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There is a youtube channel called String that talks about stuff that might seem like conspiracy theories but are likely true.

The Youtuber was also speaking about chaos that is going to unfold in 2023. He said Anti-National forces were planning something big and it will be a critical time for Bharat.

I thought he was just fear mongering for views but damn! If PFI wasn't sacked, we'd have surely seen unprecedented riots across the Nation next year.

These cockroaches turned a local Hijab issue into national and international. Led Anti-CAA and pretty sure they had a hand in Pseudo Farmer Riots.

They just proved how dangerous they are. They'd only be doing 10x, 20x larger riots before election.

Thankfully, Motabhai crushed them in time.

Even though I get the feeling that BJP isn't being iron-fisted enough a lot of times, at least they don't miss the critical targets.
BJP appears soft handed for one simple reason : Modi is not interested in treating the symptom but the disease.
The symptom are PFI and anti-CAA, farmer riots etc. The disease is BIF ( Break India Forces) and they have their nexus in USA ( who, in turn, use their minions in Turkey, Qatar, Germany and anglo-for-rent islanders ( the Brutish) to do their barking for murrica).

We cannot kill the dog but we sure can neuter it - which means, drying up the funding for these BIF forces in India, by drying up NGO funds.

THIS is the long game and most important geopolitical tussle for India behind the scenes - the fight for India is whether Hinduvta wins or the psuedo-liberal-secularist-BIF forces win. and the battle-ground is the funding war.

If you do not focus on this, you are reduced to a whack-a-mole approach against someone with infinite money ( Americans literally can print money outta thin air and often, do). This is a losing game, since no one can whack all the moles and all it takes is one mole not being whacked, from time to time, to keep the nation unbalanced and overextended.

What India and Indians need to do, is copy China in one critical aspect and take control of the narrative within our nations. This means, kicking out Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, youtube and google and replacing them with desi options.
 

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BJP appears soft handed for one simple reason : Modi is not interested in treating the symptom but the disease.
The symptom are PFI and anti-CAA, farmer riots etc. The disease is BIF ( Break India Forces) and they have their nexus in USA ( who, in turn, use their minions in Turkey, Qatar, Germany and anglo-for-rent islanders ( the Brutish) to do their barking for murrica).

We cannot kill the dog but we sure can neuter it - which means, drying up the funding for these BIF forces in India, by drying up NGO funds.

THIS is the long game and most important geopolitical tussle for India behind the scenes - the fight for India is whether Hinduvta wins or the psuedo-liberal-secularist-BIF forces win. and the battle-ground is the funding war.

If you do not focus on this, you are reduced to a whack-a-mole approach against someone with infinite money ( Americans literally can print money outta thin air and often, do). This is a losing game, since no one can whack all the moles and all it takes is one mole not being whacked, from time to time, to keep the nation unbalanced and overextended.

What India and Indians need to do, is copy China in one critical aspect and take control of the narrative within our nations. This means, kicking out Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, youtube and google and replacing them with desi options.
OT for this thread, and I've said the same elsewhere, but this is not the way to kill YouTube and the others. The language barrier, which acts as a retardant to foreign cultural influences, is down in this country. India is already in the grip of international cultural influences and even our RW propagates vasudhaiva kutumbakam on many occasions. Therefore, our public despises living in an overt echo chamber defined by national boundaries. As a result, its not possible to ban YouTube like websites in India. So we can't go the China way of creating a national echo chamber online.

Only way is to create an open source alternative to YouTube that creators all over the world would want to use. As it is many people across the world are worried over influence of big tech and dislike lack of transparency in YouTube algorithm and comment censoring. Recently YT disabled the dislike button. If we can create a transparent, open source alternative to it that makes foreign content creators shift from YouTube to this platform, then we can kill YouTube in the long run.

Won't happen overnight. Initially content creators will post their videos in both YT and its open source alternative. Western media will create all kinds of smoke and mirror propaganda about how its actually controlled by a fascist Indian government, etc. But over time, YT will lose relevance like pagers, orkut or facebook. This is the only way we win: by ensuring that if we can't control the medium of discourse, no one can.
 

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OT for this thread, and I've said the same elsewhere, but this is not the way to kill YouTube and the others. The language barrier, which acts as a retardant to foreign cultural influences, is down in this country. India is already in the grip of international cultural influences and even our RW propagates vasudhaiva kutumbakam on many occasions. Therefore, our public despises living in an overt echo chamber defined by national boundaries. As a result, its not possible to ban YouTube like websites in India. So we can't go the China way of creating a national echo chamber online.

