Indian Army Artillery

[Chinmoy]

Unfortunately, I had no luck with his URLs but thanks.

May be this could help you.

 

[Blood+]

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May be this could help you.

Yeah, well, thanks, I guess I should have framed my question better. What I actually meant to ask was the structural component of a typical Army formation. Let's say, for example, that a brigade: how many infantry battalions, what kind of support elements go along with them, and what about the artillery component? Stuff like that. I just wanted to compare this with the compositions of other major ground armies like those of the USA, Russia, and China.

 

[Chinmoy]

Yeah, well, thanks, I guess I should have framed my question better. What I actually meant to ask was the structural component of a typical Army formation. Let's say, for example, that a brigade: how many infantry battalions, what kind of support elements go along with them, and what about the artillery component? Stuff like that. I just wanted to compare this with the compositions of other major ground armies like those of the USA, Russia, and China.

A Brigade of Infantry consists of three infantry battalions in usual along with several services & arms. Along with the presence of Brigades in different Divisions of Army, our Army also consists of five Armor Brigades that are independent. Also, the Indian Army has fifteen Brigades of Independent Artillery along with seven Brigades of Independent Infantry, one Brigade of Independent Parachute, three Brigades of Independent Air Defense, two groups of Independent Air Defense and four Engineer Brigades that are Independent. All of the Independent Brigades are directly headed by the commander of Corps.

Each Artillery brigade generally comprises of 3 to 4 regiments depending on type of asset.

 

[Blood+]

A Brigade of Infantry consists of three infantry battalions in usual along with several services & arms. Along with the presence of Brigades in different Divisions of Army, our Army also consists of five Armor Brigades that are independent. Also, the Indian Army has fifteen Brigades of Independent Artillery along with seven Brigades of Independent Infantry, one Brigade of Independent Parachute, three Brigades of Independent Air Defense, two groups of Independent Air Defense and four Engineer Brigades that are Independent. All of the Independent Brigades are directly headed by the commander of Corps.

Each Artillery brigade generally comprises of 3 to 4 regiments depending on type of asset.

Ok, thanks. Could you shed some light on organic the artillery detachment of a typical infantry brigade of the Indian Army, like its size and composition.
For example, I found these infographics online while researching about the big three
1. PLA -

As can be seen, a typical artillery detachment of regular PLA Brigade is supposed to comprise 27 pieces of tube artillery (of 122mm caliber) and 9 MRLS (again, 122mm caliber).

2. For the USA, it's like the following:

So, 18 howitzers per Brigade.

And lastly, for Russia, a typical motor rifle brigade has an artillery detachment of 36 152mm SPGH and 18 MLRS of 122mm caliber...................no kill like overkill, I guess.

But I couldn't find any info about the Indian Army.

 

[Blood+]

Ok, here's something I found in BRF. Although it's the divisional artillery complement, we can still make an estimation for a brigade from this.

 

[jai jaganath]

Sorry guys cross posting but things can be discussed if wanted

 

[prateikf]

A worrisome development with SH-15 truck mounted artillery being deployed by Pakistan at the LOC.

China helps Pakistan build defence infrastructure along LoC, says officials

The officials said that the recently developed SH-15, a 155 mm truck-mounted howitzer gun, has also been spotted at some places along the Line of Control (LoC) after it was displayed on Pakistan Day last year.

www.indiatoday.in

 

[AnantS]

A worrisome development with SH-15 truck mounted artillery being deployed by Pakistan at the LOC.

China helps Pakistan build defence infrastructure along LoC, says officials

The officials said that the recently developed SH-15, a 155 mm truck-mounted howitzer gun, has also been spotted at some places along the Line of Control (LoC) after it was displayed on Pakistan Day last year.

www.indiatoday.in

Just fasten development of MArG & ATAGS and Get Range Enhanced Swati Radars. From jumping in joy for SH15 they shall be SH18 bricks

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Just fasten development of MArG & ATAGS and Get Range Enhanced Swati Radars. From jumping in joy for SH15 they shall be SH18 bricks

A better investment than Swathi will be long range recon drones, they have almost replaced radars as the new form of counter battery fire.

