Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[IndianHawk]

So no new rafale will come before 2027 -28.

 

[patriots]

More details...........................................

 

[IndianHawk]

More details...........................................

Finally Astra is coming in huge numbers. IAF is clearly very very impressed by it. It will probably replace most of r77 in service.

Also 1000km land attack cruise.. just wow..

 

[fire starter]

117 mn a pop or am I missing something.

 

[fire starter]

Does anyone know why they are costing almost double?

 

[IndianHawk]

Does anyone know why they are costing almost double?

Nope HAL will have to explain. Maybe performance based logistics agreement for higher availability .

Anyway that 425 crore figure was based on 2008 or 2012 price so it was never going to work.

 

[Neptune]

Finally Astra is coming in huge numbers. IAF is clearly very very impressed by it. It will probably replace most of r77 in service.

Also 1000km land attack cruise.. just wow..

1.The Meteor is not compatible with platforms that use the R-77.

2. France would probably never allow integration of Meteors onto foreign platforms.

3. It would be costly and difficult to integrate Meteor, even if France allowed.

4. Most aircraft besides the MKI, Rafale don’t have powerful enough radar to take advantage of the Meteor’s range.

5. India recently ordered large batches of the R-77 RVV-AE amongst other missile types.

 

[IndianHawk]

1.The Meteor is not compatible with platforms that use the R-77.

2. France would probably never allow integration of Meteors onto foreign platforms.

3. It would be costly and difficult to integrate Meteor, even if France allowed.

4. Most aircraft besides the MKI, Rafale don’t have powerful enough radar to take advantage of the Meteor’s range.

5. India recently ordered large batches of the R-77 RVV-AE amongst other missile types.

My post was regarding Astra not meteor.

 

[rohit b3]

Now everyone will make money lol. Russia, Israel, France... Wait, what about US?

 

[IndianHawk]

Now everyone will make money lol. Russia, Israel, France... Wait, what about US?

Selling Excalibur shells for m777.

 

[WolfPack86]

India's DAC clears proposal to buy 21 Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29s, 12 Sukhoi Su-30MKIs from Russia
Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) on Thursday approved the proposal for procurement of 21 MIG-29 along with upgradation of existing 59 Mig-29 aircraft and procurement of 12 Su-30 MKI aircraft from Russia.

NEW DELHI: The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) on Thursday approved the proposal for procurement of 21 MIG-29 along with upgradation of existing 59 Mig-29 aircraft and procurement of 12 Su-30 MKI aircraft from Russia.


While the MIG 29 procurement and upgradation from Russia is estimated to cost Rs 7418 crore, the Su-30 MKI will be procured from HAL at an estimated cost of Rs 10730 crore, the Defence Ministry said in a statement.


“In the current situation and the need to strengthen the Armed Forces for the Defence of our borders and in line with Prime Minister’s clarion call for ‘Atma Nirbhar Bharat’, the Defence Acquisition Council in its meeting of July 2, 2020, held under the Chairmanship of Defence Minister Rajnath Singh accorded approval for capital acquisitions of various platforms and equipment required by the Indian Armed Forces,” the statement said.

'The proposals for an approximate cost of Rs 38900 Cr were approved. With a focus on indigenous design and development, these approvals include acquisitions from Indian Industry of Rs 31130 Cr. All equipment are to be manufactured in India involving the Defence Industry with the participation of several MSMEs as prime-tier vendors. The Indigenous content in some of these projects is up to 80% of the project cost. A large number of these projects have been made possible due to Transfer of Technology by DRDO to the Indigenous Industry. These include Pinaka ammunitions, BMP armament upgrades and Software Defined Radios for the Army, Long Range Land Attack Cruise Missile Systems and Astra Missiles for Navy and Air Force. The cost of these Design and Development proposals is in the range of Rs 20400 cr.” the DAC said in a release.

Acquisition of new and additional missile systems will add to the firepower of three armed services, it added. While the acquisition of Pinaka missile systems will enable raising additional regiments over and above the ones already inducted, the addition of Long-Range Land Attack Missile Systems having a firing range of 1000 Km to the existing arsenal will bolster the attack capabilities of the Navy and the Air Force, the DAC release said.


Similarly, induction of Astra Missiles having Beyond Visual Range capability will serve as a force multiplier and immensely add to the strike capability of Navy and Air Force. Further, addressing the long-felt need of the Indian Air Force to increase its fighter squadrons, the DAC also approved the proposal for procurement of 21 MIG-29 along with upgradation of existing 59 Mig-29 aircraft and procurement of 12 Su-30 MKI aircraft.

While the MIG 29 procurement and upgradation from Russia is estimated to cost Rs 7418 Cr, the Su-30 MKI will be procured from HAL at an estimated cost of Rs 10730 Crore.


It was earlier reported that Russia is ready to deliver Sukhoi Su-30 MKI and Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 fighter jets to India in the shortest possible timeframe. In a government to government deal which comes amidst the India-China border tension, the Indian Air Force (IAF) has plans to order and induct 33 fighters - 12 Sukhoi Su-30 MKIs and 21 MiG-29s - from Russia.


Russia is ready to assess the issue of early delivery even as the country is already helping the IAF in the MiG-29 modernisation programme. IAF got its first MiG-29 in 1985 and the modernisation will help increase combat capabilities of the MiG-29 fighters to a level comparable to the 4th Generation jets.