Only way is to create an open source alternative to YouTube that creators all over the world would want to use. As it is many people across the world are worried over influence of big tech and dislike lack of transparency in YouTube algorithm and comment censoring. Recently YT disabled the dislike button. If we can create a transparent, open source alternative to it that makes foreign content creators shift from YouTube to this platform, then we can kill YouTube in the long run.

Won't happen overnight. Initially content creators will post their videos in both YT and its open source alternative. Western media will create all kinds of smoke and mirror propaganda about how its actually controlled by a fascist Indian government, etc. But over time, YT will lose relevance like pagers, orkut or facebook. This is the only way we win: by ensuring that if we can't control the medium of discourse, no one can.
it will require both- to create the alternative AND when the time comes for its launch, banning the service- even for a few months, to create decisive cross-over space. same for facebook, twitter, instagram, etc.
 

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it will require both- to create the alternative AND when the time comes for its launch, banning the service- even for a few months, to create decisive cross-over space. same for facebook, twitter, instagram, etc.
And I am telling you that the ban only works when the alternative so created actually takes off, which will only happen when its an open source alternative that has been designed not just for India but the whole world and as a result has takers across the world.
 

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And I am telling you that the ban only works when the alternative so created actually takes off, which will only happen when its an open source alternative that has been designed not just for India but the whole world and as a result has takers across the world.
isnt that what i just said ?? get the alternative in place, start gathering steam & crossovers, then ban for achieving critical mass ?
 

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India tested nuclear weapons, brought s400, spending billions to buy Russian equipment, brought/buying Russian oil. Its just our case.
There is lots of countries do the same or more.
China is US gateway to Asia & Africa, & Chinese supporting Russia blaming US.
Saying ''fuck off'' is not a issue, its common, but war / instability etc is not.
Here India is not against US giving weapons to Pakistan, but ''if US give weapons to Pak to attack India, then how India can thrust US during war''.
Why US not considering selling ah1z or engine to turkey helio in the place of f16 package, becz Pakistan need F16 to counter India.
F16 package cause a lot of issues to India[attack against su30mki], afghan/taliban, iran etc and its upto US work with all parties to avoided unwanted war.
Anyways its good, once again US involving issue of Pak/Afghan/Iran and India take advantage of the situation to increase economy & trade without spending billions to US weapons.
Think from US perspective: After five years, once the Paki jets get outdated and unusable, India can do Balkot again and again and without any chance for Paki to retaliate.

It'll build a sense of Hegemony for India in the Subcontinent that would be incredibly beneficial for us and it'll build a strong global image.

But if that happens, we'd have more chips on the negotiation table. Even though less likely, China itself might want to simmer down tensions with us temporarily in exchange for a stable Subcontinent so that they can focus on US.

The ideal situation for India is a weak Paki and an iron grip over the Subcontinent.

The ideal situation for US is a chaotic subcontinent with a strong but not supreme India so that India can help it by taking some burden regarding China without ever fully having complete control over the subcontinent.

It's a win-win situation for US. Once they knock down China, they will use Paki against India. But for that to happen, Paki has to "exist". So, their support to Paki will continue unless India makes it extremely costly for the US—unless it's something very out of the box, there's no cost we can impose on them in the near future.

As for trust during war, there was no trust in the first place. :rofl:.

US will act in its best interests and we'll act in ours. It just happens that our interests converge at curtailing China.

On a side note, how is China a US gateway to Asia and Africa? Aren't they fighting against each other for influence in the regions?
 

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BJP appears soft handed for one simple reason : Modi is not interested in treating the symptom but the disease.
The symptom are PFI and anti-CAA, farmer riots etc. The disease is BIF ( Break India Forces) and they have their nexus in USA ( who, in turn, use their minions in Turkey, Qatar, Germany and anglo-for-rent islanders ( the Brutish) to do their barking for murrica).

We cannot kill the dog but we sure can neuter it - which means, drying up the funding for these BIF forces in India, by drying up NGO funds.

THIS is the long game and most important geopolitical tussle for India behind the scenes - the fight for India is whether Hinduvta wins or the psuedo-liberal-secularist-BIF forces win. and the battle-ground is the funding war.

