India US Relations

[cannonfodder]

Source for CCP funding Naxals? Didn’t china refuse to fund them?

As tension simmers in Ladakh, China may look to exploit NE India insurgent groups for intelligence, create fifth column

With the ongoing problem with China which has also seen heightened activities and mobilisation of Chinese troops in the eastern sector, the Chinese will desire more tactical and strategic information from the North East based insurgent groups.

www.firstpost.com

You can also see post by some BRF members as well when the salami slicing started post covid which elaborates the chinese views on Indians in general. The Chinese on their forums call us as red monkeys ( in remembrance of the turbans used by indian soldiers under British controls) who needs to be shown its place. You can search on this more and find some references on this forum itself.

 

[Chimaji Appa]

As tension simmers in Ladakh, China may look to exploit NE India insurgent groups for intelligence, create fifth column

With the ongoing problem with China which has also seen heightened activities and mobilisation of Chinese troops in the eastern sector, the Chinese will desire more tactical and strategic information from the North East based insurgent groups.

www.firstpost.com

You can also see post by some BRF members as well when the salami slicing started post covid which elaborates the chinese views on Indians in general. The Chinese on their forums call us as red monkeys ( in remembrance of the turbans used by indian soldiers under British controls) who needs to be shown its place. You can search on this more and find some references on this forum itself.

These are nationalistic comments which are a result of the border tensions between both of the countries, which is why China is at edge with India. Peace would, IMO, be best here. China is only Communist by name, they fight more of an authoritative government or dictatorship.

We shouldn’t fight China only in the interest of American democracy. We need to fight China for our own land benefits, which we do. That’s it. Whatever China does elsewhere to places of no concern to us should be just treated as that only. In the end, we cannot let Western Wokeism infiltrate the minds of the younger generation.

 

[cannonfodder]

I have already talked about balancing between Chinese and US as both are aiming to remain or attain their #1 status. I am not suggesting to go after one or the other. Chinese were funding insurgencies even before this when they were nowhere in contest from 1970's and naxal movement today runs right upto AP.

Other than that Chinese polity does not view India favorably. They want dominance over Asia, territorial/border are just part of disputes. They have their eyes set on dominating all neighboring countries, specially they will eye entire trade routes etc that happens in Asia. I will leave it that - you can believe what ever you want like Hindi chini bhai bhai until another thing salami slicing attempt happens and then the next one or another cyber attack. This is just the nature of power.

 

[Chimaji Appa]

My stance is this: Fight China our own benefits, not for America. Right now that is what we are doing.

 

[Indrajit]

The thing is, our disputes with China are compeletly territorial. China isn’t trying to disintegrate our society with woke values like America is through their NGOs. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, we need to base our relationships with China based on our own interests, and not fight them becuase some man in the White House wants us to resist them for democratic states. India and China descend from two great civilizations. America doesn’t. That’s the difference.

That's not true, Indian disputes with China are not just territorial. It has to do with China's perception of the world and its idea of what sort of an international order it wants. There is no place for India but as a vassal/subservient state in their view. Towards that end they have armed Pakistan with nuclear weapons and missiles and support it in international forums against India including on terrorism. I don't get all the apologists for China, this is our deadliest enemy that would be happy to see us destroyed and no amount of talk about great civilisations count. They have zero respect for our civilization and even less for our concerns.

Our interests with the US are different from the US interests with us but where it suits both of us, we will do what we can. There is a very naive idea of the world where the US should help us with China but we should do nothing for them. Doesn't work in either personal or international relationships. There is quid pro quo everywhere, the alternative is to get down on our knees to China and offer up our backsides.

Anyone advocating ruining our relationship with the US is helping advance China's cause. Not appreciating economics of our relationship with the US in particular and the West in general is not a good way to go about discussing these issues. To equate China with the US is as muddle headed a view as there can be.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Source for CCP funding Naxals? Didn’t china refuse to fund them?

Maoist get ideology and funding from chinese. NE groups get weapons from chinese through myanmar.

 

[srevster]

Foreigners in US help it fight with China. Otherwise the domestic capacity would have been decimated long time ago.

 

[srevster]

Compared to 2014. Without foreign talent, US is a waning superpower.

