India worried over PLA's expanding transborder military capabilities

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

India is likely to raise the expanding transborder military capabilities of the People's Liberation Army (PLA), including its stepped-up exercises in the high-altitude Qinghai-Tibet Plateau, when defence minister A K Antony leads a top-level delegation to China from July 4 to 7.

Sources said while India will "reassure" China that it has absolutely no intention of joining any multi-lateral strategic grouping that seeks to "contain" Beijing, it will also underline several "bilateral concerns" that need to be addressed.

"There are legitimate concerns about PLA's military capabilities, assertiveness and intentions, its massive infrastructure build-up along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) and, of course, incidents like the Depsang incursion in Ladakh in April," said a source.

India, however, is keen to progressively enhance military ties with China, keep "communication channels open" and "eliminate potential" for Depsang-like incidents to reoccur.

The two sides will also discuss resumption of the joint Army "Hand-in-Hand" (HiH) counter-terrorism exercise towards end-2013 after a five-year gap as well as explore establishing the fourth border personnel meeting (BPM) mechanism near Lipulekh-Mana Pass in the "middle sector" after the existing ones at Chushul, Nathu La and Bum La.

The keenness to "constructively engage" with China's military leadership can be gauged from the fact that Antony's delegation, apart from defence secretary R K Mathur, will include Eastern Army commander Lt-General Dalbir Singh Suhag and Southern Naval commander Vice-Admiral Satish Soni, who are slated to take over as the next Army and Navy chiefs in 2014 and 2015, respectively. The Indian delegation will visit Shanghai, Beijing and the Chengdu Military Area Command, which controls Tibet and almost the entire disputed LAC.

Though the need to fortify de-escalatory mechanisms to prevent face-offs between the two armies will be stressed during the trip, India is in "no hurry" to ink the new Border Defence Cooperation Agreement (BDCA) proposed by China earlier this year.

"The revised BDCA draft submitted by China is being examined," said a source. MoD was perturbed by the earlier draft since it suggested that both sides should freeze troop and infrastructure levels along the LAC.

MoD is in the process of getting the Cabinet Committee on Security's (CCS) final nod for raising a new mountain strike corps (40,000 soldiers), apart from two "independent" infantry brigades and two "independent" armoured brigades, to plug operational gaps along the LAC as well as to acquire "some ground offensive capabilities" against China. Moreover, India is belatedly trying to counter the major infrastructure build-up by China over the last couple of decades

India worried over PLA's expanding transborder military capabilities - The Times of India

 

[marshal panda]

Re: India worried over PLA's expanding transborder military capabiliti

No amount of reason/logic will convince China till India acquires a fleet of SSBN !

 

[Yusuf]

Re: India worried over PLA's expanding transborder military capabiliti

No amount of reason/logic will convince China till India acquires a fleet of SSBN !

What exactly will that achieve? We have deterrence even today.

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[hit&run]

Re: India worried over PLA's expanding transborder military capabiliti

Who is India here ?

InA, who can not do a bit without political nod.

GoI, who doesn't have political will to match Chinese military capabilities or at least invest for an edge, too cautious about Chinese sensitivities that can not make friends.

Some Defense Analyst, who is just like a concern blogger who rant day and night on different forums, a cry in the wilderness.

 

[no smoking]

Re: India worried over PLA's expanding transborder military capabiliti

Who is India here ?

InA, who can not do a bit without political nod.

GoI, who doesn't have political will to match Chinese military capabilities or at least invest for an edge, too cautious about Chinese sensitivities that can not make friends.

No, you politicians have the will as much as you do, the only problem is that your country's pocket doesn't match their wills.

Some Defense Analyst, who is just like a concern blogger who rant day and night on different forums, a cry in the wilderness.

For the people who doesn't need to worry about budget or deficit, it is the easist way to do. After all, it won't cost them a penny!

 

[hit&run]

Re: India worried over PLA's expanding transborder military capabiliti

No, you politicians have the will as much as you do, the only problem is that your country's pocket doesn't match their wills.

This is a simplistic view of a Chinese poster.

For the people who doesn't need to worry about budget or deficit, it is the easist way to do. After all, it won't cost them a penny!

You are challenging the net intelligentsia of this forum where many of us concluded many excellent debates where the buck has only stopped at political will otherwise by spending already available budget we can catch Chinese by their balls and bog them down not only in Tibet but SCS and IOR for next 50 odd years to come.

One can accuse us of not reading diplomatic shrewdness of GoI accurately, which we see as a lack of political will, but saying our pocket is too small to match Chinese and their bluffs, is too simplistic.

 

[Ray]

Re: India worried over PLA's expanding transborder military capabiliti

No, you politicians have the will as much as you do, the only problem is that your country's pocket doesn't match their wills.


For the people who doesn't need to worry about budget or deficit, it is the easist way to do. After all, it won't cost them a penny!

Pocket has nothing to do with political will.

 

[no smoking]

Re: India worried over PLA's expanding transborder military capabiliti

Pocket has nothing to do with political will.

Pocket has everything to do with political will. It decides how much you can turn your will into action!

 

[no smoking]

Re: India worried over PLA's expanding transborder military capabiliti

This is a simplistic view of a Chinese poster.

Yes, a different perspective!

You are challenging the net intelligentsia of this forum where many of us concluded many excellent debates where the buck has only stopped at political will otherwise by spending already available budget we can catch Chinese by their balls and bog them down not only in Tibet but SCS and IOR for next 50 odd years to come.

Yes, with 1/3 of Chinese military budget and 1/10 of Chinese infrastructure investment, how can india match Chinese in every front? Your politician don't have magic wand!

One can accuse us of not reading diplomatic shrewdness of GoI accurately, which we see as a lack of political will, but saying our pocket is too small to match Chinese and their bluffs, is too simplistic.

No, you just choose to ignore the fact that your gov is facing far more problems than military or diplomatic. There is lots more sectors demanding money and resources other than having a arm race with China in asia. But the simple fact is your gov with double deficit doesn't have that much money to cover everywhere!

 

[hit&run]

Re: India worried over PLA's expanding transborder military capabiliti

Yes, with 1/3 of Chinese military budget and 1/10 of Chinese infrastructure investment, how can india match Chinese in every front? Your politician don't have magic wand!

Wars are not fought when only your budget is at advantageous ratios, wars are fought, when thrust upon you. Budgets are then made available accordingly. We are a peaceful country and preemption is not our policy.

On your 1/3 and 1/10, don't assume you are some hyper power of Asia, we know our calculations and know your real capabilities, these are just feel good statistics only till your bluff is not called out, and for that we need political will.

No, you just choose to ignore the fact that your gov is facing far more problems than military or diplomatic. There is lots more sectors demanding money and resources other than having a arm race with China in asia. But the simple fact is your gov with double deficit doesn't have that much money to cover everywhere!

Our forces against neighboring enemies are immune to what happens inside our country i.e. problems faced by political class. They are crystal clear about their duties. Our concern here is to see them more lethal and effective.

They are returning available budget in bouts back every year. Our problem is procurement policy which is not in their control. It is like having teeth but not allowed to eat. Our corrupt bureaucracy treats weapon procurement (logistics or military infra development etc.) necessarily for our nation's security form extrinsic threats like they treat procurement of commodities.

 

[Ray]

Re: India worried over PLA's expanding transborder military capabiliti

Pocket has everything to do with political will. It decides how much you can turn your will into action!

Pakistan's pocket was empty.

She was ready to eat grass.

But Bhutto had his political will - he ate grass, stole the nuke details through AQA Khan, and got the nuclear bomb!