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Tshering22

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What it has to do with Central govt. It is State approved and most people don't know but States have many powers. For ex. Centre can't build roads without State permission.

GO to tamilnadu, these rejuvenations has been happening since 90s.

Most importantly, Last year US govt announced Co-operation with Indian state govts individually, posted somewhere on DFI couldn't recollect now. This is just the beginning of many things to come.
This is where we need to change the centre-state equation. Every single economic cooperation initiative has to be relooked at from a security perspective. Business deals can be given a slack but not these agency-based funding.

Amit Shah seems to be living in an alternate dimension to allow this kind of nonsense to continue today. We need a more streamlined centre-state setup. This won't do - not in today's environment.
 

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When did i promoted separate nations ? We are talking about sub culture and different languages here , and having the attachment to your sub culture or language . We are all product of past . What is india if civilizational history created over thousands of years is erased .

My complain was about this ongoing insecurity about indian identity with little substance . Such insecurity ll only add more power to certain fringe element .
i am from one of those southern states and frankly I don't have much attachment to it.the idea of a civilizational state will only work ironically when all those regionalism die and act as one at all costs.as a result I don't have much attachment towards my southern state but only towards maintaining and promoting the power and ability of Bharat here and abroad.and yes due to that my regional identity has actually atrophied.

I think in the future the children of india will become more like me and guys here who only care about nationalism and the regionals will slowly die away due to non-use and too much cross-state settling and living.just being honest. I am also happy about it,honestly it is more of a curse than a blessing.china is working better after they amalgamated everything into a single identity and they have almost completed the process with the destruction fo the uyghers,good for them.
 

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Woke Imperium: The Coming Confluence Between Social Justice and Neoconservatism - The Institute for Peace and Diplomacy - l’Institut pour la paix et la diplomatie (peacediplomacy.org)


Woke Imperium: The Coming Confluence Between Social Justice and Neoconservatism
By Christopher Mott

Key Findings

  • The advocates of American primacy within the United States foreign policy establishment historically rely on prevailing ideological trends of the time to justify interventionism abroad. The new ‘woke’ face of American hegemony and projects of empire is designed to project the U.S. as an international moral police rather than a conventional great power—and the result is neo-imperialism with a moral face.
  • This is an iterative and systemic process with an internal logic, not one controlled by a global cabal: when the older rationalizations for primacy, hegemony, and interventionism appear antiquated or are no longer persuasive, a new rationale that better reflects the ruling class norms of the era is adopted as a substitute. This is because the new schema is useful for the maintenance of the existing system of power.
  • The rise of a ‘woke’ activist-driven, social justice-oriented politics—particularly among the members of academia, media, and the professional managerial class—has provided the latest ideological justification for interventionism, and it has become readily adopted by the U.S. foreign policy establishment. These groups now have an even greater level of symbiotic relationship with state actors.
  • Professional selection and advancement under these conditions require elite signaling of loyalty to ‘progressive’ universalism as the trending state-sanctioned ideology, which further fuels the push towards interventionism. This combination of factors encourages a new institutional and elite consensus around trending shibboleths.
  • The emerging hegemonic posture and its moral imperialism are at odds with a sober and realistic appraisal of U.S. interests on the world stage, as they create untenable, maximalist, and utopian goals that clash with the concrete realities on which U.S. grand strategy must be based.
  • The liberal Atlanticist tendency to push moralism and social engineering globally has immense potential to create backlash in foreign, especially non-Western, societies that will come to identify the West as a whole with niche, late-modern progressive ideals—thus motivating new forms of anti-Westernism.
Executive Summary
The primacist, interventionist wing of the United States foreign policy establishment—’the Blob’—has a long history of using prevailing moralist trends to serve as ideological justifications for expansionist and hawkish policies. From Presidents William McKinley and Woodrow Wilson on through the militant democracy promotion of the George W. Bush administration, this process often mutated to accommodate the de jour proclivities and entrenched biases of the policy-making class. The newest iteration of this process is the adoption of social justice causes and rhetoric as the explicit goals of the United States’ foreign policy. Such use and weaponization of the language of justice to advance the foreign policy objectives of the liberal Atlanticist Blob is particularly evident against regions and countries the West believes actively challenge the Liberal International Order (LIO) status quo or where it seeks to justify military and economic interventions on normative grounds.

