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Indian Army lt. col. in soup over Bangladeshi woman's link

 

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Jaipur: Retired Army men turn organic farmers - India News - IBNLive

 

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Army nabs NDFB rebels, informers in Udalguri dist - The Times of India

 

[sayareakd]

Re: Indian Army and DRDO co-operate to boost tank-killer Nag missile

good example of funny gsqr is sniper rifle with bayonet.

 

[Bhadra]

Re: Indian Army and DRDO co-operate to boost tank-killer Nag missile

some people have no idea how things work. First, army issue GSQR, then drdo starts its work, without GSQR they cannot work or else audit will hang them, except for some special black projects.
Nag is made as per GSQR, some time gsqr is funny, again it is for the user. For nag Gsqr said that 8 missies on carrier and 4 inside the carrier. When awked the reason for the same developer said, 'dont know why, we just followed Gsqr, we cant go without it'.

Saya I am pretty sure, Army wanted a missile for its larger forces and hand held launcher missile to replace SS11B1 and Milans and subsequently ******s (that time No ******s were there).

I have pretty good idea how things are forced upon others. Even if DODOs made a forty kg missile for a vehicle launcher so be it and it is welcome. But where is functioning . Leave all other issue aside.

I was elated to read that hype over "fire and forget" Now I am saddened to read that it is only "Forget" !

 

[Bhadra]

Re: Indian Army and DRDO co-operate to boost tank-killer Nag missile

good example of funny gsqr is sniper rifle with bayonet.

Then you have not seen that great sniper movie .. of Stalingrad.... since you are not brought up with Infantry ethos how would you know that bayonet is essential with every piece if infantry rifles .. if nothing else to open fruit and juice canes ...bayonet is the last resort of every Infantry soldier even if he be sniper.

Just leave the job to the professionals... rather than make such mockeries....

Actually you guys are forcing me too much .... is not it?

 

[Bhadra]

Re: Indian Army and DRDO co-operate to boost tank-killer Nag missile

The bayonet use remain good in theory, Its practical use is lesser and lesser since start of WW1..

Bayonet today on Rifle remain merely as protocol, Real hand to hand fight is hardly fought in traditional manner..

Agreed, but even today there is hand to hand fight. Infantry is an arm of CQB or it would have been left and passed over to Artillary. A knife which otherwise can be attached to rifle is always usefull many ways.

What do think about the CRPF massacre of Dantewada. Maximum casualties were in CQB where the insurgents did not leave even boots. you call that battle settled at 500 yards or a battle more worse than WWI. There is no such range in jungles.

Leave theory for a moment and get into practicality. Gorkhas win the CQB even today with their khukharies by chopping of even 250 gm missiles of enemy. That is what is infantry and not DODOs.

If logic is shouting let it be so !!

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: Indian Army and DRDO co-operate to boost tank-killer Nag missile

Agreed, but even today there is hand to hand fight. Infantry is an arm of CQB, A knife which otherwise can be attached to rifle is always usefull many ways.What do think about the CRPF massacre of Dantewada. Maximum casualties were in CQB where the insurgents did not leave even boots. Leave theory for a moment and get into practicality. Gorkas win the CQB even today with their khukharies.

I am not disagreeing on the matter of hand to hand combat but use of bayonet in traditional way is long gone and not practical any longer..

 

[Bhadra]

Re: Indian Army and DRDO co-operate to boost tank-killer Nag missile

I am not disagreeing on the matter of hand to hand combat but use of bayonet in traditional way is long gone and not practical any longer..

If Nagas and Mizos cut the soldiers with their Dahs ( long hatchets) after firing stopped in ambushes, if LTTE used to snatch away weapons and equipment, if the Naxlas even cut the feet of live CRPF men to take away their boots, what do you suggest the infantry man should fight the last battle with.

With bare hands and their teeth. What is your objection to a knife. A knife that can be attached to a rifle so that the stand off with enemy increases !

And who is arguing just for the heck of it. All soldiers the world over carry knives / bayonets. How come you are the only philosopher for Indian Army !

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: Indian Army and DRDO co-operate to boost tank-killer Nag missile

And who is arguing just for the heck of it. All soldiers the world over carry knives / bayonets. How come you are the only philosopher for Indian Army !

The way i see, you have understanding of what i told you..

But you like to play dumb..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Then you have not seen that great sniper movie .. of Stalingrad.... since you are not brought up with Infantry ethos how would you know that bayonet is essential with every piece if infantry rifles .. if nothing else to open fruit and juice canes ...bayonet is the last resort of every Infantry soldier even if he be sniper.