They might not work that well against china, but against pak, with little to no shorad, it will wreak havoc.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Ok, thanks. Could you shed some light on organic the artillery detachment of a typical infantry brigade of the Indian Army, like its size and composition.
For example, I found these infographics online while researching about the big three
1. PLA -
View attachment 200048

As can be seen, a typical artillery detachment of regular PLA Brigade is supposed to comprise 27 pieces of tube artillery (of 122mm caliber) and 9 MRLS (again, 122mm caliber).

2. For the USA, it's like the following:
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So, 18 howitzers per Brigade.

And lastly, for Russia, a typical motor rifle brigade has an artillery detachment of 36 152mm SPGH and 18 MLRS of 122mm caliber...................no kill like overkill, I guess.

But I couldn't find any info about the Indian Army.

Ahh fellow battle order enjoyer.

 

[AnantS]

A better investment than Swathi will be long range recon drones, they have almost replaced radars as the new form of counter battery fire.

They might not work that well against china, but against pak, with little to no shorad, it will wreak havoc.

Both have used. Drones are for preemptive action. WLR are for Aftermath(of artillery barrage) actions.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Both have used. Drones are for preemptive action. WLR are for Aftermath(of artillery barrage) actions.

Drones are used for aftermath also. Artillery firing shells is not hard to spot from drones, they can be used to identify locations of fire.

While radars are better, they are also more expensive.

 

[AnantS]

Drones are used for aftermath also. Artillery firing shells is not hard to spot from drones, they can be used to identify locations of fire.

While radars are better, they are also more expensive.

IIUC - Provided one is only using GPS/GLONASS guided shell, then yes gps positioning of artillery guns could be accurately provided by drones. How much useful it shall be for non guided shells?

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

IIUC - Provided one is only using GPS/GLONASS guided shell, then yes gps positioning of artillery guns could be accurately provided by drones. How much useful it shall be for non guided shells?

Why would GPS shells make a difference lmao

 

[prateikf]

Just fasten development of MArG & ATAGS and Get Range Enhanced Swati Radars. From jumping in joy for SH15 they shall be SH18 bricks

But at the moment that’s just wishful thinking. It’s indeed shocking that Pak army, despite it’s weak economy, manages to get 300 SH-15 truck mounted howitzers while we seem lost in our labyrinth of testing, DAC approval, Finance Ministry approval, CCS approval etc. Either the Marg or the truck mounted ATAGS need to be inducted at the earliest.

 

[AnantS]

Testing bin kuch naa hot. MArG abhi testing chaloo bhi nahin hui, still in development. Pakistan is a country with rentier army. Any country who has some geopolitical goal against India, uses it by handing it few toys. Thats how things have been since 47. Rest assured, pakistan shall use them to their own peril.

 

[AnantS]

Why would GPS shells make a difference lmao

Well do tell me how is ranging and targeting carried out by drones? Do shed light..

 

[Chinmoy]

Well do tell me how is ranging and targeting carried out by drones? Do shed light..

They provide you the general co-ordinates of target. You put that into your gun firing solution and fire off the dumb rounds.

Drones here are basically replacing the FOP.

 

[Bleh]

But at the moment that’s just wishful thinking. It’s indeed shocking that Pak army, despite it’s weak economy, manages to get 300 SH-15 truck mounted howitzers while we seem lost in our labyrinth of testing, DAC approval, Finance Ministry approval, CCS approval etc. Either the Marg or the truck mounted ATAGS need to be inducted at the earliest.

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That's the advantage of being an Army in control of a nation... They run like a merc organisation. Everyone involved if taking a fat cut & won't have to care about anyone questioning. So they can much more quickly make acquisitions.

Here you'll have to prove the fairness on tender & trails, then only you can get official clearance & find to go through

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Well do tell me how is ranging and targeting carried out by drones? Do shed light..

Artillery can be obscured, but cant be hidden from a drone in the sky, especially when firing. Drone sends back location for other artillery systems to hit, or for loitering munitions, drone itself crashes into artillery and destroys that way.