Indian Army might get Pinaka rockets to counter Pakistan's mini-nuclear weapons

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Indian Army might get Pinaka rockets to counter Pakistan's mini-nuclear weapons
AJIT KUMAR DUBEY | NEW DELHI | TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 26, 2017
Sources in the government revealed that the Indian Army might get its hands on Pinaka rockets to counter Pakistan's threats on using tactical nuclear weapons.


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While Pakistani Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi has again flaunted his country's tactical nuclear weapons, NDA government sources said India has the option of developing the Pinaka guided rockets to match the mini-nukes of its western neighbour in the battlefield.

Abbasi said in the US this week that his country possesses tactical or battlefield nuclear weapons, which can be used to check the advance of Indian tank regiments as part of New Delhi's "cold-start war doctrine". "The Pakistanis have been flaunting their tactical nukes which they have developed with the help of the Chinese. At present, we don't have these weapons in our arsenal but if asked by the government, we have the option of developing the Pinaka guided rockets for delivering nuclear warheads at small ranges," government sources told Mail Today.
 

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??? How are tactical nuclear weapons countered by throwing tactical nuclear weapons. Pinaka opposite Nasr. I dont get it
Its not countering per se but its a "shift".

The key point is
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"While Pakistani Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi has again flaunted his country's tactical nuclear weapons, NDA government sources said India has the option of developing the Pinaka guided rockets to match the mini-nukes of its western neighbour in the battlefield."
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pakistani administration and their propagandoo media always bring the TACTICAL PUKES flaunting it.
The pakistanis was having a field day with paki tactical pukes vs cold start doctrine.


The reason was INDIA relies on the DOCTRINE.
pakistanis "assume" that by having tactical nukes and nuking on their own land India wont bring the DOCTRINE into effect and TOTAL pakistan with a retaliatory strike .( by their inbred paki logic pakistan ASS UMES-where we all know pakis think with their asses, as in what can pakis get done with loaning out their asses...So.yeah..by paki logic, paki thinks that INDIA wont exercise a TOTAL massive attack In and as a response to tactical nuke on India or Indian army)


So to counter this propaganda India is GETTING REAL if needed Pinaka guided rockets can be used for delivering nuclear warheads at small ranges.

Next time pakistaniyat(dumbness) takes a rush in the paki admins inbred brains about their tactical pukes, they already know India has the option to match it delivering more tactical nukes into the paki land along with their own paki tactical pukes also India have the option to TOTAL pakistan matching the doctrine.

Actually, pakistan with its rhetoric gave LIVE flexibility to Indian position .

Many thanks to the stupid dumb pakistanis who cant keep their mouth nor ass shut on critical matters.

This media statement from India is the FLEXIBILITY available with India, making pakistans position more vulnerable.

India always have the right answers!!
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??? How are tactical nuclear weapons countered by throwing tactical nuclear weapons. Pinaka opposite Nasr. I dont get it
i think this idea is correct.....a tectical 100t nuke has a effective radius of around 200m , might damage 4 tanks and few armyman in a forward moving formation....i do not think PM going to order a massive nuclear strick on a city after that to kill millions of civilians ...
 

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adding to what @sorcerer said I think that we are forcing the al bakis down the same path which the Yankees forced Ivan the terrible down crumble by dick measuring hehehehehheh.......
pakis are so high on their burps and capability that they think they can counter the massively huge India. :D
(pakis always have this mindset that they are the only nation in Asia which is checking India :D -part is their ignorance and part is their suicide mentality for such deductions)

So from time to time India has to show pakistan its place .
For a LOOOONG TIME, them paki has been talking about tactical pukes..now lets see how it materializes.
if pakis go into another rhetoric India will soon have the tactical nukes with pinaka.(or does we already have )
Well!! dont know how much chinese will like that tho, forcing India to have deployable tactical nukes in its divisions:D cuz of pakistani pestering.

Another thing is, having some tactical nukes with India is good, if paki chose to burn themselves we have to fire a few more into it to help paki in their endeavor.
 

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pakis are so high on their burps and capability that they think they can counter the massively huge India. :D
(pakis always have this mindset that they are the only nation in Asia which is checking India :D -part is their ignorance and part is their suicide mentality for such deductions)

So from time to time India has to show pakistan its place .
For a LOOOONG TIME, them paki has been talking about tactical pukes..now lets see how it materializes.
if pakis go into another rhetoric India will soon have the tactical nukes with pinaka.(or does we already have )
Well!! dont know how much chinese will like that tho, forcing India to have deployable tactical nukes in its divisions:D cuz of pakistani pestering.

