India wants UK to return Kohinoor, other artifacts

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our beloved neighbour only did not gave the $10bn loan, where can we expect the looted money back.?
they are harami's we cant expect it.
 

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ok...i'll back off...but.......not beffore deciding about the rightful owner of the kohinoor...coz the last british took it from the ranjit singh's capital lahore which is in pakistan so it has to be return to lahore first then serially it can be claimed very next owner from whom ranjit singh took it thus kohinoor will follow the journey of the past...
 

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huh ..i doubt we will get back kohinoor ,ASI was did even get back Tipu Sultan sword ,it was bought by Vijay Malaya , plus why would they return,isnt the kohinoor placed in the crown of the queen
 

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What the hell is going on here. What's with the language? I don't think I have to remind anyone what the rules are, do i?
 

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Article from 2006, about Pak claiming Kohinoor:

Britain nixed Pakistan claim to Kohinoor

LONDON: Nearly three decades after India was partitioned and the British Raj crumbled, Pakistan sneakily waged a diplomatic war like no other in the Kohinoor diamond's blood-soaked 750-year-old history with a populist, finely-pitched request from Zulfikar Ali Bhutto to London controversially asking for the gem's return.

The demand for the Kohinoor's restoration - to Pakistan, not India because it was on Pakistani soil that the gem was surrendered - came in a letter from the then Prime Minister Bhutto to his British counterpart, James Callaghan on the even of Pakistan's independence day ceremonies in August 1976.

Using a high-degree of symbolism and emotional rhetoric, Bhutto wrote to Callaghan to remind Britain of the significance of "our annual Independence Day. This occasion never fails to bring to mind Pakistan's historic grievances about the disposition of territories and assets to which we were entitled upon the termination of British rule."

Evoking the "immense sentimental value" of the diamond to Pakistan, Bhutto said "Its return to Pakistan would be a convincing demonstration of the spirit that moved Britain voluntarily to shed its imperial encumbrances and lead the process of decolonisation."

A consummate diplomat, Bhutto bewailed to Callaghan that "little is left in our land from what was bequeathed to us by the centuries of pre-colonial history" and decried the disappearance of "the unique treasures which are the flesh and blood of Pakistan's heritage". He said the diamond's return to Pakistan "would be symbolic of a new international equity strikingly different from the grasping, usurping temper of a former age," he said.

But despite all Bhutto's linguistic artistry and psychological tactics, the British stayed resolute about never returning the 186-carat gem, once the world's largest diamond, to any of the Asian countries that have historically laid claim to it.

Secret British government papers, regularly declassified under the 30-year rule for public disclosure, detail how officials and politicians in London firmly rebutted Pakistan's forceful claim to a stone that has literally become a jewel of the British Crown and remains an enduring symbol of the glory of the once-mighty Raj Bahadur. The Kohinoor was set in a crown on being formally presented to Queen Victoria in 1852. Now, it remains in the Tower of London as part of the British crown jewels collection.

Officials at the National Archive, the UK government's official archive, containing records of 900 years of history with records ranging from parchment and paper scrolls through to recently created digital files and archived websites, told TOI on Friday the newly-declassified Kohinoor documents had sparked considerable interest.

In a nod to India, Iran and Afghanistan's competing claims to the Kohinoor, Britain's Callaghan bluntly reminded Bhutto "of the various hands through which the stone has passed over the past two centuries". He recalled that "explicit provision" had been made for the Kohinoor's "transfer to the British Crown ... in the peace treaty with the Maharajah of Lahore which concluded the war of 1849."

He ended by flatly refusing Bhutto's request: "I could not advise Her Majesty the Queen that it should be surrendered."

Observers said news of Bhutto's secret request for the Kohinoor, employing a mixture of high emotion and hubris underlined the more lethargic attitude of the New Delhi establishment to the jewel, despite India's more powerful claim to it.

Even so, just four years ago, India made a half-hearted jibe at British colonialism's magpie policies with reference to the Kohinoor when it made a public appearance once again on the British stage. The diamond was a glittering feature of the 2002 funeral of Queen Elizabeth, last empress of India, when it was carried atop her coffin in her 1937 coronation crown.

At the time, Indian officials here accused Britain of "flaunting" the riches of empire and soon after New Delhi renewed a long-standing request for its restoration to India citing "a legitimate claim".

But historians insist that neither India nor Pakistan can never have a hope of seeing the diamond's return, despite "all the letter-writing campaigns in the world" because Britain considers possession to be nine-tenths of the law.

Senior British civil servants have always advised successive governments to stonewall any request for the Kohinoor's repatriation with the following logic: "1. We have the Kohinoor diamond, whether or not our possession of it is legally justified. 2. We have made it clear that we are keeping the diamond, adducing the best arguments to support our contention."

Britain has always played up the gem's disputed ownership, with the reminder that its passage over the centuries through owners from the Delhi sultanate to the Persian shah means there is no consensus on entitlement.

Using more diplomatic language and considerably more logic, British diplomats are said to have long committed to memory parts of the 1849 Treaty of Lahore, drawn up by Lord Dalhousie to formalise British rule in Punjab, which is said to contain a clause formally surrendering the Kohinoor to "the Queen of England".
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...stan-claim-to-Kohinoor/articleshow/986002.cms

India obviously has the strongest case, but as long as Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran are also fighting for it, Britain definitely will not give it up. Actually it won't ever give it up no matter what.
 

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only one way india can get it through auction and some one vijay malya outbids everyone like he did for tipu sword and specs of Gandhiji.
 

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Who is the real owner of the kohinoor....
1.india
2.pakistan
3.bangladesh
4. iran
India, because Hyderabad state (the source of Kohinoor diamond to Britain) became a part of India. So among those four countries, it will go to India.
 
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Pakistan claims it belongs to Pakistan because the last person to possess the Kohinoor before the British took it was Ranjit Singh, from Lahore (now in Pakistan)
 

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Pakistan claims it belongs to Pakistan because the last person to possess the Kohinoor before the British took it was Ranjit Singh, from Lahore (now in Pakistan)
Which was then part of India, and in possession of a non-Muslim. If Hindus and Sikhs had to leave Lahore in 1947, so did their liquid inheritance and heritage.
 

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Pakistan claims it belongs to Pakistan because the last person to possess the Kohinoor before the British took it was Ranjit Singh, from Lahore (now in Pakistan)
both kohinoor and peacock throne of maharaja ranjit singh british took away.
 

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Which was then part of India, and in possession of a non-Muslim. If Hindus and Sikhs had to leave Lahore in 1947, so did their liquid inheritance and heritage.
Didnt hindus and sikhs leave back their properties in lahore????
 

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Didnt hindus and sikhs leave back their properties in lahore????
Which is why I used the keyword "liquid", which refers to movable assets, not immovable assets. The Kohinoor is a movable asset, and there's no basis for Pakistan's claim. Stop being a closet-Pakistani.
 

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Pakistan has double standards when it comes to things like this...
 

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I have a simple response to any country that wants its archaeologic treasures returned. Pay the market value and get them back. You don't get anything for free.
 

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I have a simple response to any country that wants its archaeologic treasures returned. Pay the market value and get them back. You don't get anything for free.
True. one only get looted of treasures and again get looted when asked to pay it for in auction.
 

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They gave us cricket and Mrs Mountbatten , Isn't that enough? :p
 
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They gave us cricket and Mrs Mountbatten , Isn't that enough? :p
no ....coz both were of personal pleasures of person involved in with them.But kohinoor is not for pleasure but its india's lost treasure and honour.
 

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