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This article states each 155 mm shell costs 1 lakh rupees


But the excalibur rounds cost around 60000 dollars. each
I think I picked up the number from a baba Kalyani interview when the opening of arty ranges for private companies testing was being discussed.
 

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This article states each 155 mm shell costs 1 lakh rupees


But the excalibur rounds cost around 60000 dollars. each
Check this Sandeep Unnithan report, shell cost is 10 lakh as per him.

When you add Bi-modular charge + GST, probably will get around the same cost.

 

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So it is being referred throughout as "Gun" and nowhere as a Howitzer... That will impose limitations...
The upgrade has helped improve
1) Range
2) Logistics (No need to maintain a separate supply of 130mm)

Don't know its original angle of elevation and if there's been an increase in the same after the upgrade.

IMO, if max angle of elevation cannot exceed 65 degrees, gun does not qualify as a howitzer.
Experts please shed light.

TBH, anything that helps increase range is welcome instead of mothballing the same under the current circumstances.
 

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Check this Sandeep Unnithan report, shell cost is 10 lakh as per him.

When you add Bi-modular charge + GST, probably will get around the same cost.


One HE ERFB BT Shell and Primer M19l-A2 shell cost about 63000 Rs. An ordinary HE shell should no go beyond Rs 50000 for Indian Forces.
 

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The upgrade has helped improve
1) Range
2) Logistics (No need to maintain a separate supply of 130mm)

Don't know its original angle of elevation and if there's been an increase in the same after the upgrade.

IMO, if max angle of elevation cannot exceed 65 degrees, gun does not qualify as a howitzer.
Experts please shed light.

TBH, anything that helps increase range is welcome instead of mothballing the same under the current circumstances.
What I meant is that if it is a gun (has to be because the mount and carriage remain that of 130mm) then it is for plains and deserts and will have difficulty in utilization in mountains..

Bofors, Dhanus, ATAGS, ATHOS are a howitzer system.

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Indian Army will go for Truck Mounted ULH Trials soon

Recently, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) has announced a negative list of 101 defence items that the MoD will stop importing several weapons and systems that also included 155mm,39 Cal Ultra-Light Howzitzer by Dec 2020 which means imports of more BAE Systems M777 Ultra Lightweight Howitzers for the Indian Army will be no longer be possible and local substitute developed by Kalyani Group has been waiting for Indian Army trials for a while now and it is about to change as per information provided to idrw.org. Kalyani Group has completed Internal Trials of the Ultralight 155mm,39 Cal has been offering Indian Army its all-steel ULH mounted on an Ashok Leyland Truck developed based on inputs from then-Army Chief General Bipin Rawat. Kalyani Group has developed 155mm,39 Cal All Steel, 155mm,39 Cal Titanium, and 155mm,39 Cal Advance Hybrid recoil versions that are on offer to the Indian Army. Kalyani Group at DefExpo2020 has showcased its latest Artillery Systems called Mountain Artillery Gun (MArG) Extended Range Ultra-Light Howitzer with 155 mm / 52 caliber long-range ULH in towed version. New MArG was an up-gunned from its 155 mm / 39 caliber sibling. Installation of all-steel ULH on an Ashok Leyland Mk.4 general utility truck for mobility in the mountainous terrain going for Trials is specially developed for High altitude regions where the deployment of Heavy Artillery can be logistically difficult.
 

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Indian Army will go for Truck Mounted ULH Trials soon

Recently, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) has announced a negative list of 101 defence items that the MoD will stop importing several weapons and systems that also included 155mm,39 Cal Ultra-Light Howzitzer by Dec 2020 which means imports of more BAE Systems M777 Ultra Lightweight Howitzers for the Indian Army will be no longer be possible and local substitute developed by Kalyani Group has been waiting for Indian Army trials for a while now and it is about to change as per information provided to idrw.org. Kalyani Group has completed Internal Trials of the Ultralight 155mm,39 Cal has been offering Indian Army its all-steel ULH mounted on an Ashok Leyland Truck developed based on inputs from then-Army Chief General Bipin Rawat. Kalyani Group has developed 155mm,39 Cal All Steel, 155mm,39 Cal Titanium, and 155mm,39 Cal Advance Hybrid recoil versions that are on offer to the Indian Army. Kalyani Group at DefExpo2020 has showcased its latest Artillery Systems called Mountain Artillery Gun (MArG) Extended Range Ultra-Light Howitzer with 155 mm / 52 caliber long-range ULH in towed version. New MArG was an up-gunned from its 155 mm / 39 caliber sibling. Installation of all-steel ULH on an Ashok Leyland Mk.4 general utility truck for mobility in the mountainous terrain going for Trials is specially developed for High altitude regions where the deployment of Heavy Artillery can be logistically difficult.
I hope they also develop truck mounted version of 155/52.
 

