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Well worth hindsight from inside IAF from AM RNambi . Well this also clarifies what i had been saying since Defexpo 2020 . All these ORCA TEDBF are all pipe dreams which HAL and ADA are trying to sell to public so that they can put pressure on IAF indirectly if they choose a foreign platform .

AM Nambiar has clearly shown the reality with 100 engineers how the hell ADA is going to design MWF, TEDBF, ORCA and AMCA when they couldn't do full finished job on LCA MK1A till now . Its like biting more than what your gut can digest not only just what you can chew .Which will only delay and stall IAF modernisation plan than anything else .

Dump all these ORCA TEDBF snake oil . Go with MWF full fledged once its completed move to AMCA and possible come up with Naval version of AMCA .If Navy wants push them NLCA with F414 SE option the airframe and design is already validated with so many series of landing/take off from viki .

Order Follow on 36 or 44 more Rafales and close MMRCA. Work on deliver of LCA MK1A and then move ahead with MWF and Finally move to AMCA.
So he said very clearly that Tejas is thought of as an extension of Mirage. Its was inspired from Mirage 2000C. The Mk2 platform is almost Mirage 2000 but much better in terms of features and avionics.
 

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AM Nambiar has clearly shown the reality with 100 engineers how the hell ADA is going to design MWF, TEDBF, ORCA and AMCA when they couldn't do full finished job on LCA MK1A till now . Its like biting more than what your gut can digest not only just what you can chew .Which will only delay and stall IAF modernisation plan than anything else .
Pipe dreams sold to get upper hand over IAF/Navy in MoD's internal turf wars. Moreover, such overarching projects give the Top Babus in upper echelon of MoD/HAL reason to secure tenure for couple of years.

Hope the political leadership take cognizance of these sane voices and avoid this impending "Slow-Moving" car crash by stopping this circus of Multiple aviation projects running in parallel.
 

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Exactly when he said LCA MK2 will be exactly like Mirage2000I then we almost solved our original MRCA problem . IAF wanted to buy 150 Mirage 2000 in 2005 they will get a similar aircraft with better software and tech in 2026 which free up the need to go for another new platform . LCA MK1A replacement for Mig-21 & 23 , MWF replacement for Mirage 2000 & Jaguar . Rafale can be the successor for Mig-29k & Su30Mki for time being before AMCA comes out .

Only 4 platform LCA & MWF for Single engine needs and Rafale,Su30mki & AMCA for Multi Engine needs .

So he said very clearly that Tejas is thought of as an extension of Mirage. Its was inspired from Mirage 2000C. The Mk2 platform is almost Mirage 2000 but much better in terms of features and avionics.
 

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Exactly when he said LCA MK2 will be exactly like Mirage2000I then we almost solved our original MRCA problem . IAF wanted to buy 150 Mirage 2000 in 2005 they will get a similar aircraft with better software and tech in 2026 which free up the need to go for another new platform . LCA MK1A replacement for Mig-21 & 23 , MWF replacement for Mirage 2000 & Jaguar . Rafale can be the successor for Mig-29k & Su30Mki for time being before AMCA comes out .

Only 4 platform LCA & MWF for Single engine needs and Rafale,Su30mki & AMCA for Multi Engine needs .
But what about Navy
What will replace Mig29
That's d point raised by HVT
 

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May be including the new Weapons and spares .
They'll be made by HAL It's an extension of one+ year of work for their assembly line which is waiting for mk1a to enter production and upgrade of Su later.

The cost definitely have spare engines etc included.
 

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India Scrutinizing Russian SU-57 Stealth Jets As Makers Struggle To Fulfill Orders

Russian Sukhoi-57 (SU-57) makers are having a difficult time to fulfil Kremlin’s order for 76 SU-57 stealth jets.

The stealth jets first flew in 2010, but due to delays in production until 2018, the 10 SU-57 prototypes were marred with “inadequate and incomplete sensors, incomplete fire-control systems and self-protection suites, no operational integrated avionics and unreliable engines,” aviation expert Tom Cooper writes.

The twin-engine for SU-57 is built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft plant in the Russian Far East. According to a report in Forbes by David Axe, Sukhoi originally planned to hand over the first two production-standard SU-57s in late 2019 and two more in 2020. But the December 2019 crash of one of the jets compelled the company to halt the work on the program.


Earlier, Russian Minister of Industry, Denis Manturov, had confirmed that a contract for the acquisition of 76 Sukhoi Su-57 aircraft, Russia’s first indigenously designed and built fifth-generation stealth fighter jet, has been concluded between Moscow and United Aircraft Corporation.

