retrieved some floating material from the lake. It will take time to retrieve the entire wreckage. We retrieved two helmets,” he said, adding that the lake was up to 250 feet deep.
“The area where the chopper crashed has been zeroed in. Special Forces of the army, deep water divers are on the job, but the water is not clear,” he said.
Army ambulances, two helicopters, senior army officers and civil administration officials were present on the spot. The dam is located about 30 km from Pathankot.
There are four weapon stations on the Rudra with a turret gun in its nose area. The helicopters are also equipped with air-to-air missiles, 70 mm rockets and 20 mm turret guns. Capable of firing anti-tank guided missiles, it is also equipped with infrared jammers and obstacle avoidance systems.
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The helicopter belonged to the army’s Pathankot-based 254 ALH-WSI squadron, which lost a Rudra chopper in January 2021. Four Rudra helicopters have been involved in mishaps in as many years.
The Rudra helicopter, built at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), was carrying out a training sortie that involved low-level flying over the lake.
Helmets, I-card recovered from Army chopper crash site, pilots missing
The helicopter belonged to the army’s Pathankot-based 254 ALH-WSI squadron, which lost a Rudra chopper in January 2021. Four Rudra helicopters have been involved in mishaps in as many years.
By Rahul Singh and Ravi Krishnan Khajuria
UPDATED ON AUG 03, 2021 09:24 PM IST
The fate of two Indian Army pilots, one a lieutenant colonel and another a captain, was not known after their Rudra helicopter crashed into the Ranjit Sagar Dam lake near Pathankot on Tuesday, even as search and rescue crews recovered the wreckage of the chopper along with some pilot gear, officials familiar with the development said.
The items recovered by search parties included chopper skids, fuel tanks, stabilizer, helmets and the identity card of one of the two pilots, said one of the officials cited above.
The Rudra helicopter, built at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), was carrying out a training sortie that involved low-level flying over the lake, said a second official.
The Rudra--being an army helicopter—didn’t have an emergency flotation gear (EFG) and the crew was unlikely to be wearing life preservers, said commander KP Sanjeev Kumar (retd), a military aviation expert and former experimental test pilot.
“If the helicopter is operating within gliding distance of shore/land, life preservers, EFG and life raft are not mandated. Occasionally, such helicopters may be required to operate over water. That’s ‘risk exposure,’ he said.
The helicopter belonged to the army’s Pathankot-based 254 ALH-WSI squadron, which lost a Rudra chopper in January 2021. Four Rudra helicopters have been involved in mishaps in as many years.
The Rudra is a weaponised version of the indigenously built advanced light helicopter Dhruv. The army operates six Rudra squadrons with 10 helicopters each.
Search and rescue involved specialized divers and Dhruv and Cheetah helicopters. In the evening, a heavy-lift Chinook helicopter also joined the search.
Locals claimed the chopper used to hover over the dam and drop a pipe into the water every day. The moment it dropped the pipe on Tuesday morning, it crashed, they added.
Kathua SSP Ramesh Kotwal said the chopper crashed around 10.45 am. “While deep water divers are on the job, the operation will take time. Police and local boatmen retrieved some floating material from the lake. It will take time to retrieve the entire wreckage. We retrieved two helmets,” he said, adding that the lake was up to 250 feet deep.
“The area where the chopper crashed has been zeroed in. Special Forces of the army, deep water divers are on the job, but the water is not clear,” he said.
Army ambulances, two helicopters, senior army officers and civil administration officials were present on the spot. The dam is located about 30 km from Pathankot.
There are four weapon stations on the Rudra with a turret gun in its nose area. The helicopters are also equipped with air-to-air missiles, 70 mm rockets and 20 mm turret guns. Capable of firing anti-tank guided missiles, it is also equipped with infrared jammers and obstacle avoidance systems.