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Bharat Forge artillery gun in final trials before sale to Indian Army

Company developing four platforms, all 100 percent indigenous, which are are in various stages of trials

One of four artillery guns developed by Bharat Forge is learnt to have reached the final stage of testing with the Indian Army.

During a recent analyst call after the announcement of the Pune-based company’s June quarter financial results, a top official said that all four gun platforms developed by it are in various stages of trials.

“We have gone through four sets of trials for the first gun and three sets of trials for the second gun. Once the last phase of trials is over we are ready for the sale process to begin,” said Amit Kalyani, Deputy Managing Director, Bharat Forge.

Bharat Forge is set to benefit hugely from the reform initiative kick-started by the Ministry of Defence wherein restrictions have been imposed on import of 101 weapons and military platforms. The initiative, announced on August 9, includes artillery guns.

The towed artillery gun (155mm x 52 Calibre), which is part of the import embargo, has been developed by Bharat Forge. Called Bharat 52 and classified as an Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), it is the first gun built by the Kalyani Group.

Weighing 15 tonnes, Bharat 52 has a firing range of more than 48 km and has a self-propelled ground speed of 20 km per hour. It can fire six rounds in 30 seconds.

ATAGS is considered to be one of the most advanced field artillery systems in the world but India is yet to induct them. In 2016 India ordered 145 howitzers (also an artillery gun) from the US for $750 million. The 155mm x 39 calibre ultra-light howitzers have a range of 24-39 km, which is much lower than the Bharat 52 ATAGS.

With the private sector being allowed to take part in defence production, Indian companies have been keen participants. In 2018, Mahindra Defence tied up with US-based BAE Systems to manufacture M777 howitzers.

Ashok Leyland is engaged in making Field Artillery Tractors, which are also in the 101 restricted items.

Fully local

“All the products that we are making are 100 percent local — they are 100 percent designed, engineered and developed locally. Three artillery guns are in advanced stages of testing. One is in the final stage of testing — it has gone through all the tests; it is the user test which is now going on this month,” Kalyani added.

The Indian Army is reportedly looking to procure about 150 ATAGS. Depending on the add-ons and the level of technology, each ATAGS can be priced up to Rs 15 crore, said Kalyani.

“The products that we have focussed on, all of them are meant for domestic manufacturing. And in certain products such as artillery guns, it is very clear that there is nobody as competitive as us either in technology or on an overall basis, so we are looking forward to the conclusion of our final trials,” he added.

Three-horizon strategy

Bharat Forge is following what it calls a three-horizon strategy. Horizon One has products such as artillery guns, some armoured vehicles, and some speciality vehicles. Horizon Two also has specialty vehicles. Horizon Three has electronics and high-end technology.

“Now, based on the announcements, we will deepen our capability within these product segments and add strength in areas that we need. But I do not think we are going to go into newer areas like building ships” said Kalyani.

Bharat Forge is also looking for markets outside India for its military hardware. But, with riders. “Selling defence items to a responsible nation like India is easy. Now, there are many countries that buy weapons where we do not know what they do with it. India has never been an aggressor anywhere, so I want to sell to places where it is safe to sell and where it is advisable to sell.” said Kalyani.

 

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Bharat Forge artillery gun in final trials before sale to Indian Army
One of four artillery guns developed by Bharat Forge is learnt to have reached the final stage of testing with the Indian Army.

During a recent analyst call after the announcement of the Pune-based company’s June quarter financial results, a top official said that all four gun platforms developed by it are in various stages of trials.

“We have gone through four sets of trials for the first gun and three sets of trials for the second gun. Once the last phase of trials is over we are ready for the sale process to begin,” said Amit Kalyani, Deputy Managing Director, Bharat Forge.

Bharat Forge is set to benefit hugely from the reform initiative kick-started by the Ministry of Defence wherein restrictions have been imposed on import of 101 weapons and military platforms. The initiative, announced on August 9, includes artillery guns.

The towed artillery gun (155mm x 52 Calibre), which is part of the import embargo, has been developed by Bharat Forge. Called Bharat 52 and classified as an Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), it is the first gun built by the Kalyani Group.

Weighing 15 tonnes, Bharat 52 has a firing range of more than 48 km and has a self-propelled ground speed of 20 km per hour. It can fire six rounds in 30 seconds.

