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How does Martin baker knows about the ejection ....

Is there some systems


Or they depends on the declaration of the air force


I am curious if they can know it by themself ,then can comment on the crash of f16 or jf17 on Feb 2019
Guru، they know whom they bloody supplied their seats۔
If a ldkau viman crashes and it's pilot ejects, and the martin Baker knows that particular model of viman has its ejection seat.
Is it raaket science to understand how they know about ejections.( Fighting the urge to write ejaculation so hard lol)
 

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Calm down those old mirages are for cannibalism of spare parts to maintain the fleet air worthy
If the Mirages are acquired then:

-The older retired Greek Mirage-2000 EGM/BGMs are for spares.

-The newer in service Greek Mirage-2000-5s will be used for forming a new squadron.

-The in service 12 Qatari Mirage-2000-5s are usable almost as is to form a squadron.

So if the IAF decides to buy these Mirages, it could form 2 new squadrons of Mirages that will be operational for nearly 15 years till the Tejas Mk2 can replace them.
 

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Guru، they know whom they bloody supplied their seats۔
If a ldkau viman crashes and it's pilot ejects, and the martin Baker knows that particular model of viman has its ejection seat.
Is it raaket science to understand how they know about ejections.( Fighting the urge to write ejaculation so hard lol)
Okay, can you shed light on a few doubts.
What happens when an aircraft with a Martin Baker ejection seat is retired/taken out of service.
Does the concerned Air Force have to necessarily return the MB ejection seat to the OEM.

An hypothetical situation
Can a country like Pakistan donate/sell it's surplus MB ejection seats to China. Assuming it retires it's old Mirage 3 fighters.

Is it technically possible for China to fit these MB ejection seats into it's indigenous planes like the J10.Or only Martin Baker can install these seats.The inbuilt software doesn't allow 3rd parties to successfully install these seats.

Now suppose a PLAAF fighter with a Pakistani origin MB ejection seat crashes and as everyone expects the Chinese deny any crash occurred, how will Martin Baker get to know that it's ejection seat was deployed.

Does the Martin Baker ejection seat system come fitted with a small transponder like device which sends out a coded radio signal to a orbiting satellite whenever the ejection system is deployed to save the life of the pilot. Thus the OEM gets confirmation on the operation of its Ejection Seat.
 

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I don’t think Dassault manufactures any spare parts of Mirage so IAF looking for cannibalism from existing aircraft’s from other Air Force. There was article even French wants to maintain their old mirages and talks going on with assault for upgrades. Whatever it is IAF is 🤡
Wrong.
Dassault as Safran are continuing to produce parts for M2000.
In France 55 M2000D are intended to be on duty >> 2030. Impossible without fresh spare parts (and probably some coming from out of service birds).
 

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@BON PLAN any Idea how much cost was per aircraft ? Looks like amount isn't declared publicly.
This 2015 french source said in the 350 € millions for 50 birds.
So in the 7 million a bird. Seems surprisingly low, but this is a very limited MLU : no radar change, no electronic counter measures change, "just" MICA IR integration, a new canon pod and some goodies.

 

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This 2015 french source said in the 350 € millions for 50 birds.
So in the 7 million a bird. Seems surprisingly low, but this is a very limited MLU : no radar change, no electronic counter measures change, "just" MICA IR integration, a new canon pod and some goodies.

That's old one. Below is the recent one from 2022 with unknown contract amount.


Covering a period of 14 years, the "BALZAC" ( funny🧐) contract includes all maintenance activities for the French Mirage 2000s until their retirement.
 

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Control surfaces for steering the bomb precisely! Those are NOT WINGS to increase the range of the bomb even if they generate some lift.
Naah the control surfaces are up front

Rear fins are there to stabilise and as a secondary advantage generate lift
 

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Okay, can you shed light on a few doubts.
What happens when an aircraft with a Martin Baker ejection seat is retired/taken out of service.
Does the concerned Air Force have to necessarily return the MB ejection seat to the OEM.
No, they don't need but the supplier will stop supplying replacing components and servicing for the one retire/taken out of service. If anyone wants to risk the lives of pilots, it is their choice. If crash happens, don't blame Martin Baker.