Post-modernisation MiG-29s will allow integration of Russian and foreign origin weapons including tracking of aerial targets in a wide range of flight speeds and altitudes, tracking of heat-contrasting air objects & perform “hidden” (without the use of radar) attacks on them. Modern materials and technologies for corrosion protection will increase the service life of MiG-29 fighters by up to 40 years.


The first contract to deliver Su-30MKI jets to the IAF was signed on November 30, 1996, in Irkutsk, Russia, between Rosvooruzhenie state intermediary company and the Indian Defence Ministry. It envisaged the delivery of 32 Su-30s, all of which were produced in 2002-2004.

Satisfied with the performance of the aircraft, the Indian Defence Ministry placed additional orders. In December 2000, both countries signed a contract for organising the licensed production of Su-30MKIs in India at the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited facilities. Then in 2012, another contract for technological kits of Su-30MKIs was signed as the Sukhois have proved to be a reliable and effective multirole heavy aerial combat platform for the IAF.


The Su-30MKI project has become one of the largest in the history of military cooperation of India with a foreign country and also has contributed to the sales of Su-30MK family aircraft to other countries.


Moreover, the programme has directly influenced the development of Su-30SM fighter jet, which is currently being delivered to the Russian Air Force and is also being offered at the international arms market as Su-30SME.

Indias DAC clears proposal to buy 21 Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29s, 12 Sukhoi Su-30MKIs from Russia

Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) on Thursday approved the proposal for procurement of 21 MIG-29 along with upgradation of existing 59 Mig-29 aircraft and procurement of 12 Su-30 MKI aircraft from Russia.

zeenews.india.com

 

[IndianHawk]

Astra Missiles for Navy

So navy is getting Astra too !! Which means mig29k is being integrated with Astra. Which also means mig29 upg will be integrated with Astra too very soon.

 

[ashdoc]

What are the 1000 km land attack cruise missiles ? Extended range brahmos or what ?

Secondly , I thought modernization of mig 29s which we possess was already going on. What is this new modernization of existing 59 mig 29s ?

Government approves purchase of fighter jets, missile systems, weapons worth Rs 38,900 crore | India News - Times of India

India News: The procurement of 21 MiG-29 and upgrading of the existing fleet of MiG-29 are estimated to cost the government Rs 7,418 crore while purchase of 12 ne

m.timesofindia.com

 

[another_armchair]

Once again, super duper weapons which won't deter the enemy from killing our soldiers who are on the ground.

They still carry the same shitty rifle and fuckall body armor.

**redacted**, with all this money, we could have raised a couple of mountain brigades and armed them to the teeth with enough money to spare for a few more regiments of 155/45-52 mm Arty.

 

[another_armchair]

What are the 1000 km land attack cruise missiles ? Extended range brahmos or what ?

Secondly , I thought modernization of mig 29s which we possess was already going on. What is this new modernization of existing 59 mig 29s ?

Government approves purchase of fighter jets, missile systems, weapons worth Rs 38,900 crore | India News - Times of India

India News: The procurement of 21 MiG-29 and upgrading of the existing fleet of MiG-29 are estimated to cost the government Rs 7,418 crore while purchase of 12 ne

m.timesofindia.com

Special wool to pull over the eyes of Indians.

 

[Knowitall]

This deal I don't know if this a joke lol I thought mig-29 was already at upg upgrade. And now there is some new upgrade?

And why the hell is su-30mki so costly we have been manufacturing that jet for such a long time it has got to be cheaper even if there is LCC.

 

[ezsasa]

This deal I don't know if this a joke lol I thought mig-29 was already at upg upgrade. And now there is some new upgrade?

And why the hell is su-30mki so costly we have been manufacturing that jet for such a long time it has got to be cheaper even if there is LCC.

don’t fret.. we will know more details during CCS approval.

 

[Knowitall]

don’t fret.. we will know more details during CCS approval.

Sirji rafale was the best choice right now for us right now.

We are waiting for it so eagerly asking for early deliveries this was a great time to buy more of them.

Mig-29 doesn't have a good track record it's engine problems are well documented.

This is just wastage of money.

 

[janme]

Sirji rafale was the best choice right now for us right now.

We are waiting for it so eagerly asking for early deliveries this was a great time to buy more of them.

Mig-29 doesn't have a good track record it's engine problems are well documented.

This is just wastage of money.

It is partly to keep the useless PSU's/OFB's happy. BMP upgrades are also there and I will not at all be suprised if government cut off private sector from there too and give it completely to OFB. Be mentally prepared for FMBT/FICV license manufacturing of Russian Maal by OFB in the name of TOT in future.

Government also to gets to show dumb public and corrupt media that it is doing something in regards to China. Two birds with one stone.

 

[patriots]

Air Force to get 33 new fighter jets, 248 indigenous Astra missiles

New Delhi [India], July 2 (ANI): In a major boost for the Indian Air Force, the Defence Ministry on Thursday approved the acquisition of 33 new Russian fighter planes including 12 Su-30 MKIs and 21 MiG-29s along with 200 Astra Beyond Visual Range air-to-air missiles.

www.aninews.in

200 astra for iaf...and 48 for navy............
Is astra integration with mig29 going in background.....no news though