Last year, Russia deployed pairs of SU-57s to Syria for what it claimed were combat trials. However, there’s no evidence to prove that the fighters actually flew front-line missions.

“Shortly following the 2018 deployment, the Kremlin cancelled production of the SU-57 after the 28th copy, effectively cancelling the program. But Russian President Vladimir Putin in mid-2019 dramatically revived the program, announcing a plan to buy an additional 48 copies,” wrote Axe.

As reported earlier by the EurAsian Times, the SU-57 fighter jet is designed to have supercruise, supermaneuverability, stealth, and advanced avionics to overcome the prior generation fighter aircraft as well as ground and naval defences.

Russia is marketing a number of high-end combat jets to India and alongside continued sales of MiG-29 and SU-30MKI fighters. New Delhi could also possibly purchase the Yak-130 fighter-trainer and the MiG-35 next-generation medium fighter jet.

India has shown some interest in Russia’s Su-57 next-generation heavyweight fighter, although the aircraft is yet to enter service in the Russian Air Force. New Delhi is likely to wait and assess its performance before making any commitments.

Experts stated that the possibility remains that India could seriously consider purchasing an initial batch of ‘off the shelf’ Su-57 jets from Russia to evaluate their capabilities – before entering into a contract for joint production.

According to the author, now the company plans to deliver all four fighter jets in 2020. “These are challenging tasks that will truly mobilize us,” Sergey Chemezov, CEO of Sukhoi’s umbrella company, told state media in late 2019. COVID-19 pandemic may push the delivery dates even further.

However, Sukhoi workers are optimistic about delivering SU-57 on time. “The new aircraft is complex,” deputy workshop head Viktor Passar said, citing “composite sheathing, the latest technologies, the highest quality requirements.” “But we also have highly qualified personnel in our workshop,” Passar added.

The author also stated that several years after building the SU-35, managers at Komsomolsk-on-Amur are setting up SU-57 production in the plant’s Shop 45. He added that managers modernized the docking ramps and upgraded the rigs for building air-intakes and engine nacelles. They also shifted airframe work from Shop No. 7 to Shop No. 45, placing as much as possible of the SU-57 assembly in one space. “Before that, there were colossal losses of time,” said Artem Oshchepkov, the Shop No. 45 supervisor.

 

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India Scrutinizing Russian SU-57 Stealth Jets As Makers Struggle To Fulfill Orders

Russian Sukhoi-57 (SU-57) makers are having a difficult time to fulfil Kremlin’s order for 76 SU-57 stealth jets.

The stealth jets first flew in 2010, but due to delays in production until 2018, the 10 SU-57 prototypes were marred with “inadequate and incomplete sensors, incomplete fire-control systems and self-protection suites, no operational integrated avionics and unreliable engines,” aviation expert Tom Cooper writes.

The twin-engine for SU-57 is built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft plant in the Russian Far East. According to a report in Forbes by David Axe, Sukhoi originally planned to hand over the first two production-standard SU-57s in late 2019 and two more in 2020. But the December 2019 crash of one of the jets compelled the company to halt the work on the program.


Earlier, Russian Minister of Industry, Denis Manturov, had confirmed that a contract for the acquisition of 76 Sukhoi Su-57 aircraft, Russia’s first indigenously designed and built fifth-generation stealth fighter jet, has been concluded between Moscow and United Aircraft Corporation.

Last year, Russia deployed pairs of SU-57s to Syria for what it claimed were combat trials. However, there’s no evidence to prove that the fighters actually flew front-line missions.

“Shortly following the 2018 deployment, the Kremlin cancelled production of the SU-57 after the 28th copy, effectively cancelling the program. But Russian President Vladimir Putin in mid-2019 dramatically revived the program, announcing a plan to buy an additional 48 copies,” wrote Axe.

As reported earlier by the EurAsian Times, the SU-57 fighter jet is designed to have supercruise, supermaneuverability, stealth, and advanced avionics to overcome the prior generation fighter aircraft as well as ground and naval defences.

Russia is marketing a number of high-end combat jets to India and alongside continued sales of MiG-29 and SU-30MKI fighters. New Delhi could also possibly purchase the Yak-130 fighter-trainer and the MiG-35 next-generation medium fighter jet.

India has shown some interest in Russia’s Su-57 next-generation heavyweight fighter, although the aircraft is yet to enter service in the Russian Air Force. New Delhi is likely to wait and assess its performance before making any commitments.

Experts stated that the possibility remains that India could seriously consider purchasing an initial batch of ‘off the shelf’ Su-57 jets from Russia to evaluate their capabilities – before entering into a contract for joint production.

