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Gen Rawat is a credible general . He has been the target on many hit jobs.

I don't know if he said that or note , I don't care .

Point is India vis a vis china , our aircraft carriers are pretty much useless as of now.

That's the hard truth, unless we can increase the no of the combat ships in the navy which in turn will led to more no of ships in the aircraft carrier group.

A man's punch must match his strength , otherwise he will end up punched to death in the bargain.

Our current carrier group will be hopelessly outnumbered by a corresponding Chinese carrier group. Let not even talk about the no of ashms a Chinese CG can put to bear against IN CG . ( Add to that our ships are underarmed )

Unless our economic power increases and correspondingly the no of combat ships , adding more carriers is waste of money.

Best we increase the no of destroyers , frigates and submarines .

In the worse case scenario only a submarine will have a decent chance to put a chin CG under threat . If we pit our CG against a chin CG we will lose it , simple as that.

So untill our economic power increases best we spend our limited money on assets which can actually deter current and near future threats.

Imagine a submarine firing brahmos salvos at 400-800 km out of nowhere in the Indian Ocean , it will not only put chin CG at risk but also the chin CG will not be able to undertake counter action to supress the submarine threat.

There is no clear distinction between a offensive weapon and a defensive weapon , its the tactics which determines it . If submarine is used in offensive role it is a offensive weapon , if a CG is used in a defensive mode it is a defensive weapon.

Lastly aircraft carriers don't capture islands , marines do via LSTs LSDs LPDs etc .
 
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Gen Rawat is a credible general . He has been the target on many hit jobs.

I don't know if he said that or note , I don't care .

Point is India vis a vis china , our aircraft carriers are pretty much useless as of now.

That's the hard truth, unless we can increase the no of the combat ships in the navy which in turn will led to more no of ships in the aircraft carrier group.

A man's punch must match his strength , otherwise he will end up punched to death in the bargain.

Our current carrier group will be hopelessly outnumbered by a corresponding Chinese carrier group. Let not even talk about the no of ashms a Chinese CG can put to bear against IN CG . ( Add to that our ships are underarmed )

Unless our economic power increases and correspondingly the no of combat ships , adding more carriers is waste of money.

Best we increase the no of destroyers , frigates and submarines .

In the worse case scenario only a submarine will have a decent chance to put a chin CG under threat . If we pit our CG against a chin CG we will lose it , simple as that.

So untill our economic power increases best we spend our limited money on assets which can actually deter current and near future threats.

Imagine a submarine firing brahmos salvos at 400-800 km out of nowhere in the Indian Ocean , it will not only put chin CG at risk but also the chin CG will not be able to undertake counter action to supress the submarine threat.

There is no clear distinction between a offensive weapon and a defensive weapon , its the tactics which determines it . If submarine is used in offensive role it is a offensive weapon , if a CG is used in a defensive mode it is a defensive weapon.

Lastly aircraft carriers don't capture islands , marines do via LSTs LSDs LPDs etc .
2 45000 Tonne EMALS carriers seems to be a better option.
 

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There is no money , either aircraft carrier or submarines, if the choice is between the two.

If money is there then no problem.
Hey IN will be allocated 51 Billion dollars for next 10 Years additionally. So still a carrier and ssn combo isn’t going to work?
 

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Hey IN will be allocated 51 Billion dollars for next 10 Years additionally. So still a carrier and ssn combo isn’t going to work?
In 51B they have to buy SSK , SSN SSBN and this is only submarine list
Then there are destroyers , frigates and corvettes as well
Then there is F18 / Rafales and TEDBF 's along with Helis
51B in 10 years with Rupee depreciation is a pretty small amount

And lastly we already have 2 AC ..First make them fully operational and convert islands into strategic Airbase
When all done and if we have any money left then we should pursue AC
 

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MAYBE THIS IS Y HE SAID IT! so that means total 2 aircraft carriers by 2022.

depending on ins vikrant's performance, they ll probably plan to make it indigenously or something.

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but trust our media to twist everything.

 

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Gen Rawat is a credible general . He has been the target on many hit jobs.

I don't know if he said that or note , I don't care .

Point is India vis a vis china , our aircraft carriers are pretty much useless as of now.

That's the hard truth, unless we can increase the no of the combat ships in the navy which in turn will led to more no of ships in the aircraft carrier group.

A man's punch must match his strength , otherwise he will end up punched to death in the bargain.

Our current carrier group will be hopelessly outnumbered by a corresponding Chinese carrier group. Let not even talk about the no of ashms a Chinese CG can put to bear against IN CG . ( Add to that our ships are underarmed )

Unless our economic power increases and correspondingly the no of combat ships , adding more carriers is waste of money.

Best we increase the no of destroyers , frigates and submarines .

In the worse case scenario only a submarine will have a decent chance to put a chin CG under threat . If we pit our CG against a chin CG we will lose it , simple as that.

So untill our economic power increases best we spend our limited money on assets which can actually deter current and near future threats.

Imagine a submarine firing brahmos salvos at 400-800 km out of nowhere in the Indian Ocean , it will not only put chin CG at risk but also the chin CG will not be able to undertake counter action to supress the submarine threat.

There is no clear distinction between a offensive weapon and a defensive weapon , its the tactics which determines it . If submarine is used in offensive role it is a offensive weapon , if a CG is used in a defensive mode it is a defensive weapon.

Lastly aircraft carriers don't capture islands , marines do via LSTs LSDs LPDs etc .
Would a combination of 6-9 Super Scorpenes with AIP and VLS module + 3rd aircraft carrier(British QE class CATOBAR design) work instead of 6 uber expensive P75I subs?
 

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In 51B they have to buy SSK , SSN SSBN and this is only submarine list
Then there are destroyers , frigates and corvettes as well
Then there is F18 / Rafales and TEDBF 's along with Helis
51B in 10 years with Rupee depreciation is a pretty small amount

And lastly we already have 2 AC ..First make them fully operational and convert islands into strategic Airbase
When all done and if we have any money left then we should pursue AC
SSN, SSBN are not part of that list.
They are budgeted separately
 

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