Helmets, I-card recovered from Army chopper crash site, pilots missing
The helicopter belonged to the army’s Pathankot-based 254 ALH-WSI squadron, which lost a Rudra chopper in January 2021. Four Rudra helicopters have been involved in mishaps in as many years.
www.hindustantimes.com
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Helmets, ID card of pilot recovered from Army chopper crash site in Jammu and Kashmir's Kathua
The items recovered by search parties included chopper skids, fuel tanks, stabilizer, helmets and the identity card of one of the two pilots, said one of the officials cited above.
New Delhi: The fate of two Indian Army pilots, one a lieutenant colonel and another a captain, was not known after their Rudra helicopter crashed into the Ranjit Sagar Dam lake near Pathankot on Tuesday (August 3), even as search and rescue crews recovered the wreckage of the chopper along with some pilot gear, officials familiar with the development said.
The items recovered by search parties included chopper skids, fuel tanks, stabilizer, helmets and the identity card of one of the two pilots, said one of the officials cited above.
The Rudra helicopter, built at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), was carrying out a training sortie that involved low-level flying over the lake, said a second official.
The Rudra, being an army helicopter, didn’t have an emergency flotation gear (EFG) and the crew was unlikely to be wearing life preservers, said commander KP Sanjeev Kumar (retd), a military aviation expert and former experimental test pilot.
"If the helicopter is operating within gliding distance of shore/land, life preservers, EFG and life raft are not mandated. Occasionally, such helicopters may be required to operate over water. That's 'risk exposure', he said.
zeenews.india.com
The items recovered by search parties included chopper skids, fuel tanks, stabilizer, helmets and the identity card of one of the two pilots, said one of the officials cited above.
New Delhi: The fate of two Indian Army pilots, one a lieutenant colonel and another a captain, was not known after their Rudra helicopter crashed into the Ranjit Sagar Dam lake near Pathankot on Tuesday (August 3), even as search and rescue crews recovered the wreckage of the chopper along with some pilot gear, officials familiar with the development said.
The items recovered by search parties included chopper skids, fuel tanks, stabilizer, helmets and the identity card of one of the two pilots, said one of the officials cited above.
The Rudra helicopter, built at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), was carrying out a training sortie that involved low-level flying over the lake, said a second official.
The Rudra, being an army helicopter, didn’t have an emergency flotation gear (EFG) and the crew was unlikely to be wearing life preservers, said commander KP Sanjeev Kumar (retd), a military aviation expert and former experimental test pilot.
"If the helicopter is operating within gliding distance of shore/land, life preservers, EFG and life raft are not mandated. Occasionally, such helicopters may be required to operate over water. That's 'risk exposure', he said.
Helmets, ID card of pilot recovered from Army chopper crash site in Jammu and Kashmir's Kathua
The items recovered by search parties included chopper skids, fuel tanks, stabilizer, helmets and the identity card of one of the two pilots, said one of the officials cited above.
zeenews.india.com
Sad to hear.Army helicopter crashes in Kathua, falls into dam
An Indian Army helicopter crashed on Tuesday in Kathua in Jammu.
The cause of the crash is said to be a technical snag.
The incident happened around11am. Five to six persons were on board when the chopper crashed at Purthu in Basohli, a hilly area in Kathua.
After the crash, the chopper fell into the Ranjit Sagar Dam.
The dam lies in the border region of Punjab, Himachal Pradesh and Jammu and Kashmir. The Police and Army have left for the spot for rescue operations.
Senior Superintendent of Police of Pathankot in Punjab Surendra Lamba told PTI that there were no immediate reports of any casualty.
Army helicopter crashes in Kathua, falls into dam
The cause of the crash is said to be a technical snag
Two crashes of the same model within a six month gap is serious.
The crashes occurred in January 2021 and in August 2021.
Do all models of the ALH come with black boxes which will contain crucial flight data. Like commercial aircraft maybe a cockpit voice recorder can also be installed if possible.