Just leave the job to the professionals... rather than make such mockeries....

Actually you guys are forcing me too much .... is not it?

The bayonet use remain good in theory, Its practical use is lesser and lesser since start of WW1..

Bayonet today on Rifle remain merely as protocol, Real hand to hand fight is hardly fought in traditional manner..

 

[Bhadra]

Ultimately, it is man called Infantry who decides on defeat or victory and stands on victory with his feet on top of a piece of ground.

All other only assist him.

And most often than not and ultimately it is close quarter battle ( of which bayonet is essential part) decides the outcome of the battle.

There are no arguments about that !

 

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Defamation case: HC asks Army officers to appear in court - India News - IBNLive

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Militant killed in encounter in Kashmir

A militant was on Tuesday (July 17) killed in an encounter with security forces in Handwara area in north Kashmir's Kupwara district. The gunbattle broke out between security forces and militants at Budh Shungani in Handwara area, 90 kms from Srinagar, official sources said.

Troops of 6 Rashtriya Rifles and police had launched an anti-militancy operation last night following information about movement of three to four militants in the area. They said one militant has been killed so far. The encounter was in progress till last reports came in. Six militants have been killed in three separate operations in Handwara area this month.

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India eyes Russia to overcome tank ammunition shortage

New Delhi, July 22, 2012, PTI:

Facing a critical shortage of ammunition for Army's fleet of T-90 and T-72 tanks after the blacklisting of an Israeli firm, the Defence Ministry is now looking to procure these shells from Russia.

The severe shortage of tank ammunition was first highlighted by then Army Chief Gen V K Singh in a top secret letter to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in March this year which later found its way to the media.

After the blacklisting of supplier of the FSAPDS (Fin Stabilized Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot) used by T-90 and T-72 tanks, Russia has now been approached for supplying these tank shells, Defence Ministry sources told PTI here.

A contract negotiation team under a Joint Secretary-level official had also gone to Moscow recently to discuss the price of FSAPDS ammunition but further parleys will have to be held to decide on the cost issue, they said.

To avoid such shortages in future, the Defence Ministry is also seeking a transfer of technology from the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) to produce the ammunition indigenously.

India eyes Russia to overcome tank ammunition shortage

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its strange that these old news are getting repeated with today`s dates ?

 

[kaustav2001]

An interesting read -

The infiltration by Pakistanis and positioning themselves on the various heights in Kargil must have been planned by GHQ Rawalpindi for a period of at least one year. On the intelligence front it implies that R&AW, the external intelligence agency was clueless and could not decipher the activity for almost one year.The chance discovery of the intrusions reported by a shepherd reflects that our intelligence agencies, i.e. IB and MI do not keep in close contact with the 'locals', who can provide primary intelligence!
Under normal principles of war, in any other country, the political leadership after permitting a small preparatory time to the military would order crossing of Line of Control (LoC) and to occupy Skardu from where the support to the intruders was being provided. This would have disrupted supplies to the intruders and their survival on those heights would have become near impossible over a period of time, and our forces sitting in Skardu would have posed a direct challenge to the Northern Areas, which would have put Pakistan on the back-foot.This sane action would have drastically reduced the number of casualties.
However, when the then Prime Minister asked the then Air Force Chief for advice, the former was told that if we crossed the LoC, it will escalate to a full-fledged war.This advice was neither here nor there, as it was obvious and a matter of commonsense.When an enemy dares to occupy your territory, the only sensible military response is to cut-off his supply lines in the rear and let the intruders starve on such great heights instead of taking huge casualties of young officers and men. Why did the prime minister not question the air chief on his advice and asked him for an alternative strategy to recover our land.
Were the prime minister and the air chief indulging in the widespread Indian culture of 'logic of convenience'?
The orders reportedly given by the principal secretary to the prime minister (not by the prime minister) to the military chiefs was air-power will not be used but the army is allowed 'hot-pursuit' in the area of ingress.
It is strange that in his ignorance, the principal secretary was asking the army to climb height ranging from 15000 – 20000 ft. in hot-pursuit to evict the intruders! Is it possible to run-up to chase the intruders to these heights? Is that a worthy political order to the military? Why did the prime minister not intervene with clear directive? Was the air chief being timid in his approach? Due to this totally incorrect method of war-fighting, we had to incur massive casualties and sacrifice more than five hundred young lives.
On the other hand, the army chief who was abroad on an official visit did not deem it necessary to return immediately and take charge of the situation. The explanation he gives is that nobody called him back.

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