 

[Chimaji Appa]

That's not true, Indian disputes with China are not just territorial. It has to do with China's perception of the world and its idea of what sort of an international order it wants. There is no place for India but as a vassal/subservient state in their view. Towards that end they have armed Pakistan with nuclear weapons and missiles and support it in international forums against India including on terrorism. I don't get all the apologists for China, this is our deadliest enemy that would be happy to see us destroyed and no amount of talk about great civilisations count. They have zero respect for our civilization and even less for our concerns.

Our interests with the US are different from the US interests with us but where it suits both of us, we will do what we can. There is a very naive idea of the world where the US should help us with China but we should do nothing for them. Doesn't work in either personal or international relationships. There is quid pro quo everywhere, the alternative is to get down on our knees to China and offer up our backsides.

Anyone advocating ruining our relationship with the US is helping advance China's cause. Not appreciating economics of our relationship with the US in particular and the West in general is not a good way to go about discussing these issues. To equate China with the US is as muddle headed a view as there can be.

We trade the most with China: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56164154

I am not saying have a bad relationship, but have one that isn’t special. America doesn’t respect who doesn’t get on their knees to them anyway.

 

[srevster]

We trade the most with China: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56164154

I am not saying have a bad relationship, but have one that isn’t special. America doesn’t respect who doesn’t get on their knees to them anyway.

But the trade hurts india more than it helps

 

[Chimaji Appa]

But the trade hurts india more than it helps

Then why does India keep trading?

 

[fooLIam]

We trade the most with China: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56164154

I am not saying have a bad relationship, but have one that isn’t special. America doesn’t respect who doesn’t get on their knees to them anyway.

China is the same. As far as trade goes, with china we have unfavourable trade and with US A favourable.
IMHO both china and USA have their own goals. it is not good favouring one over another. Best would be Indian institutions should find a way to milk this situation that can only happen if they have ambitions and vision.

 

[ezsasa]

But the trade hurts india more than it helps

It's not India specific, it's with almost every major economy. choice was made by the west to outsource manufacturing to china 30 years ago, even today they are not planning to reverse this trend.

 

[Indrajit]

We trade the most with China: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56164154

Have a look at that trade with China and compare it with trade with the US. To say that trade with China is beneficial to us is a joke, pretty much the trade equivalent of offering up our backsides.

 

[Indrajit]

Then why does India keep trading?

That was because our "leaders" decided that if we pay the trade equivalent of a "haftha" to China, they would then leave the borders alone. The Chinese, being Chinese didn't feel the same way.

 

[Varoon2]

Indians should be wary of the US media and the woke activists. But at the government, military, and most of all, economic level, relations are solid. Some judiciousness and astuteness is called for here. There are disputes, disagreements with the US economically as well, but India can manage them. China is intent on full spectrum domination in Asia and Africa if not the world.

 

[Chimaji Appa]

Indians should be wary of the US media and the woke activists. But at the government, military, and most of all, economic level, relations are solid. Some judiciousness and astuteness is called for here. There are disputes, disagreements with the US economically as well, but India can manage them. China is intent on full spectrum domination in Asia and Africa if not the world.

Do you think India should adopt an aggressive Policy like China?

 

[Varoon2]

In a word, no. But with respect to the media and woke activists, India should ban the activists( which India probably has done for the most part) and kick out a large number of media outlets. Not all of them though. Just the ones that are repeatedly one sided, and the government should make it clear that is the reason. The gross imbalance in their reportage. It should be strong and steadfast in handling the fall out.

 

[srevster]

Then why does India keep trading?

Lazy policy, no subsidization of Indian manufacturing to compete. Poor negotiation at WTO. No pressure on Chinese protectionism.
Chinese phone companies can sell in India, but can India do that in China.
Can India make maps in China?
Can India make an internet company in China?

india is a free market system.
China is a state sponsored system with protectionism.

india is losing because the Chinese state provides billions of dollars to undercut competition and flood the market with its goods. Once the competition dies, they gradually raise prices to make a healthy margin again. Through VC money or state subsidies, they can kill domestic competition in India. On the other hand, Indians look at business people with contempt and don’t support them.

 

[Chimaji Appa]

Made my stance clear on US relations: I would personally hate wokeness to infiltrate Indian Society. US has never been a trustworthy ally to anyone, keep that distance while doing beneficial business.