According to the author, now the company plans to deliver all four fighter jets in 2020. “These are challenging tasks that will truly mobilize us,” Sergey Chemezov, CEO of Sukhoi’s umbrella company, told state media in late 2019. COVID-19 pandemic may push the delivery dates even further.

However, Sukhoi workers are optimistic about delivering SU-57 on time. “The new aircraft is complex,” deputy workshop head Viktor Passar said, citing “composite sheathing, the latest technologies, the highest quality requirements.” “But we also have highly qualified personnel in our workshop,” Passar added.

The author also stated that several years after building the SU-35, managers at Komsomolsk-on-Amur are setting up SU-57 production in the plant’s Shop 45. He added that managers modernized the docking ramps and upgraded the rigs for building air-intakes and engine nacelles. They also shifted airframe work from Shop No. 7 to Shop No. 45, placing as much as possible of the SU-57 assembly in one space. “Before that, there were colossal losses of time,” said Artem Oshchepkov, the Shop No. 45 supervisor.
Our decision makers love to complicate things
Imo the way to go should be ..buy 60 odd rafale and then invest heavily on Tejas/AMCA platform.
 

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Sorry for butting in and also sorry for going off topic

I want to know what happened in 2004 COPE INDIA

What USAF got a reality check

Thanks in advance for any anyone giving heads up on that part
 

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Sorry for butting in and also sorry for going off topic

I want to know what happened in 2004 COPE INDIA

What USAF got a reality check

Thanks in advance for any anyone giving heads up on that part
The only thing that happened was that the USAF got to understand the capability, potential and in some cases the superiority of the IAF. They did not have the equivalence of the IAF’s strategy in terms of switching tactics on the fly using code words midair. They were definitely not expecting what they saw, and that started the chain reaction within the pentagon to wake up to the fact that India could be a powerful ally in Asia. Which is why they are very very focused on recruiting India into the ally list by al means possible.
If the pentagon had its way, they would be shoving the F35s and B1 Lancers down IAF’s throat. Also THAAD, Tomahawks, Javelins. They are even ready to sell to the IAF the F15EX. Just imaging if such an offer was made to the Pakis. They would have jumped at it like a ***** on heat.
 
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How many were the IAF looking to buy?
Well have no idea about how much they are planning. But they are still contemplating whether to buy or lease. Hope it happens before we have a new propulsion system.
 

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The only thing that happened was that the USAF got to understand the capability, potential and in some cases the superiority of the IAF. They did not have the equivalence of the IAF’s strategy in terms of switching tactics on the fly using code words midair. They were definitely not expecting what they saw, and that started the chain reaction within the pentagon to wake up to the fact that India could be a powerful ally in Asia. Which is why they are very very focused on recruiting India into the ally list by al means possible.
If the pentagon had its way, they would be shoving the F35s and B1 Lancers down IAF’s throat. Also THAAD, Tomahawks, Javelins. They are even ready to sell to the IAF the F15EX. Just imaging if such an offer was made to the Pakis. They would have jumped at it like a ***** on heat.
Do tell me did we disclosed our war strategy in the cope India 2004
So they got the wow surprise from us then why IAF not asserted the then ruling government to make IAF more stronger

Thank you so much

Really feel the short sightedness from few big guys if they got the opportunity to make IAF become more lethal
 

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Do tell me did we disclosed our war strategy in the cope India 2004
So they got the wow surprise from us then why IAF not asserted the then ruling government to make IAF more stronger

Thank you so much

Really feel the short sightedness from few big guys if they got the opportunity to make IAF become more lethal
That is such one such strategy. Every Air Force has tons of strategies. We haven’t given away all our tactics. Tactics and strategies keep evolving and changing as per the theater and as per the opponents aircraft capabilities. The important thing is that the IAF has the capability to come up with such strategies. It shows sound thinking, and an in-depth understanding of the adversaries strengths and weaknesses. For eg, the USAF dint even imagine on their brightest day that the mig21 bisons would have given them so much trouble. Such a small aircaft buzzed like a fly around them and using it’s off bore sight systems Mx have numerous kills to the IAF.

The one thing that the USAF understood was that the IAF was able to make full use of the Russian aircaft to lethal standards. Which is something that the USAF has not seen until then. They had fought the likes of Libyans, Iranians, Iraqis who did not possess anything close to lethal. The IAF showed its mettle when it upgraded the old Russian aircraft with the most up to date subs system and avionics.
Till date the IAF has shown its mettle, from Balakot to as recently as the supersonic passes over Karachi.

If the IAF gets its wishlist of aircraft, trust me they will dominate Asia.
 