An hypothetical situation
Can a country like Pakistan donate/sell it's surplus MB ejection seats to China. Assuming it retires it's old Mirage 3 fighters.
.......
Now suppose a PLAAF fighter with a Pakistani origin MB ejection seat crashes and as everyone expects the Chinese deny any crash occurred, how will Martin Baker get to know that it's ejection seat was deployed.
Why Chinese wants the old, probably expired ejection seat installed on her J-10 which was not designed to fit MB ejection seat from the beginning? So, after spending millions of dollars to change J-10's internal structure to accommodate this seat which is full of problems, they can kill some of their own pilots?

Well, simply nobody is such stupid.

Does the Martin Baker ejection seat system come fitted with a small transponder like device which sends out a coded radio signal to a orbiting satellite whenever the ejection system is deployed to save the life of the pilot. Thus the OEM gets confirmation on the operation of its Ejection Seat.
So, British will know exactly where your plane is? No way.
 

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No, they don't need but the supplier will stop supplying replacing components and servicing for the one retire/taken out of service. If anyone wants to risk the lives of pilots, it is their choice. If crash happens, don't blame Martin Baker.



Why Chinese wants the old, probably expired ejection seat installed on her J-10 which was not designed to fit MB ejection seat from the beginning? So, after spending millions of dollars to change J-10's internal structure to accommodate this seat which is full of problems, they can kill some of their own pilots?

Well, simply nobody is such stupid.



So, British will know exactly where your plane is? No way.
Thanks for answering.
But you missed the point.
My query was - what happens to the MB ES when an aircraft on which it is installed is retired. Do you just dump it in the Waste Bin. Or can it be reused in another aircraft.
Of course assuming that it's service life is still not over. Technical support from MB will be available I guess.

Also assume that an Air Force which uses MB ES unfortunately crashes one of its fleet. Now in order to maintain public morale the concerned Government and it's military decide not to make news of the crash public and erase all information related to the crash. The pilot survived the crash. But Martin Baker is not informed of the crash.

Now when no information regarding the crash is shared with MB, how the hell does it declare in public that ' MB Ejection Seats have saved the life of one more pilot'.

Is it a statutory requirement and part of the contract that user Air Forces have to necessarily share information on every crash involving MB ejection seats with the OEM.

Is MB totally dependent on the user military/Government to get data on the performance of its equipment.

Is it part of the contract that MB does on site periodic inspections to check whether it's equipment is used properly. If periodic inspections are allowed then MB will detect the loss of a particular ejection seat with a unique serial number.
 

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Thanks for answering.
But you missed the point.
My query was - what happens to the MB ES when an aircraft on which it is installed is retired. Do you just dump it in the Waste Bin. Or can it be reused in another aircraft.
Of course you can re-use it in another aircraft if MB agrees that the condition of the seat is still good.

Also assume that an Air Force which uses MB ES unfortunately crashes one of its fleet. Now in order to maintain public morale the concerned Government and it's military decide not to make news of the crash public and erase all information related to the crash. The pilot survived the crash. But Martin Baker is not informed of the crash.

Now when no information regarding the crash is shared with MB, how the hell does it declare in public that ' MB Ejection Seats have saved the life of one more pilot'.

Is it a statutory requirement and part of the contract that user Air Forces have to necessarily share information on every crash involving MB ejection seats with the OEM.
If you bought the airplane with MB seat legally, why don't you want to share the crash information with MB?
They are supplier not public. If the seat fails to work, don't you want to seek compensation from MB? Unless there are some other sensitive information get involved.

Is it part of the contract that MB does on site periodic inspections to check whether it's equipment is used properly. If periodic inspections are allowed then MB will detect the loss of a particular ejection seat with a unique serial number.
If the country has enough technicians, they prefer to do the service themselves based on the manual book provided by MB. Otherwise, you just hire the MB to do it for you.
These are military equipment, if people don't want to tell you, you better don't ask.[/QUOTE]
 

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