Another thing is, having some tactical nukes with India is good, if paki chose to burn themselves we have to fire a few more into it to help paki in their endeavor.
so what next the al bakis will claim that they can fart nuclear bums and their Pakjabi regiments (actually converted Madras army regiments :pound::pound::pound:) soldiers are INBs(individual Nuclear bombs )
 

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What does Pinaka do?

Is it to be nuclear armed. Do we have warhead small enough for it.

But my suggestion, which has already been echoed by me and others is that any nuclear weapon use on Indian troops whether these are on Indian territory or leading a punishing charge on Pakistan in Pakistani territory and for that reason any attack on any installation in India is to be considered a nuclear attack. Hence a major strategic retaliatory strike is called for. That strike should reduce Pakistan to Stone Age.

There is no need to develop and waste money on tiny nuclear weapons.

Get all their nine nuclear storage sites and then all their major military centres. Last case destroy Lahore, Karachi, Rawalpindi, Sargodha, Multan and any other city.
 

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Its not countering per se but its a "shift".

The key point is
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"While Pakistani Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi has again flaunted his country's tactical nuclear weapons, NDA government sources said India has the option of developing the Pinaka guided rockets to match the mini-nukes of its western neighbour in the battlefield."
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pakistani administration and their propagandoo media always bring the TACTICAL PUKES flaunting it.
The pakistanis was having a field day with paki tactical pukes vs cold start doctrine.


The reason was INDIA relies on the DOCTRINE.
pakistanis "assume" that by having tactical nukes and nuking on their own land India wont bring the DOCTRINE into effect and TOTAL pakistan with a retaliatory strike .( by their inbred paki logic pakistan ASS UMES-where we all know pakis think with their asses, as in what can pakis get done with loaning out their asses...So.yeah..by paki logic, paki thinks that INDIA wont exercise a TOTAL massive attack In and as a response to tactical nuke on India or Indian army)


So to counter this propaganda India is GETTING REAL if needed Pinaka guided rockets can be used for delivering nuclear warheads at small ranges.

Next time pakistaniyat(dumbness) takes a rush in the paki admins inbred brains about their tactical pukes, they already know India has the option to match it delivering more tactical nukes into the paki land along with their own paki tactical pukes also India have the option to TOTAL pakistan matching the doctrine.

Actually, pakistan with its rhetoric gave LIVE flexibility to Indian position .

Many thanks to the stupid dumb pakistanis who cant keep their mouth nor ass shut on critical matters.

This media statement from India is the FLEXIBILITY available with India, making pakistans position more vulnerable.

India always have the right answers!!
Advantage India
In short...mind games...and playing to the gallery

But what about our real tactical nuke capability? Do we have anything weaponized?
 

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The Pakis don't seem to have a clue on the effectiveness or lack of it of tactical nuclear weapons but keep shooting their big mouths that these are an effective counter to India's Cold Start doctrine. Really?

Ok let’s do some math instead of the usual Paki jingoism.


For a max 5kt warhead (max 5kt warhead on Nasr which is between 1 to 5 kt)

– Blast and fireball radius 500m or approx < 2 sq km


Own Integrated Combat Group frontage < > 10 km with two combat teams up. Depth < > 5 km. Total area covered approx 50 sq km.


How many nukes would be required to destroy one CG? 25.

Our initial strike across the IB will be with 10 -15 combat groups advancing simultaneously. Total area covered < > 500 sq km.


Minimum battlefield nukes needed to destroy the CGs > 250 Nasrs!


That’s a hell of a lot of Nasrs required! Remember, all tanks and armored personnel carriers are well protected from nuclear radiation. There will be no infantry out in the open.


So, going a step further, 250x5 kt =1250 kt ie, equal to the yield of 65 Hiroshima atom bombs on Pakistani territory (as these will be employed only after the CGs have penetrated deep into Pakistan and would be used as a last resort!!)

What would be left of Eastern Pakistan?

It’s like cutting off your nose to spite your face!

In addition to that, Indian nuke doctrine mentions massive retaliation after the first nuke is fired by the Pakis. So, in addition to the first strike which will necessarily be counter force, meaning destruction of air bases, missile sites, troop concentrations logistics bases, etc, it may be followed by counter value strikes ie, destruction of Pak's industrial base and targeting population centres etc. However, the latter would be as a last resort.