ATAGS is considered to be one of the most advanced field artillery systems in the world but India is yet to induct them. In 2016 India ordered 145 howitzers (also an artillery gun) from the US for $750 million. The 155mm x 39 calibre ultra-light howitzers have a range of 24-39 km, which is much lower than the Bharat 52 ATAGS.

With the private sector being allowed to take part in defence production, Indian companies have been keen participants. In 2018, Mahindra Defence tied up with US-based BAE Systems to manufacture M777 howitzers.

Ashok Leyland is engaged in making Field Artillery Tractors, which are also in the 101 restricted items.

Fully local

“All the products that we are making are 100 percent local — they are 100 percent designed, engineered and developed locally. Three artillery guns are in advanced stages of testing. One is in the final stage of testing — it has gone through all the tests; it is the user test which is now going on this month,” Kalyani added.

The Indian Army is reportedly looking to procure about 150 ATAGS. Depending on the add-ons and the level of technology, each ATAGS can be priced up to Rs 15 crore, said Kalyani.

“The products that we have focussed on, all of them are meant for domestic manufacturing. And in certain products such as artillery guns, it is very clear that there is nobody as competitive as us either in technology or on an overall basis, so we are looking forward to the conclusion of our final trials,” he added.

Three-horizon strategy

Bharat Forge is following what it calls a three-horizon strategy. Horizon One has products such as artillery guns, some armoured vehicles, and some speciality vehicles. Horizon Two also has specialty vehicles. Horizon Three has electronics and high-end technology.

“Now, based on the announcements, we will deepen our capability within these product segments and add strength in areas that we need. But I do not think we are going to go into newer areas like building ships” said Kalyani.

Bharat Forge is also looking for markets outside India for its military hardware. But, with riders. “Selling defence items to a responsible nation like India is easy. Now, there are many countries that buy weapons where we do not know what they do with it. India has never been an aggressor anywhere, so I want to sell to places where it is safe to sell and where it is advisable to sell.” said Kalyani.
 

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Bharat Forge Conducts Final Trials of Bharat-52 Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System
Bharat Forge, part of Kalyani Group, has conducted final trials of its Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System Bharat-52 before the delivery to the Indian army.




The Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS) project was started in 2013 by Indian DRDO (Defence Research and Development Organisation) to replace older guns in service in the Indian Army with a modern 155mm artillery gun. DRDO laboratory Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE) partnered with private players Bharat Forge Limited, Mahindra Defence Naval System, Tata Power Strategic Engineering Division and public sector unit Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) for this purpose.



In July 2016, DRDO has conducted the proof firing of armament for the 155/52 Calibre Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System. During trials in 2017, ATAGS broke the world record for a 155 mm gun by firing the round to a distance of 47.2 kilometres. It again registered a maximum distance of 48.074 kilometres with high explosive–base bleed (HE–BB) ammunition, surpassing the maximum ranges fired by any artillery gun system in this category.



According to Indian military sources, in August 2018, Defence Acquisition Council approved the procurement of 150 ATAGS with an estimated cost of US$470 million.



Citing Indian defence magazine, the gun of the Bharat 52 consists of a barrel, breech mechanism, muzzle brake and recoil mechanism to fire 155 mm Calibre ammunition with a firing range of 40 km. It has an all-electric drive to ensure reliability and minimum maintenance over a long period of time. It has advanced features like high mobility, quick deployability, auxiliary power mode, advanced communication system, automatic command and control system with night capability in direct fire mode. The gun is two-ton lighter than guns in the same category and is designed to provide better accuracy and range and is capable of firing five successive rounds in a short duration. It is also compatible with ACCCS-Shakti command and control network of the Indian Army.

The Bharat-52 can be easily deployed with a team of six crew members in one minute during day time and 1.5 minutes during night time. It has a total weight of 15 tons, elevation angle from -3° to +72° with a speed of 5° per second. The Bharat-52 is equipped with a fully Load Assist System (LAS) with a manual backup arrangement offering a burst rate of fire of 3 rounds in 30 seconds, 16 rounds in 3 minutes in the intense rate of fire, and 42 rounds in one hour in sustained rate of fire.
 

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Bofors at work.

Interesting that these
ICS are fairly recent (masks) and that it seems to be at their manufacturing plant. Something cooking?
Something at work? We can only hope so.


In this video at School of Artillery, Devlali, you can conspicuously see Bharat Forge ULH behind the general. (1:33)

It seems Bharat Forge is getting close with the IA, that much is sure. All alternative Indian products should be visible to the users. And developers should work in tandem with the users.
 
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