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NLCA should be pursued with SE option for time being . Even if Navy wants max they will need is 60-70 fighters for all 3 AC in future now tell me which country invest in a program for just 50-70 jets . Go with NLCA now and plan for Naval AMCA .

But what about Navy
What will replace Mig29
That's d point raised by HVT
 

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India Scrutinizing Russian SU-57 Stealth Jets As Makers Struggle To Fulfill Orders

Russian Sukhoi-57 (SU-57) makers are having a difficult time to fulfil Kremlin’s order for 76 SU-57 stealth jets.

The stealth jets first flew in 2010, but due to delays in production until 2018, the 10 SU-57 prototypes were marred with “inadequate and incomplete sensors, incomplete fire-control systems and self-protection suites, no operational integrated avionics and unreliable engines,” aviation expert Tom Cooper writes.

The twin-engine for SU-57 is built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft plant in the Russian Far East. According to a report in Forbes by David Axe, Sukhoi originally planned to hand over the first two production-standard SU-57s in late 2019 and two more in 2020. But the December 2019 crash of one of the jets compelled the company to halt the work on the program.


Earlier, Russian Minister of Industry, Denis Manturov, had confirmed that a contract for the acquisition of 76 Sukhoi Su-57 aircraft, Russia’s first indigenously designed and built fifth-generation stealth fighter jet, has been concluded between Moscow and United Aircraft Corporation.

Last year, Russia deployed pairs of SU-57s to Syria for what it claimed were combat trials. However, there’s no evidence to prove that the fighters actually flew front-line missions.

“Shortly following the 2018 deployment, the Kremlin cancelled production of the SU-57 after the 28th copy, effectively cancelling the program. But Russian President Vladimir Putin in mid-2019 dramatically revived the program, announcing a plan to buy an additional 48 copies,” wrote Axe.

As reported earlier by the EurAsian Times, the SU-57 fighter jet is designed to have supercruise, supermaneuverability, stealth, and advanced avionics to overcome the prior generation fighter aircraft as well as ground and naval defences.

Russia is marketing a number of high-end combat jets to India and alongside continued sales of MiG-29 and SU-30MKI fighters. New Delhi could also possibly purchase the Yak-130 fighter-trainer and the MiG-35 next-generation medium fighter jet.

India has shown some interest in Russia’s Su-57 next-generation heavyweight fighter, although the aircraft is yet to enter service in the Russian Air Force. New Delhi is likely to wait and assess its performance before making any commitments.

Experts stated that the possibility remains that India could seriously consider purchasing an initial batch of ‘off the shelf’ Su-57 jets from Russia to evaluate their capabilities – before entering into a contract for joint production.

According to the author, now the company plans to deliver all four fighter jets in 2020. “These are challenging tasks that will truly mobilize us,” Sergey Chemezov, CEO of Sukhoi’s umbrella company, told state media in late 2019. COVID-19 pandemic may push the delivery dates even further.

However, Sukhoi workers are optimistic about delivering SU-57 on time. “The new aircraft is complex,” deputy workshop head Viktor Passar said, citing “composite sheathing, the latest technologies, the highest quality requirements.” “But we also have highly qualified personnel in our workshop,” Passar added.

The author also stated that several years after building the SU-35, managers at Komsomolsk-on-Amur are setting up SU-57 production in the plant’s Shop 45. He added that managers modernized the docking ramps and upgraded the rigs for building air-intakes and engine nacelles. They also shifted airframe work from Shop No. 7 to Shop No. 45, placing as much as possible of the SU-57 assembly in one space. “Before that, there were colossal losses of time,” said Artem Oshchepkov, the Shop No. 45 supervisor.
Click bait article. First appeared in Eurasian Times which in itself is full of non sense.
 

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IAF might sit out of TEDBF program

Indian Air Force (IAF) was recently told to study the proposed Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF) project cleared for the Indian Navy to be designed and developed by Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and join to develop a spin-off air force variant of the jet minus the Naval engineered landing gear and tail section for aircraft carrier operations, but senior officials of the IAF seems to suggest that they have other plans regarding joining the TEDBF bandwagon. Senior IAF official close to idrw.org has informed that Top management is not too keen on the TEDBF program and will allow Navy to be lead program agency along with ADA/HAL in the TEDBF and wants to continue its focus on the Tejas Mk2 and AMCA programs and will not join TEDBF program initially because it will be easier to develop Air force version than a Naval version and if need be arise IAF can fund the development of air force variant at a later stage. IAF top management sees AMCA Mk1 has a better option in 2030 when TEDBF and AMCA Mk1 are supposed to be ready and enter initial production. IAF has committed to procure Two squadrons of AMCA Mk1 powered by the F-414INS6 engines in IOC configuration and Six squadrons of Tejas Mk2 which will see the production order of another six squadrons of Tejas Mk2 with upgraded 5th generation avionics. Tejas Mk2 will also get upgraded Block-II version with AMCA Avionics or IAF might simply agree to procure TEDBF instead is what IAF will decide probably in 2030. AMCA Mk2 which will be 5.5 generation fighter jet will enter production in 2035 onwards powered by a higher 110kN thrust engine which India plans to develop with a foreign aero engine partner. India is willing to commit to locally manufacture nearly 1000+ engines for both AMCA Mk2 and Tejas Mk2 program which will get these engines for the second six squadrons of Tejas Mk2 with upgraded 5th generation avionics or it will eventually come to Tejas Mk2 Block-I when its due for engine change probably in 10 years after induction in 2040-45 onwards.
 

