Indian Air Force Light Combat Aircraft Tejas India's Second Supersonic Fighter

[Enquirer]

Entire engine component processing including forgings are made in HAL. There is no Russian supply in it. Raw materials are only mining sector. That is why it is called "raw materials" - because it is raw.

India has got ToT for the alloying process and forging of blades, powder metallurgy, isotthermal forge etc:

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'Raw materials' doesn't mean they were just plucked from the earth!
One company's 'finished product' is another company's 'raw material'!!

 

[Defenceanalyst91]

Lol at the people who claim HAL is making Su 30 mki. It is just assemling ckt kits supplied by Russia. For this screwdriver job we r paying extra 100cr rupees for evey Su30 jet.
Made in India is costlier; joint development is mere purchase

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...velopment-is-mere-purchase/article8199677.ece

 

[Narasimh]

There is no point to this debate whether HAL is making 100% of the engine or not. Ultimately the design IP is with Sukhoi and unless we are able to imbibe some tech from it and use it in our own projects it is of little/no use.

 

[WolfPack86]

Will Private Consortium build LCA-Tejas Mark 1A for IAF?

Amid reports of Indian Air Force (IAF) taking over Tejas Mark 1A light combat aircraft (LCAs) from State-owned defense manufacturer Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. comes further fresh reports that IAF is now actively considering handing over LCA-Tejas production line to private players to fast-track its production.

83 Tejas Mark 1A jets on order by IAF will be manufactured by private players like L&T ( Wings), Dynamatic Technologies Ltd ( Front fuselage ), VEM Technologies ( Centre fuselage) and Alpha Doca (Rear fuselage ) while HAL will continue to remain lead Integrator for the project but IAF is currently studying the possibility of reducing HAL’s role further in the program according to industry sources close to idrw.org.

IAF wants to hand over at least one production line of Mark 1A to a Private Consortium where even the job of lead Integrator for the project will slip out of HAL’s hand, while HAL will continue to remain lead Integrator for the other line.

Defense analysts suggest it could be first attempts to create an alternative aerospace ecosystem in the country which can manufacture a product from raw material stage till the final finished product and possible ground works to shift whole production line towards same supply chain which will manufacture 201 Tejas Mark 2 for the Indian air force in near future.

IAF wants to keep rising price in check of Mark 1A program which as per media reports is more expensive then HAL manufactured Sukhoi-30MKI. By creating competitors in production agency IAF is trying to break the monopoly of HAL in this segment.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TejasMRCA/photos/?ref=page_internal

 

[Kchontha]

Private sector industries in India should set up jet engine (both military and civilian) manufacturing units in collaboration with collaboration with Western OEMs like safran, rolls Royce, and npo Saturn etc instead of manufacturing fuselage or drop tanks etc, etc.

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[G10]

Private sector industries in India should set up jet engine (both military and civilian) manufacturing units in collaboration with collaboration with Western OEMs like safran, rolls Royce, and npo Saturn etc instead of manufacturing fuselage or drop tanks etc, etc.

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Beggers cannot be choosers. You only get respect after you have proven urself. Nobody parted with aircraft tech when india didnt have one. Now that we have tejas everyone is prepared to give tech to india which india already has.

 

[Advaidhya Tiwari]

Beggers cannot be choosers. You only get respect after you have proven urself. Nobody parted with aircraft tech when india didnt have one. Now that we have tejas everyone is prepared to give tech to india which india already has.

Russia did give Su30 to India which is the backbone of IAF as well as the reason for the improvement in Indian aerospace industry.

 

[Kchontha]

Beggers cannot be choosers. You only get respect after you have proven urself. Nobody parted with aircraft tech when india didnt have one. Now that we have tejas everyone is prepared to give tech to india which india already has.

Is not kaveri ready?!!

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[WolfPack86]

It was the BJP govt under whom #HAL has been allowed to function freely. IAF finally agreed to buy a whopping 324 #Tejas from HAL, provided the Mk2 performs as expected. Mk1 already exceeded expectation!