If you do not focus on this, you are reduced to a whack-a-mole approach against someone with infinite money ( Americans literally can print money outta thin air and often, do). This is a losing game, since no one can whack all the moles and all it takes is one mole not being whacked, from time to time, to keep the nation unbalanced and overextended.

What India and Indians need to do, is copy China in one critical aspect and take control of the narrative within our nations. This means, kicking out Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, youtube and google and replacing them with desi options.
Agree.

If we can win the Narrative battle, we'd have won half the war. Once we get our story right—that it's every Indians duty to keep nation first and take it to a higher level—then even if people change, institutions modify and governments collapse, we will move in the right direction.

Imo, China had the right narrative since their onset. Even though they were poor af and no industries to speak of, they had the gall to set US as their supreme enemy. The goal was always to surpass US and establish Chinese Supremacy. Sure, they went nowhere with it until the last generation and even they were surprised by it, but they got their National Narrative right.

This is where we need a lot of work. Removing the Gandhism, Socialism and Secularism crap from our narrative is a big but necessary step. We'll also have to win both the Western narrative and Jihadi narrative before consolidating the "Bharat" narrative.

What an interesting world we live in. Even though our immediate threat is China, the most they can do is take land and kill a few thousand without risking a nuclear escalation. But US, it can destroy our whole nation from within.

Most Indians wouldn't realize how sinister the US actually is.
 

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Think from US perspective: After five years, once the Paki jets get outdated and unusable, India can do Balkot again and again and without any chance for Paki to retaliate.

It'll build a sense of Hegemony for India in the Subcontinent that would be incredibly beneficial for us and it'll build a strong global image.

But if that happens, we'd have more chips on the negotiation table. Even though less likely, China itself might want to simmer down tensions with us temporarily in exchange for a stable Subcontinent so that they can focus on US.

The ideal situation for India is a weak Paki and an iron grip over the Subcontinent.

The ideal situation for US is a chaotic subcontinent with a strong but not supreme India so that India can help it by taking some burden regarding China without ever fully having complete control over the subcontinent.

It's a win-win situation for US. Once they knock down China, they will use Paki against India. But for that to happen, Paki has to "exist". So, their support to Paki will continue unless India makes it extremely costly for the US—unless it's something very out of the box, there's no cost we can impose on them in the near future.

As for trust during war, there was no trust in the first place. :rofl:.

US will act in its best interests and we'll act in ours. It just happens that our interests converge at curtailing China.

On a side note, how is China a US gateway to Asia and Africa? Aren't they fighting against each other for influence in the regions?
On a side note, how is China a US gateway to Asia and Africa?
All above OK.
China helps to sell US products to Asia & Africa, where US failed to gain market directly. US don't know how to adopt market conditions of Asia & Africa, China does, US builds in China and sells through Chinese ways. Now a days US hiring a lots of Asians to bypass China and to access Asian markets directly, and India top of the list.
Aren't they fighting against each other for influence in the regions?
Where ? I don't seen any. Chinese influence increasing due to US policies and Chinese loans/engineering plus disintegration of USSR. US fighting against China in tech domain.
 

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Think from US perspective: After five years, once the Paki jets get outdated and unusable, India can do Balkot again and again and without any chance for Paki to retaliate.

It'll build a sense of Hegemony for India in the Subcontinent that would be incredibly beneficial for us and it'll build a strong global image.

But if that happens, we'd have more chips on the negotiation table. Even though less likely, China itself might want to simmer down tensions with us temporarily in exchange for a stable Subcontinent so that they can focus on US.

The ideal situation for India is a weak Paki and an iron grip over the Subcontinent.

The ideal situation for US is a chaotic subcontinent with a strong but not supreme India so that India can help it by taking some burden regarding China without ever fully having complete control over the subcontinent.

It's a win-win situation for US. Once they knock down China, they will use Paki against India. But for that to happen, Paki has to "exist". So, their support to Paki will continue unless India makes it extremely costly for the US—unless it's something very out of the box, there's no cost we can impose on them in the near future.

As for trust during war, there was no trust in the first place. :rofl:.

US will act in its best interests and we'll act in ours. It just happens that our interests converge at curtailing China.