The basic ALH is an aerodynamically stable heli having logged hundreds of thousands of flight hours. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the aircraft not withstanding the skeptics. I even believe that the Equador ALH fleet was a victim of sabotage by external powers who wanted to make Indian made hitech products look defective. Our HAL also did not provide 100% service support to Equador.
Hope there is a quick joint investigation by HAL and the Air Force to pinpoint the cause.
Though I am not in favour of imitating the Americans every time an organisation like the NTSB customised to Indian conditions should be set up. Crashes of aircraft whether planes or helicopters cannot be totally prevented. But we should analyse each crash well and draw the right lessons.
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India and Russia set to close deal for over 6 lakh AK 203 rifles, production to start soon
New Delhi: The long-pending AK 203 rifles deal with Russia, under Make in India, has been finalised and a final contract is being legally vetted by both sides before the signing process, ThePrint has learnt.
Sources in the defence and security establishment said the production of the over 6 lakh rifles would begin by the end of this year, and that they have export potential as well.
Under the deal, the first 20,000 AK 203 rifles, which will be the mainstay of the armed forces for years to come, will be imported from Russia at a cost of about $1,100 (or Rs 80,000) a piece depending on the conversion rate.
The rest of the guns are to be manufactured in India as part of a joint venture — Indo-Russia Rifles Private Limited — established between the Indian Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), Kalashnikov Concern, and Rosoboronexport, the Russian state agency for military exports. While OFB has a 50.5 per cent stake in the joint venture, Kalashnikov has 42 per cent and Rosoboronexport 7.5 per cent.
The cost of these Make in India rifles would be a “little less” than what the imported ones will cost, the sources said, refusing to get into specifics.
The deal was first announced in 2018 amid tremendous excitement, but hit a roadblock over price negotiations, with the OFB quoting a higher price than the Russian product because of the extra man hours it would take and other issues.
The defence ministry had even constituted a committee to break this logjam.
The delay had forced the Army to order SiG 716 rifles from the US under a fast-tracked process to arm its frontline troops. With 72,000 SiG rifles already delivered, the Army is now pursuing emergency procurement of another 72,000.
“The contract for AK 203 is undergoing legal vetting and would be inked very soon,” a source said.
ThePrint had reported on 13 August that the AK 203 production has become a top priority for the Narendra Modi government and every effort is being made to get it going fast.
A modern assault rifle
The AK-203 is one of the most modern assault rifles from the stable of Kalashnikov Concern, which churns out the famous AK-series rifles, including AK-47.
The rifle is chambered to fire 7.62×39 mm ammunition (same as the AK-47).
The new rifles will replace the 5.56×45 mm INSAS (Indian Small Arms System), which have been in use for over two decades.
Compared to the AK-103, which was originally meant for joint production, the AK-203 comes with collapsible stock that can be adjusted according to the shooter’s height.
There is a different safety mechanism for the rifle, because of which the soldier does not have to lose contact with the grip when changing firing modes during an operation.
There is also a new flash hider that comes handy when the assault rifle is used with night vision, as flash from the firing of a bullet can hamper visibility.
The rifle comes with a new barrel and also an interchangeable magazine with the standard 30 and 50 rounds.
The AK 47 magazine can be used with the AK 203.
Interestingly, the government had appointed Major General Sanjeev Sengar as the CEO of the Amethi factory where the rifles would be manufactured.
The decision to appoint a serving Major General as the Amethi factory’s CEO is a first in decades for the Army.
The Army has been concerned over low quality and delivery problems when it comes to ordnance factories’ products, so if this new model for the AK-203 factory is successful, it might just pave the way for a new set-up to oversee such facilities.
theprint.in
New Delhi: The long-pending AK 203 rifles deal with Russia, under Make in India, has been finalised and a final contract is being legally vetted by both sides before the signing process, ThePrint has learnt.
Sources in the defence and security establishment said the production of the over 6 lakh rifles would begin by the end of this year, and that they have export potential as well.