 

[kamaal]

It was the BJP govt under whom #HAL has been allowed to function freely. IAF finally agreed to buy a whopping 324 #Tejas from HAL, provided the Mk2 performs as expected. Mk1 already exceeded expectation!

MK1 exceeded expectations ?? When did it happened ?

I mean MK1 may have set some standards but it has never "Exceeded" anyone's expectation especially IAF.

 

[Chinmoy]

MK1 exceeded expectations ?? When did it happened ?

I mean MK1 may have set some standards but it has never "Exceeded" anyone's expectation especially IAF.

Mk1 here means the IOC variant flying right now. Mk1A would be the FOC variant. Mk2 would be the rest 83 numbers which would make up the total proposed 123.

Now in the recent conducted excercise, IAF had shown satisfaction with the current 6 numbers of Tejas which were inducted and praised its performance.

 

[Immanuel]

MKI for the most part is made in India including it's engine, there are parts that come from Russia and there are several things that are not in scope of TOT.

https://www.defensenews.com/air/201...es-problems-despite-russian-spare-parts-deal/
A senior Indian Ministry of Defence official said HAL has identified 485 systems for the country's Make in India initiative for which HAL requested private industry interaction with Russian OEMs for the transfer of technology.

"However, United Aircraft Corporation and United Engine Corporation of Russia have categorically clarified that they have spare capacity and

they will support IAF, but they are not willing to transfer ToT to private

Nobody in their right mind will give you full un-hindered TOT, it also makes no sense at all to request it. IAF and MOD's constant bickering over it doesn't help. The best we could hope for is some decent TOT to keep the aircraft flying, ability to overhaul ourselves, perform some tweaks, integrate our own weapons etc, this is the case for MKI.

 

[kamaal]

Mk1 here means the IOC variant flying right now. Mk1A would be the FOC variant. Mk2 would be the rest 83 numbers which would make up the total proposed 123.

Now in the recent conducted excercise, IAF had shown satisfaction with the current 6 numbers of Tejas which were inducted and praised its performance.

You have completely missed the LCA information bus.
MK1 means both IOC & FOC;
MK1A means beyond FOC i.e. AESA, EW suite, Refueling probe ,etc; IAF has agreed to buy 83 MK1A.
MK2 is completely different bird.

Here it is.
Don't thank me.

 

[Kay]

Beggers cannot be choosers. You only get respect after you have proven urself. Nobody parted with aircraft tech when india didnt have one. Now that we have tejas everyone is prepared to give tech to india which india already has.

Correct. Foreign vendors analyze our technical capabilities.
If we can build something, they will try to sell something slightly better.
If we have the capability to build something better, they will offer TOT to earn goodwill to push other sales.
If we cannot build something, they will not provide TOT.
There is nothing wrong in this - as they are all here to earn money and not do charity.
Moral of the story - spend more on RnD.

 

[lcafanboy]

Guess what :biggrin2:

 

[Suryavanshi]

Guess what :biggrin2:

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Heat Signatures are very low?
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Also Cannards

 

[porky_kicker]

C

Guess what :biggrin2:

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Looks like close coupled fully active canards like in rafale and typhoon

This configuration was explored in the beginning of LCA programme , wind tunnel model exists

 

[porky_kicker]

Also this is significant development when fructified

Buddy refueling of LCA by su30mki

https://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u375/jayS_brf/LCA_Su30_buddy_IFR_zps5zsxjojx.jpg

Somebody plz download the darn image

 

[Adioz]

Guess what :biggrin2:

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Source?

Heat Signatures are very low?
............................
Also Cannards

Not heat signature. From what I can tell, its pressure distribution.

This configuration was explored in the beginning of LCA programme , wind tunnel model exists

But they can't use the same model anymore. LCA Mk-2 is meant to be a heavier aircraft than originally conceived Tejas, so won't the CAD model be bigger??

 

[porky_kicker]

But they can't use the same model anymore. LCA Mk-2 is meant to be a heavier aircraft than originally conceived Tejas, so won't the CAD model be bigger??

I only mentioned it to emphasise that similar configuration was worked on among other configurations when the LCA design was being studied decades ago.

The old wind tunnel model has no relevence now