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Thank you . you proved my point.
What point exactly? :bplease:

I don't buy "everyone is equally good and bad, don't generalize, look i'm so intellectual and morally superior hehe " propaganda.

Just look at Afghanistan, just look at the Pashtoon populated parts of Pakistan, just look at their history.
For some 40 or so years they have been killing and brutalizing each other non stop, along with other tribes in an around Afghanistan.

In Karachi, where they were settled as refugees, they caused riots where they butchered the poor Muhajjir( Muslims from UP-Bihar etc type areas who emigrated to Pakistan ) population.

Even in Pakistan where a lot of ummah chumma goes on these people are viewed with contempt among the Sindhis and Punjabis there, similarly in Iran by the Persian natives.

Anyway, enough OT, no use talking to kumbaya fools.
 

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Kargil redux: A senior Pakistani Air Force officer's account of the PAF's role in Kargil
(NOTE: This article has appeared in the journal, "Defence and Security of India". It is a cold and objective analysis of the kind that we Indians seem incapable of. I am happy that I played a role in getting this article published in India.)

By Air Commodore M Kaiser Tufail (Retd)
Pakistan Air Force

While the Indians were prompt in setting up an Inquiry Commission into the Kargil fracas, we in Pakistan found it expedient to bury the affair in the �national interest�. Compared to the Indians, Pakistani writings on the Kargil conflict have been pathetically few; those that have come out are largely irrelevant and in a few cases, clearly sponsored. The role of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has been discussed off and on, but mostly disparagingly, particularly in some uninformed quarters. Here is an airman�s perspective, focusing on the IAF�s air operations and the PAF�s position.

Operational planning in the PAF

Since an important portion of this write-up pertains to the PAF�s appreciation of the situation and the decision-making loop during the Kargil conflict, we will start with a brief primer on the PAF�s hierarchy and how operational matters are handled at Air Headquarters.

The policy-making elements at Air Headquarters consist of four tiers of staff officers. The top-most tier is made up of the Deputy Chiefs of Air Staff (DCAS) who are the Principal Staff Officers (PSOs) of their respective branches and are nominally headed by the Vice Chief of Air Staff (VCAS). They (along with Air Officers Commanding, the senior representatives from field formations) are members of the Air Board, the PAF�s �corporate� decision-making body, which is chaired by the Chief of the Air Staff (CAS). The next tier is made up of Assistant Chiefs of Air Staff (ACAS) who head various sub-branches and, along with the third-tier Directors, assist the PSOs in policy-making; they are not on the Air Board, but can be called for hearings and presentations in the Board meetings, as required. A fourth tier of Deputy Directors does most of the sundry staff work in this policy-making hierarchy.

The Operations & Plans branch is the key player in any war, conflict or contingency and is responsible for threat assessment and formulation of a suitable response. During peacetime, war plans are drawn up by the Plans sub-branch and are then war-gamed in operational exercises run by the sister Operations sub-branch. Operational training is accordingly restructured and administered by the latter, based on the lessons of various exercises. This essentially is the gist of the PAF�s operational preparedness methodology, the efficiency of which is amply reflected in its readiness and telling response in various wars and skirmishes in the past.

In early 1999, Air Chief Marshal Parvaiz Mehdi Qureshi was at the helm of the PAF. An officer with an imposing personality, he had won the Sword of Honour at the Academy. During the 1971 Indo-Pak War, as a young Flight Lieutenant, he was on a close support mission in erstwhile East Pakistan when his Sabre was shot down and he was taken POW. He determinedly resumed his fighter pilot�s career after repatriation and rose to command PAF�s premier Sargodha Base. He was later appointed as the AOC, Southern Air Command, an appointment that affords considerable interaction amongst the three services, especially in operational exercises. He also held the vitally important post of DCAS (Ops) as well as the VCAS before taking over as CAS.

The post of DCAS (Ops) was held by the late Air Marshal Zahid Anis. A well-qualified fighter pilot, he had a distinguished career in the PAF, having held some of the most sought-after appointments. These included command of No 38 Tactical Wing (F-16s), the elite Combat Commanders� School and PAF Base, Sargodha. He was AOC, Southern Air Command before his appointment as the head of the Operations branch at Air Headquarters. He had done the Air War Course at the PAF�s Air War College, another War Course at the French War College as well as the prestigious course at the Royal College of Defence Studies in the UK.