Rather than a coordinated conspiracy directed from a central organization or even a conscious desire on the part of the participants however, this process of adopting, incorporating, and cultivating new rationales to sustain what is an idealist and internationalist strategic culture in the United States has become routinized. This entrenchment of systemic moralism in the American national security apparatus has been facilitated, and is at least partly driven, by a highly competitive professional class vying to secure their position in the system by using virtue signaling to demonstrate class solidarity to their higher ranks. This mimetic mechanism incentivizes pushing the envelope and chasing trending causes (normative mimicry)—but always in service of the imperial needs of the state where expansionism and primacy are viewed as the triumph of a universalized American conception of virtue over those forces which are viewed as being on ‘the wrong side of history’. Under such moralistic conditions, prudence, moderation, and narrower conceptions of interest—provisos of realism—could be effectively vilified as enabling oppression and injustice.

The current Wokeist incarnation of American globalist evangelism seeks not only to change the governments of other nations, but engineer their very cultures according to the Western progressive model. Its universalist framing of human values could be readily applied to violate or undermine the sovereignty of alternate political or cultural systems and justify those interventions for the domestic Western audiences in the name of ‘moral responsibility’.


This white paper seeks to elucidate the often hidden processes and mechanisms that have led to the consolidation of this “woke imperium” of moralistic cosmopolitanism: its historical roots, present day trends, and possible future evolution. It is also intended as a guide for advocates of realism and restraint: to help realists understand the nature of the resistance they are likely to encounter from certain sectors of the foreign policy establishment and their sympathizers as they try to realign U.S. foreign policy goals with more limited and concrete national interests.


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Horrible incident in Ohio, USA. Suicide is bad, but why take others' lives? Besides the wife, the 19 year old son, with his whole life in front of him, snuffed out. What could this be, unemployment or the threat of it, marital discord? People should be mentally and spiritually strong, and find some alternative to this course of action. Also, though this is not a prime issue at the moment, it doesn't show Indians/ethnic Indians in the best light.


 

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Horrible incident in Ohio, USA. Suicide is bad, but why take others' lives? Besides the wife, the 19 year old son, with his whole life in front of him, snuffed out. What could this be, unemployment or the threat of it, marital discord? People should be mentally and spiritually strong, and find some alternative to this course of action. Also, though this is not a prime issue at the moment, it doesn't show Indians/ethnic Indians in the best light.


Burnout from working and studying too hard to keep the 'success' meme alive. Could have been impacted by the recent tech layoffs.
 

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US troops were using commercial quiz apps to create training materials about the use and storage of nuclear weapons in European airbase.

Bellingcat journalists managed to see info on numbers of warheads, security protocols, alarm senstivity data, etc

In one case a US forces member posted an image in Facebook with a B61 bomb visible with members of the entire Squadron. Journalists managed to geo- locate the location of the image- and the location of the warhead.

Journalists used simple Google techniques to discover the leak. One involved typing really specific queries like W83+(BASE NAME) into Google. It was surprising when the note card website Chegg.com started coming up in results.
 

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History repeats itself .
there is an anecdote that after independence jinnah asked U.S for military aid and nehru asked for assistance in education and technical know-how.

pakistan got $450 million $ military aid in sept 2022, India continues to be interested in technology.

doval is in U.S, hence the activity from DC.
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“It is really a strategic bet by the two leaders . . . that creating a deeper ecosystem between the US and India will serve the strategic, economic and technological interests of both countries,” Sullivan said.
US and India launch ambitious tech and defence initiatives
 

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Now GE F414 Turbofan engines will be jointly manufactured in India..Nacho BC.

 

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Now GE F414 Turbofan engines will be jointly manufactured in India..Nacho BC.

There is no mention about which engines and ''https://www.ge.com/news/press-relea...ted-power-india-light-combat-aircraft-program ''.
Joint manufacturing of ge f414 is a done deal 1.5 decade ago.
 

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