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IAF might sit out of TEDBF program

Indian Air Force (IAF) was recently told to study the proposed Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF) project cleared for the Indian Navy to be designed and developed by Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and join to develop a spin-off air force variant of the jet minus the Naval engineered landing gear and tail section for aircraft carrier operations, but senior officials of the IAF seems to suggest that they have other plans regarding joining the TEDBF bandwagon. Senior IAF official close to idrw.org has informed that Top management is not too keen on the TEDBF program and will allow Navy to be lead program agency along with ADA/HAL in the TEDBF and wants to continue its focus on the Tejas Mk2 and AMCA programs and will not join TEDBF program initially because it will be easier to develop Air force version than a Naval version and if need be arise IAF can fund the development of air force variant at a later stage. IAF top management sees AMCA Mk1 has a better option in 2030 when TEDBF and AMCA Mk1 are supposed to be ready and enter initial production. IAF has committed to procure Two squadrons of AMCA Mk1 powered by the F-414INS6 engines in IOC configuration and Six squadrons of Tejas Mk2 which will see the production order of another six squadrons of Tejas Mk2 with upgraded 5th generation avionics. Tejas Mk2 will also get upgraded Block-II version with AMCA Avionics or IAF might simply agree to procure TEDBF instead is what IAF will decide probably in 2030. AMCA Mk2 which will be 5.5 generation fighter jet will enter production in 2035 onwards powered by a higher 110kN thrust engine which India plans to develop with a foreign aero engine partner. India is willing to commit to locally manufacture nearly 1000+ engines for both AMCA Mk2 and Tejas Mk2 program which will get these engines for the second six squadrons of Tejas Mk2 with upgraded 5th generation avionics or it will eventually come to Tejas Mk2 Block-I when its due for engine change probably in 10 years after induction in 2040-45 onwards.
AMCA mk2 will only come in the late 30s and the mk1 wil come after the 2035...
 

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IAF might sit out of TEDBF program

Indian Air Force (IAF) was recently told to study the proposed Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF) project cleared for the Indian Navy to be designed and developed by Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and join to develop a spin-off air force variant of the jet minus the Naval engineered landing gear and tail section for aircraft carrier operations, but senior officials of the IAF seems to suggest that they have other plans regarding joining the TEDBF bandwagon. Senior IAF official close to idrw.org has informed that Top management is not too keen on the TEDBF program and will allow Navy to be lead program agency along with ADA/HAL in the TEDBF and wants to continue its focus on the Tejas Mk2 and AMCA programs and will not join TEDBF program initially because it will be easier to develop Air force version than a Naval version and if need be arise IAF can fund the development of air force variant at a later stage. IAF top management sees AMCA Mk1 has a better option in 2030 when TEDBF and AMCA Mk1 are supposed to be ready and enter initial production. IAF has committed to procure Two squadrons of AMCA Mk1 powered by the F-414INS6 engines in IOC configuration and Six squadrons of Tejas Mk2 which will see the production order of another six squadrons of Tejas Mk2 with upgraded 5th generation avionics. Tejas Mk2 will also get upgraded Block-II version with AMCA Avionics or IAF might simply agree to procure TEDBF instead is what IAF will decide probably in 2030. AMCA Mk2 which will be 5.5 generation fighter jet will enter production in 2035 onwards powered by a higher 110kN thrust engine which India plans to develop with a foreign aero engine partner. India is willing to commit to locally manufacture nearly 1000+ engines for both AMCA Mk2 and Tejas Mk2 program which will get these engines for the second six squadrons of Tejas Mk2 with upgraded 5th generation avionics or it will eventually come to Tejas Mk2 Block-I when its due for engine change probably in 10 years after induction in 2040-45 onwards.
:cool3: :cool3: :cool3: @Bleh .... Remember what I said?
 

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