Under the deal, the first 20,000 AK 203 rifles, which will be the mainstay of the armed forces for years to come, will be imported from Russia at a cost of about $1,100 (or Rs 80,000) a piece depending on the conversion rate.
The rest of the guns are to be manufactured in India as part of a joint venture — Indo-Russia Rifles Private Limited — established between the Indian Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), Kalashnikov Concern, and Rosoboronexport, the Russian state agency for military exports. While OFB has a 50.5 per cent stake in the joint venture, Kalashnikov has 42 per cent and Rosoboronexport 7.5 per cent.
The cost of these Make in India rifles would be a “little less” than what the imported ones will cost, the sources said, refusing to get into specifics.
The deal was first announced in 2018 amid tremendous excitement, but hit a roadblock over price negotiations, with the OFB quoting a higher price than the Russian product because of the extra man hours it would take and other issues.
The defence ministry had even constituted a committee to break this logjam.
The delay had forced the Army to order SiG 716 rifles from the US under a fast-tracked process to arm its frontline troops. With 72,000 SiG rifles already delivered, the Army is now pursuing emergency procurement of another 72,000.
“The contract for AK 203 is undergoing legal vetting and would be inked very soon,” a source said.
ThePrint had reported on 13 August that the AK 203 production has become a top priority for the Narendra Modi government and every effort is being made to get it going fast.
A modern assault rifle
The AK-203 is one of the most modern assault rifles from the stable of Kalashnikov Concern, which churns out the famous AK-series rifles, including AK-47.
The rifle is chambered to fire 7.62×39 mm ammunition (same as the AK-47).
The new rifles will replace the 5.56×45 mm INSAS (Indian Small Arms System), which have been in use for over two decades.
Compared to the AK-103, which was originally meant for joint production, the AK-203 comes with collapsible stock that can be adjusted according to the shooter’s height.
There is a different safety mechanism for the rifle, because of which the soldier does not have to lose contact with the grip when changing firing modes during an operation.
There is also a new flash hider that comes handy when the assault rifle is used with night vision, as flash from the firing of a bullet can hamper visibility.
The rifle comes with a new barrel and also an interchangeable magazine with the standard 30 and 50 rounds.
The AK 47 magazine can be used with the AK 203.
Interestingly, the government had appointed Major General Sanjeev Sengar as the CEO of the Amethi factory where the rifles would be manufactured.
The decision to appoint a serving Major General as the Amethi factory’s CEO is a first in decades for the Army.
The Army has been concerned over low quality and delivery problems when it comes to ordnance factories’ products, so if this new model for the AK-203 factory is successful, it might just pave the way for a new set-up to oversee such facilities.
India and Russia set to close deal for over 6 lakh AK 203 rifles, production to start soon
The first 20,000 AK 203 rifles will be imported from Russia at a cost of about Rs 80,000 a piece. The rest are to be manufactured in India as part of a joint venture.
theprint.in
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Where are our Mahindra LSVs and Kalyani M4, which has been ordered a long back..!!!!!!
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The first ALH MK4 aka Rudra crash from the same unit a few months ago was due to the rotors getting tangled with electric wires. This is not HALs fault as the Indian Army Aviation Corps chose to not install wire cutters on their helicopters unlike the IAF.
Like this, pic just for illustration
I guess if something like what you have described happened, it would be classified as a pilot error. No point in blaming HAL. Is there something called obstacle avoidance system where in the radar and the software detect even these cables and other low lying dangers and sends out an warning signal to the pilot.
HAL can only be responsible for design faults (or maybe the design house is more responsible) or manufacturing defects. Don't know whether HAL is responsible for the maintenance of the helis at the army bases also.
Even this particular model WSI of the basic Dhruv has been around for a few years.
No reports of any systemic fault. But how do we reliably analyse the possible causes of the crash without an black box of the aircraft.
Anyway hope we find the root cause, take corrective steps and move ahead.
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Delivery may start by the end of this year probably.
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