On a side note, how is China a US gateway to Asia and Africa? Aren't they fighting against each other for influence in the regions?
we also have converging interest with china to kick usa out of asia. its a 3 way poker game essentially.
On the surface of it, China is india's enemy #1 because of our border disputes. But look closer and our #1 enemy is actually USA. This is because while China is a political enemy of India, we are civilisational cousins, whereas, while USA is political ally of India, we are civilisational enemies. This is because, China and India are not threatened at its core by each other's rise - India has always been host to a multicultural, multi-ethnic dharmocracy ( yes, i have coined that word), while China has always been a dominant ethnicity (Han) , order and harmony based Confucian society ( whether one follows Buddhism, traditional chinese religion or Taoism or even communism, the framework is always an order based confuciocracy).
Our dharmocracy is essentially secularism, as our religions do not directly curtail each other's existence like totalitarian, abrahamic desert cult religions do.
It is THIS aspect, along with our innate multiculturalism, that is a crisis of identity for USA, as we are direct challengers to its ' democratic, secular & multicultural leader of the free world' status.

It is THIS reason, why despite actual wars and border clashes, Chinese media has never gone on an 'evil hinduvta/dirty rape capital blahblahblah' propaganda rant on us, while our 'supposed friend' USA routinely uses these propaganda means to keep a negative Indian image at the forefront of their national consciousness.
 

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we also have converging interest with china to kick usa out of asia. its a 3 way poker game essentially.
On the surface of it, China is india's enemy #1 because of our border disputes. But look closer and our #1 enemy is actually USA. This is because while China is a political enemy of India, we are civilisational cousins, whereas, while USA is political ally of India, we are civilisational enemies. This is because, China and India are not threatened at its core by each other's rise - India has always been host to a multicultural, multi-ethnic dharmocracy ( yes, i have coined that word), while China has always been a dominant ethnicity (Han) , order and harmony based Confucian society ( whether one follows Buddhism, traditional chinese religion or Taoism or even communism, the framework is always an order based confuciocracy).
Our dharmocracy is essentially secularism, as our religions do not directly curtail each other's existence like totalitarian, abrahamic desert cult religions do.
It is THIS aspect, along with our innate multiculturalism, that is a crisis of identity for USA, as we are direct challengers to its ' democratic, secular & multicultural leader of the free world' status.

It is THIS reason, why despite actual wars and border clashes, Chinese media has never gone on an 'evil hinduvta/dirty rape capital blahblahblah' propaganda rant on us, while our 'supposed friend' USA routinely uses these propaganda means to keep a negative Indian image at the forefront of their national consciousness.
Except for the point that USA is our civilizational enemy and China our political enemy, I don't agree with the rest.

China and India are threatened by each other's rise! No sane power would want a power to grow much stronger than itself.

China today has gone far ahead of India and India is threatened by China's rise.

China is slowing done and India is racing ahead, so China too is feeling a thread from India. That's why the Galvan clash. That's why they support Paki. To keep India from rising and becoming a threat.

China's view of India has changed overtime. In the first millenia, China viewed India as a place of great learning, prosperity and spirituality.

But the moment India was colonized, and Indian sepoys were posted in British controlled Chinese territories, Chinese lost respect for India.

Fast forward to Independence, Our way of Non-Violent Freedom (Which is a sham) is despised by the Mao Zedong who believed in supremacy of "Gun" to attain Freedom.

Due to Nehru and Gandhism, India was never viewed as a threat by the Chinese. After 1962, they no longer viewed India as an "enemy". In their opinion, 1962 was a "Lesson taught" to India and it had become a scar in our history.

The Chinese imaginary and ideological enemy from then on had been the USA. Only recently did that imaginary enmity solidify into a real one.

China doesn't vilify Hindus because most Chinese barely know what Hindus are like. They are more interested in the western culture.

Because pragmatically, the current India doesn't pose much of a threat to China. So, they just don't give a F. Don't mistake their indifference to acceptance.

And moreover, them not vilifying Hindus doesn't mean they aren't doing anything. Heck, they are doing a lot of things behind the scenes. Northeastern insurgencies are funded by China, Pakistan's army is supported by them, both in terms of money and technology.

The Han Chinese are the same people who are okay with Xinjiang genocide. The Uyghur community's population will half in a few decades. Mind you, Han and Uyghurs in Xinjiang are roughly the same in number—44% and 42%.

So, in the near future, Xinjiang will be Han majority and will continue to grow more and more Han until the Uyghur culture is erased. If China ever gets hold of any Indian land and population, they'll follow the same practice. Slow but sure extermination of entire populace.
Whatever cruel means you can think of, they'll use.