Thus, before the Pakis can fire off all their Nasrs at our advancing armored columns, they will be in no position to stop them as most of their nuke assets would have been destroyed by then.

So these frikkin Pakis need to STFU about the effectiveness of the so called 'tactical nukes' which have not even been tested as yet! They have no counter to the Cold Start doctrine. Period!



 

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In short...mind games...and playing to the gallery

But what about our real tactical nuke capability? Do we have anything weaponized?
They said pinaka can be weponized.
So that puts that paki game at rest and its a statement that India has a solution readily available.

Do we have anything..Well!!
If we have anything pakis will get it first hand :D
 
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What does Pinaka do?

Is it to be nuclear armed. Do we have warhead small enough for it.

But my suggestion, which has already been echoed by me and others is that any nuclear weapon use on Indian troops whether these are on Indian territory or leading a punishing charge on Pakistan in Pakistani territory and for that reason any attack on any installation in India is to be considered a nuclear attack. Hence a major strategic retaliatory strike is called for. That strike should reduce Pakistan to Stone Age.

There is no need to develop and waste money on tiny nuclear weapons.

Get all their nine nuclear storage sites and then all their major military centres. Last case destroy Lahore, Karachi, Rawalpindi, Sargodha, Multan and any other city.
We should develop tactical nukes and weaponize them - brings more options to the table.
Our nuclear doctrine is not coherent - it's all or nothing scenario - that is very dangerous and leaves no space to maneuver - which can make it useless.
A good nuclear doctrine allows for gradual escalation leading to MAD. Gradual escalation will have multiple negotiating points and safety valves - this makes deterrence more credible. Enemy will know that we have nukes and we will use then in a tit for tat scenario.
Imagine a scenario like Pak non-state actors getting hold of a Pak nuke or North Korean nuke and uses it on Indian soil? Worse- what if it is a tactical nuke? Or the attack is on Indians away from Indian soil? How do we respond? Under current doctrine, we blow up the world (probably won't happen) or do "kaadi ninda" and digest it. That is not acceptable.
 

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Yes, Prahar is a complete answer to Pakistani short range tactical nuclear missiles.

But the key is not matching missile with missile, but sending a devastating blow to any use of even a small tactical device on India or Indian troops gone to punish Pakistan in Pakistani territory.

The Pinaka is not built for that purpose. To dissuade Pakistan from touching the nuclear trigger is to threaten it with an unmatched destruction.
 

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We should develop tactical nukes and weaponize them - brings more options to the table.
Our nuclear doctrine is not coherent - it's all or nothing scenario - that is very dangerous and leaves no space to maneuver - which can make it useless.
A good nuclear doctrine allows for gradual escalation leading to MAD. Gradual escalation will have multiple negotiating points and safety valves - this makes deterrence more credible. Enemy will know that we have nukes and we will use then in a tit for tat scenario.
Imagine a scenario like Pak non-state actors getting hold of a Pak nuke or North Korean nuke and uses it on Indian soil? Worse- what if it is a tactical nuke? Or the attack is on Indians away from Indian soil? How do we respond? Under current doctrine, we blow up the world (probably won't happen) or do "kaadi ninda" and digest it. That is not acceptable.
Would like to clear few things reg our nuke doctrine and deterence. Deterence works till the time nuke is not used. The moment nuke is used tactical or otherwise, its breakdown of deterence. Then its all about response.
Tactical nukes are destabilising in nature. If India also decides to field tactical nukes it will be lowering the nuclear threshold in case of a conflict. Our nuclear doctrine covers all aspects of nuke attack. It includes the use of nukes on Indian forces on Indian or enemy territory. In case the deterrent breaks why should India match with what the adversary did to us. Our response mentions massive response(MR). Paki using a tactical nuke is an enough reason to send them to stone age. And we do not blow up the world, we only blow up Pakis. Also our doctrine follows counter value response which means we will prefer to nuke Paki millitary installations rather than cities thus limiting casualties and decapitating it for further attack and bring it to negotitiation on knees. Coming to MAD it is for super powers who can survive multiple nuke hits. It was created for USA vs USsR equation. Pak cannot survive a second nuclear attack. It will be finished by the first retaliation itself. IMO our doctrine is fine against Pak. The only improvement required was removal of NFU which probably has been done (as Parrikar hinted). So now India should not wait to be nuked in order to retaliate but should act preemptively. That is how a nation should secure its safety.
 

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