India Wants to Join the Non-Proliferation Treaty as a Weapon State

[amoy]

India staying beyond the NPT has exercised great constrains and have not done anything against the essence of the NPT even with out the so called safeguards what did china north Korea and Iran do ?

What hard evidence is there leading to a suspicion China helped NKorea or Iran in nuke program? Actually China was pretty annoyed when NK exploded its nuke?

Besides why shall China open the pandora box by enabling those countries beyond its control to go nuke? Normally the established powers tend to prevent any catch-ups.

 

[nandu]

What hard evidence is there leading to a suspicion China helped NKorea or Iran in nuke program? Actually China was pretty annoyed when NK exploded its nuke?

Besides why shall China open the pandora box by enabling those countries beyond its control to go nuke? Normally the established powers tend to prevent any catch-ups. -ohimalaya

You forget to mention about Pakistan whom china helped also get nuclear know how.

 

[amoy]

Again no proof as to China's 'help' in Pakistan's nuclear program -- see this link Pakistan and weapons of mass destruction

During the same time, Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, a metallurgical engineer, working at the Dutch research firm URENCO, also joined Pakistan's nuclear weapons-grade Uranium enrichment program. The uranium enrichment program had been launched in 1974 by PAEC chairman Munir Ahmad Khan as Project-706. A.Q. Khan joined the project in the spring of 1976 and was made Project-Director in July 1976 after taking over from another nuclear scientist, Sultan Bashiruddin Mahmood. In 1983, Khan was convicted by a Dutch court in absentia for stealing the blueprints, though the conviction was overturned on a legal technicality.[14]

Simply use common sense here - China had long been a nuke country and could have simply covered PAK under its nuke umbrella of 'protection' should China wish to. Why should China help PAK get nuke too which is so unpredictable? Also again don't forget it's the US　who's PAK's top ally and patron.

Besides quoted below

The India tests, in turn, provided Pakistani nuclear advocates with the perfect excuse to test. Here again, religious extremists advocated the bomb. Meanwhile the military sought nuclear weapons to counter India’s vastly large armed forces.
This lobbying was partially offset by US and Chinese diplomacy after India’s tests. In addition, some analysts and activists enumerated the ill effects that would result from the economic sanctions that were sure to follow any test. They suggest that Pakistan not follow India’s lead—leaving India to face international wrath alone—but to avail. Three weeks after India’s blasts, Pakistan went ahead with its own tests.

 

[F-14]

Pakistan's dependence on China grew as Western export controls and enforcement mechanisms have grown more stringent. China's nuclear assistance predates the 1986 Sino-Pakistani atomic cooperation agreement, with some of the most critical transfers occurring from 1980 through 1985. China is reported to have provided Pakistan with the design of one of its warheads, as well as sufficient HEU for a few weapons. The 25-kiloton design was the one used in China's fourth nuclear test, which was an atmospheric test using a ballistic missile launch. This configuration is said to be a fairly sophisticated design, with each warhead weighing considerably less than the unwieldy, first-generation US and Soviet weapons which weighed several thousand kilograms. As of 1989 it was suggested that Pakistan had a workable bomb weighing only 400 pounds. Pakistan Foreign Minister Yakub Khan was present at the Chinese Lop Nor test site to witness the test of a small nuclear device in May 1983, giving rise to speculation that a Pakistani-assembled device was detonated in this test.

Evidently the jump-start provided by A.Q. Khan's trove of documents was an insufficient basis for a dependable Uranium program. Chinese assistance in the development of gas centrifuges at Kahuta was indicated by the presence of Chinese technicians at the facility in the early 1980s. The uranium enrichment facility began operating in the early 1980s, but suffered serious start up problems. In early 1996 it was reported that the A.Q. Khan Research Laboratory had received 5,000 ring magnets, which can be used in gas centrifuges, from a subsidiary of the China National Nuclear Corporation.

the above quoted clearly shows the PRC's complicity in pakistans nuke program in no less manner so both USA and China is clupable as offenders in the case of Pakistan

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/pakistan/missile.htm


in the above mentioned Link the

Missiles shown are majorty of DPRK And PRC orgin

 

[Yusuf]

China can only hide behind technicalities. Its very much known to the entire world who gave pakistan its Nukes and ballistic missiles starting with the M 11. It then introduced NK to pakistan. You can give as many links as you like, but any spook will tell you what is an open secret.

 

[rakesh]

what is main advantage when India join as a nuclear state ?Does it allow by P5 ?

 

[Rage]

Again no proof as to China's 'help' in Pakistan's nuclear program -- see this link Pakistan and weapons of mass destruction

The evidence is clear.

From the 'father' of Pakistan's nuclear program himself:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/12/AR2009111211060.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/18/AR2009111804007.html


Excerpting 'The News', a leading Pakisthanie news source, and self-described 'Pakistan's largest English daily':

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=26110

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...&gl=ca&sig=AHIEtbS2ylA3QVwFL_XMDSjco3e2kSpHwg

On the Khan Research Laboratories, from the Federation of American Scientists, an authoritative, independent and distinctly unbiased source:

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/pakistan/facility/kahuta.htm

Simply use common sense here - China had long been a nuke country and could have simply covered PAK under its nuke umbrella of 'protection' should China wish to. Why should China help PAK get nuke too which is so unpredictable? Also again don't forget it's the US　who's PAK's top ally and patron.

Besides quoted below

Flawed logic. China covering Pakistan under its nuclear 'umbrella' would entail China's de facto involvement in a war against India. Which in turn, would ensure international repercussions, given its own extension of a two-party engagement into a three-party war. By helping Pakisthan develop its own nuclear weapons, China effectively ensures a strategic balance without its own necessary involvement.

It is also telling that Pakisthan tested its own nuclear 'devices' merely a half-month after India completed its second, and most prodigious, nuclear tests. After 24 years of non-testing, when it was already postulated that India's first plutonium detonation was a bust, when on May 11, 1998 India exploded its first thermonuclear device in what was an authentic, undeniable validation of the existence of its nuclear weapons, China saw it fit to expedite Pakisthan's nuclear program, lagging erstwhile for years, so that Pakisthan could detonate its first nuclear devices not long after- on May 28, 1998. But we won't hold it against you, you merely did what any rational, self-serving state would do. We would've done the same.

 

[roma]

ohimalaya as Lethal and i pointed out the NPT doesnt do what it was expected to do . every tom pak and harry is now attempting to get nukes - even in south east asia whic previously designated itself nuke -free ( asean countries ) now one of them is mulling the use of nuke -energy ( http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=a.ahJaTlcwDU ) which we all know is a possible 1st step towards other developments - , AHEM!!