Civilization Cousins? Bruh. Your average Chinese disrespects average Indian way more than average American.

It's a really sad state of affairs to see this view.

Anyway, once India grows enough to threaten China, you'll see how much of a "civilization cousin" we are.

Both China and US are enemies. But like all international relationships, this isn't cut throat. Once we achieve enough strength, we can co-exist despite the hostilities because conflict would be too costly for any party.
 

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Except for the point that USA is our civilizational enemy and China our political enemy, I don't agree with the rest.

China and India are threatened by each other's rise! No sane power would want a power to grow much stronger than itself.

China today has gone far ahead of India and India is threatened by China's rise.

China is slowing done and India is racing ahead, so China too is feeling a thread from India. That's why the Galvan clash. That's why they support Paki. To keep India from rising and becoming a threat.

China's view of India has changed overtime. In the first millenia, China viewed India as a place of great learning, prosperity and spirituality.

But the moment India was colonized, and Indian sepoys were posted in British controlled Chinese territories, Chinese lost respect for India.

Fast forward to Independence, Our way of Non-Violent Freedom (Which is a sham) is despised by the Mao Zedong who believed in supremacy of "Gun" to attain Freedom.

Due to Nehru and Gandhism, India was never viewed as a threat by the Chinese. After 1962, they no longer viewed India as an "enemy". In their opinion, 1962 was a "Lesson taught" to India and it had become a scar in our history.

The Chinese imaginary and ideological enemy from then on had been the USA. Only recently did that imaginary enmity solidify into a real one.

China doesn't vilify Hindus because most Chinese barely know what Hindus are like. They are more interested in the western culture.

Because pragmatically, the current India doesn't pose much of a threat to China. So, they just don't give a F. Don't mistake their indifference to acceptance.

And moreover, them not vilifying Hindus doesn't mean they aren't doing anything. Heck, they are doing a lot of things behind the scenes. Northeastern insurgencies are funded by China, Pakistan's army is supported by them, both in terms of money and technology.

The Han Chinese are the same people who are okay with Xinjiang genocide. The Uyghur community's population will half in a few decades. Mind you, Han and Uyghurs in Xinjiang are roughly the same in number—44% and 42%.

So, in the near future, Xinjiang will be Han majority and will continue to grow more and more Han until the Uyghur culture is erased. If China ever gets hold of any Indian land and population, they'll follow the same practice. Slow but sure extermination of entire populace.
Whatever cruel means you can think of, they'll use.

Civilization Cousins? Bruh. Your average Chinese disrespects average Indian way more than average American.

It's a really sad state of affairs to see this view.

Anyway, once India grows enough to threaten China, you'll see how much of a "civilization cousin" we are.

Both China and US are enemies. But like all international relationships, this isn't cut throat. Once we achieve enough strength, we can co-exist despite the hostilities because conflict would be too costly for any party.
Ofcourse, eveyone wants to be the only king and no one likes a consortium of kings and will see any rival as...well a rival.

But there is a big difference between a rival and an enemy. the reason china is a rival to india and vice versa, is that we will both compete for influence and resources.

The reason why India and USA are ENEMIES is because India is after USA's crown. Think of it like the Ottoman turks & most muslim dynasties : other kingdoms and empires are your rivals, but often, your own son is your enemy, the most likely to kill you,because he is after your crown. USA sees us as the prince who is getting more and more capable, one day de-throning him from his throne, while China is another kingdom- to be waged war against and conquered or kept in check.

China is treating us the same way one would, to keep a rival in check - to weaken their country, to fragment their power and keep them in check.
USA is treating us the same way as one would treat their enemy - to go after our very core essence and set up the ground-will ( both in its own nation and in ours, amongst their gungadeens) to delete our very core essence.

This is the main reason why US and western media are deeply hinduphobic and hindumisic but not islamophobic: islam will always be the 'other' to the western free secular world, not a variation of it like eastern dharmocracy is.
 

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The point is you are behaving like a total retard.:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
The point is platform is still owned by UK based company earning them hard $$$.
Our telecom infrastructure is imported from Finland, Taiwan, PRC, Sweden, US, etc. earning them hard $$$.
The OS is owned by US based company, so is the computer hardware and the list goes on.
Do you want me to continue?
And you are behaving like a westoid cocksucking simp that is eager to open her legs just like those Indian kings that meekly surrendered when the British came in and took over.
 