The ACAS (Ops) was Air Cdre Abid Rao, who had recently completed command of PAF Base, Mianwali. He had earlier done the War Course from the French War College.

The ACAS (Plans) was the late Air Cdre Saleem Nawaz, a brilliant officer who had made his mark at the Staff College at Bracknell, UK, and during the War Course at the National Defence College, Islamabad.

There is no gainsaying the fact that the PAF�s hierarchy was highly qualified and that each of the players in the Operations branch had the requisite command and staff experience. The two top men had also fought in the 1971 Indo-Pak War, albeit as junior officers.

First rumblings

As Director of Operations (in the rank of Gp Capt), my first opportunity to interact with the Army�s Director of Military Operations (DMO) was over a phone call, some time in March 1999. Brig Nadeem Ahmed called with great courtesy and requested some information that he needed for a paper exercise, as he told me. He wanted to know when the PAF had last carried out a deployment at Skardu, how many aircraft were deployed, etc. Rather impressed with the Army�s interest in PAF matters, I passed on the requisite details. The next day Brig Nadeem called again, but this time his questions were more probing and he wanted some classified information including fuel storage capacity at Skardu, fighter sortie-generation capacity, radar coverage, etc. He insisted that he was preparing a briefing and wanted to get his facts and figures right in front of his bosses. We got on a secure line and I passed on the required information. Although he made it sound like routine contingency planning, I sensed that something unusual was brewing. In the event, I thought it prudent to inform the DCAS (Ops). Just to be sure, he checked with his counterpart, the Director General Military Operations (DGMO), Maj Gen Tauqir Zia, who said the same thing as his DMO and, assured us that it was just part of routine contingency planning.

Not withstanding the DGMO�s assurance, a cautious Air Marshal Zahid decided to check things for himself and despatched Gp Capt Tariq Ashraf, Officer Commanding of No 33 Wing at PAF Base, Kamra, to look things over at Skardu and make a report. Within a few days, Gp Capt Tariq (who was also the designated war-time commander of Skardu Base) had completed his visit, which included his own periodic war-readiness inspection. While he made a detailed report to the DCAS (Ops), he let me in on the Army�s mobilisation and other preparations that he had seen in Skardu. His analysis was that �something big is imminent.� Helicopter flying activity was feverishly high as Army Aviation�s Mi-17s were busy moving artillery guns and ammunition to the posts that had been vacated by the Indians during the winter. Troops in battle gear were to be seen all over the city. Interestingly, Messes were abuzz with war chatter amongst young officers. In retrospect, one wonders how Indian intelligence agencies failed to read any such signs, many weeks before the operation unfolded.
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What point exactly? :bplease:

I don't buy "everyone is equally good and bad, don't generalize, look i'm so intellectual and morally superior hehe " propaganda.

Just look at Afghanistan, just look at the Pashtoon populated parts of Pakistan, just look at their history.
For some 40 or so years they have been killing and brutalizing each other non stop, along with other tribes in an around Afghanistan.

In Karachi, where they were settled as refugees, they caused riots where they butchered the poor Muhajjir( Muslims from UP-Bihar etc type areas who emigrated to Pakistan ) population.

Even in Pakistan where a lot of ummah chumma goes on these people are viewed with contempt among the Sindhis and Punjabis there, similarly in Iran by the Persian natives.

Anyway, enough OT, no use talking to kumbaya fools.
these kumbaya fools deserve as much as the degenerate subhumans they support.these are the idiots that think we unironically support antiracism but actually only practise it as in todays environment it will give us indians advantage in the western world while we rise up like china.to all these types i tell get with the plan,if it furthers our ethnic interest then it should be practised not out of principle and one of theses is the kumbaya types.i unironically like the chinese way of treating anti nationals and anti civilizational types uighers and will still support bashing PLA on the border and getting all our perceived territory because i am not against cleansing of population just i dont want my group to be targetted and my religion.get with the plan.
 

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Every culture, race, religion has equal amount of evil and depravity in them without exception.