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...I'm assuming you're trying to joke. Anyway, our ancestors invented the numbers centuries ago but we can't use that to earn $$$. Brits invented these companies a few decades ago but they can not only earn $$, they can also exert influence.

Most of our great achievements are in the distant past while the West's are in the recent past. So, they enjoy the dividends of their fathers and grandfathers in the Tech domain.

And the original point was the prospect of India's Tech Independence or the lack of it.
His post was pretty much non-sequitur and pointless and therefore I was mocking him.
 

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Except for the point that USA is our civilizational enemy and China our political enemy, I don't agree with the rest.

China and India are threatened by each other's rise! No sane power would want a power to grow much stronger than itself.

China today has gone far ahead of India and India is threatened by China's rise.

China is slowing done and India is racing ahead, so China too is feeling a thread from India. That's why the Galvan clash. That's why they support Paki. To keep India from rising and becoming a threat.

China's view of India has changed overtime. In the first millenia, China viewed India as a place of great learning, prosperity and spirituality.

But the moment India was colonized, and Indian sepoys were posted in British controlled Chinese territories, Chinese lost respect for India.

Fast forward to Independence, Our way of Non-Violent Freedom (Which is a sham) is despised by the Mao Zedong who believed in supremacy of "Gun" to attain Freedom.

Due to Nehru and Gandhism, India was never viewed as a threat by the Chinese. After 1962, they no longer viewed India as an "enemy". In their opinion, 1962 was a "Lesson taught" to India and it had become a scar in our history.

The Chinese imaginary and ideological enemy from then on had been the USA. Only recently did that imaginary enmity solidify into a real one.

China doesn't vilify Hindus because most Chinese barely know what Hindus are like. They are more interested in the western culture.

Because pragmatically, the current India doesn't pose much of a threat to China. So, they just don't give a F. Don't mistake their indifference to acceptance.

And moreover, them not vilifying Hindus doesn't mean they aren't doing anything. Heck, they are doing a lot of things behind the scenes. Northeastern insurgencies are funded by China, Pakistan's army is supported by them, both in terms of money and technology.

The Han Chinese are the same people who are okay with Xinjiang genocide. The Uyghur community's population will half in a few decades. Mind you, Han and Uyghurs in Xinjiang are roughly the same in number—44% and 42%.

So, in the near future, Xinjiang will be Han majority and will continue to grow more and more Han until the Uyghur culture is erased. If China ever gets hold of any Indian land and population, they'll follow the same practice. Slow but sure extermination of entire populace.
Whatever cruel means you can think of, they'll use.

Civilization Cousins? Bruh. Your average Chinese disrespects average Indian way more than average American.

It's a really sad state of affairs to see this view.

Anyway, once India grows enough to threaten China, you'll see how much of a "civilization cousin" we are.

Both China and US are enemies. But like all international relationships, this isn't cut throat. Once we achieve enough strength, we can co-exist despite the hostilities because conflict would be too costly for any party.
In your other post you were telling me that we need to stay low and abide until we get our strength. Well it doesn't work that way. China didn't stay low during the Korea War or during the 60s and 70s against USSR or change its path in the aftermath of Tinammen Square. China basically told the West and USSR to fuck off. Now look at where China is today. So far ahead of India in space, tech, infrastructure, economy, etc.

Sometimes it pays off to say fuck off and do what you need to do instead of cower and meekly accept the conditions handed out by others and pass it off as being the smart thing to do and not be retarded about it as Dark Sorrow would put it.

Well no shit Sherlock Holmes, running away is a smart thing to do, for a coward that is. It is the smartest thing to do every time until it is too late. When it is too late, you are shit up the creek without a paddle.
 

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In your other post you were telling me that we need to stay low and abide until we get our strength. Well it doesn't work that way. China didn't stay low during the Korea War or during the 60s and 70s against USSR or change its path in the aftermath of Tinammen Square. China basically told the West and USSR to fuck off. Now look at where China is today. So far ahead of India in space, tech, infrastructure, economy, etc.

Sometimes it pays off to say fuck off and do what you need to do instead of cower and meekly accept the conditions handed out by others and pass it off as being the smart thing to do and not be retarded about it as Dark Sorrow would put it.