How many afghans, pathans, pastuns do you know? Get a better education
Hindus certainly have more people trying to be politically correct and doing virtue signalling over others.
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars What kind of Camoflague is this?
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'Bhabha Kavach': Midhani Masters Armour That Can Stop AK-47 Shots
At a time when India has started facing some tough challenges along the Line of Actual Control with China, an exclusive armour unit to manufacture bullet-proof jackets of international standards and protective gear and to supply bullet-proof vehicles will come up at Mishra Dhatu Nigam Ltd (Midhani) in Hyderabad’s Kanchanbagh area.




The bullet-proof jackets are named ‘Bhabha Kavach’ since the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) had developed the technology. These jackets can even stop a bullet fired from an AK-47 as well. A few hundred bulletproof jackets have already been supplied to the paramilitary forces as samples.



“We have mastered the technology to deliver these bullet-proof jackets in huge quantities. We will also be keeping an eye on the ammunition that is developed across the world and make suitable changes accordingly to upgrade the jackets,” said Midhani chairman and managing director Sanjay Kumar Jha.



The bulletproof jackets that are manufactured in Midhani meet the specifications of the Union ministry of home affairs and also the BIS level-6.



Sanjay Kumar said time has come for Midhani to diversify, including having a full-fledged armour plant which will have in addition to bullet-proof jackets, vehicle armoury and also protective gear for the armed forces.



An armoured vehicle which TOI saw at Midhani has features that security agencies will find suitable for use in challenging situations. For example, even if a tyre were to be shot at, the vehicle would still be able to travel a distance of 100 km. This, in technical parlance, is called ‘run flat tyres’ system. The vehicle, described as first-ever Isuzu-based combat vehicle, has several other features too. While its carrying capacity with weapons is seven persons, the vehicle can be used as a quick response team, escort vehicle, troops carrier in counter-insurgency operations and for other operational duties.

Centre’s Atmanirbhar Bharat concept has come as a shot in the arm for the defence public sector enterprise as preference will have to be given to it instead of going for imports. Since Midhani has mastered the technology and proven that it can supply bullet-proof jackets produced indigenously, experts said the armed forces and security agencies could make purchases from Midhani.
 

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Indian Army to get ‘Bhabha Kavach’ that can stop AK-47 shots

At a time when India has started facing some tough challenges along the Line of Actual Control with China, an exclusive armour unit to manufacture bullet-proof jackets of international standards and protective gear and to supply bullet-proof vehicles will come up at Mishra Dhatu Nigam Ltd (Midhani) in Hyderabad’s Kanchanbagh area. The bullet-proof jackets are named ‘Bhabha kavach’ since the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) had developed the technology. These jackets can evenstop a bullet fired from an AK-47 as well. A few hundred bulletproof jackets have already been supplied to the paramilitary forces as samples. “We have mastered the technology to deliver these bullet-proof jackets in huge quantities. We will also be keeping an eye on the ammunition that is developed across the world and make suitable changes accordingly to upgrade the jackets,”” Midhani chairman and managing director Sanjay Kumar Jha said.
 

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What point exactly? :bplease:

I don't buy "everyone is equally good and bad, don't generalize, look i'm so intellectual and morally superior hehe " propaganda.

Just look at Afghanistan, just look at the Pashtoon populated parts of Pakistan, just look at their history.
For some 40 or so years they have been killing and brutalizing each other non stop, along with other tribes in an around Afghanistan.

In Karachi, where they were settled as refugees, they caused riots where they butchered the poor Muhajjir( Muslims from UP-Bihar etc type areas who emigrated to Pakistan ) population.

Even in Pakistan where a lot of ummah chumma goes on these people are viewed with contempt among the Sindhis and Punjabis there, similarly in Iran by the Persian natives.

Anyway, enough OT, no use talking to kumbaya fools.
I agree on this.

There is shit in everyone's rectum but that isn't a reason to sabotage our own group for some other group.
The Pashtuns and Afghans are romanticised for their martial history from defeating British to Rusissn and than Muricans.
People fall in awe when they hear stories about them.
To me if they act against Indian interests they are just another hooligan group meant to be slaughtered.
No amount of Martial history, noble peace prize and Grammy awards gives u the right to harm my nation.

U can respect a elephant for its size, strength and majestic nature but if the same elephant comes to wreck your house than they are meant to be shot dead.
 

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