Well no shit Sherlock Holmes, running away is a smart thing to do, for a coward that is. It is the smartest thing to do every time until it is too late. When it is too late, you are shit up the creek without a paddle.
China is ahead for the same reason that it is 'great dictators' like Ashoka, Chandragupta Vikramaditya, Amoghavarsha, DevPal, Rajendra Chola, Peter the great, etc have advanced and progressed their nations far mor than any democracy ever has : the fundamntal trade-off between democracy and dictatorship is low risk, low reward vs high risk, high reward. Democracies, even the most 'efficient' like American democracies, are mediocre perfromers in comparison to high performing dictatorships. But these mediocre democracies don't have to risk having a Timur or Hitler or Nader Shah. No cycle of 'amazing developer for 40 years, followed by brutal genocier for 40 years'.

In democracy, the fundamental rule is, you spend the last 12-18 months of your rule, preparing for the next democratic cycle. the country, its development, its needs can go to hell, coz if we take a risk and fail, we lose power.
In dictatorships, they can afford to make a 10-15 year plan and stick to it, coz there isnt any election to lose.

As such, India is the tortoise, China is the hare in this race and all we can do, is hope the parable holds true in real life, in future.
 

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BJP appears soft handed for one simple reason : Modi is not interested in treating the symptom but the disease.
The symptom are PFI and anti-CAA, farmer riots etc. The disease is BIF ( Break India Forces) and they have their nexus in USA ( who, in turn, use their minions in Turkey, Qatar, Germany and anglo-for-rent islanders ( the Brutish) to do their barking for murrica).

We cannot kill the dog but we sure can neuter it - which means, drying up the funding for these BIF forces in India, by drying up NGO funds.

THIS is the long game and most important geopolitical tussle for India behind the scenes - the fight for India is whether Hinduvta wins or the psuedo-liberal-secularist-BIF forces win. and the battle-ground is the funding war.

If you do not focus on this, you are reduced to a whack-a-mole approach against someone with infinite money ( Americans literally can print money outta thin air and often, do). This is a losing game, since no one can whack all the moles and all it takes is one mole not being whacked, from time to time, to keep the nation unbalanced and overextended.

What India and Indians need to do, is copy China in one critical aspect and take control of the narrative within our nations. This means, kicking out Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, youtube and google and replacing them with desi options.

I like the way you think. It is also important to distribute our FOREX across non-$$ trading as much as possible. The lesser we consume $$ the more control we will have over its attempts to sabotage. This should be pushed in the areas of oil trade with specific countries. Russia is obvious. Saudi recently announced they are discussing but I don't see them rubbing the US off beyond a certain limit. This means we should also push for Rupee/other-denominated trade with other oil producers.

The more wind we take out of $ sails, the lesser it will be able to fund the nuisance as $ would depriciate.
 

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I like the way you think. It is also important to distribute our FOREX across non-$$ trading as much as possible. The lesser we consume $$ the more control we will have over its attempts to sabotage. This should be pushed in the areas of oil trade with specific countries. Russia is obvious. Saudi recently announced they are discussing but I don't see them rubbing the US off beyond a certain limit. This means we should also push for Rupee/other-denominated trade with other oil producers.

The more wind we take out of $ sails, the lesser it will be able to fund the nuisance as $ would depriciate.
You say KSA would not cross the US..
1. They are ready to trade in Yuan.
2. KSA will happily replace the US as the guarantor of "security" with China or even us, provided we get our shit together.
3.I have a feeling that if KSA joins the BRICS ( they have expressed interest)..There is enough critical mass for a SDR type currency between all BRICS members.
 

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You say KSA would not cross the US..
1. They are ready to trade in Yuan.
2. KSA will happily replace the US as the guarantor of "security" with China or even us, provided we get our shit together.
3.I have a feeling that if KSA joins the BRICS ( they have expressed interest)..There is enough critical mass for an SDR-type currency among all BRICS members.
KSA's security is still completely in American hands. 90%+ assets in the Saudi military arsenal are American-supplied.

All the CIA has to do is instigate someone else from another tribe to "rise up" against MBS. If they aren't doing it, this simply means that the US is not seeing its effect on their economy yet. This is a country that flattens other countries for a mere whim. Do you really think they can't engineer a firestorm against Saudis?

So far, £ and € are getting pounded from all directions and the USD is rising due to Federal Reserve rate hikes + geopolitical circumstances. However, they can't keep hiking the rates as it would send US economic growth into a tailspin in the medium run.

Once £ and € stabilize, the effect of increased non-$ trade start showing. That's when the real game will start.
 

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