India US Relations

[srevster]

In other words 50 million out of 300 million is foreign born.

that’s like saying 220 million immigrants in India. This is the only reason US is a superpower. They make the best climate for people to immigrate and succeed. So in 50 years will the deep state be run by AngloSaxons or some other ethnicity. We don’t know; India benefits by having more migration to US and stronger people to people relations. At the end of the day, India’s biggest export is its people and in the long term this will be a boon for India because those people will look to have one foot in their country of residence and one foot in their Country of origin. This is what makes India integrated with the world.

 

[srevster]

what makes you think it is not happening right now?

US companies who see value in certain aspects of their business are already here, list of some of the major that are already here for decades.

Agilent	Agro Tech	American Express
Amway	Avaya	Caltex
Caterpillar	CB Richard Ellis	Cisco
Citigroup	Coca Cola	Cognizant
Colgate Palmolive	CSC	Cummins
Discovery	Dupont	EDS
Eli Lilly	Emerson Electric	EXL
Federal Express	Ford	Franklin Templeton
GE	General Motors	Gillette
Honeywell India	IBM	Intel
Johnson & Johnson	JPMorgan	Kellogg India
Kimberly Clark	Kodak	McDonalds
Metlife India	Microsoft	Morgan Stanley
New York Life	Ogilvy and Mather	Oracle
Pepsico	Pfizer	Pizza Hut
Sun Microsystems	Texas	Tecumseh
Timex	Tyco	UPS India
Visteon	Whirlpool	Xerox Modicorp

That’s my point, so why are discussing Russia vs USA hedging. There is no comparison or competition on who we are siding with.

also India should start attracting foreign talent as well. Allowing better immigration policy for high net worth individuals and smart people world wide is important. But our citizenship laws are very unfriendly and our government has colonial PTSD to encourage that.

 

[ezsasa]

That’s my point, so why are discussing Russia vs USA hedging. There is no comparison or competition on who we are siding with.

Russia hedging is not against US, it is against CCP. if US and Russia has a problem with each other, that's between those two.

 

[srevster]

Russia hedging is not against US, it is against CCP. if US and Russia has a problem with each other, that's between those two.

CCP and Russia are allies. Russia is taking India for a ride because we are gullible. We cannot ween those two from each other. They share an ideology and they both have a common enemy.

from our perspective, America is enriching our immigrant people and also simultaneously investing in India. Russia fooled India regarding China’s war game exercises and provided cover for their land grab.

 

[HitmanBlood]

there are a couple things that break this theory.

white population average age is getting old fast. US imports people to keep its population young and hard working. This trend is accelerating. The deep state will eventually have Indians running a large portion.

bottom line India is the only source of talent that US can import in large volume to keep its edge on technology. Without the immigration from countries like India, US becomes irrelevant. Furthermore, labor is expensive in US. Building that technology in countries like China made sense in the 90’s when the people in power were literally yielding to US presidents.

Bhai Saab you are forgetting one major issue. Indians are at the forefront of building the best technology in the USA, whether it is Intel, Arm, AI, Medicine, and other industries. We dominate everything.

USA will seek to emulate the same within Indian borders. The corporations here have no loyalty to their country. You think American corporations care about the local population here? They wouldn’t have given all manufacturing to China in the 80’s if that’s the case. US cares about one thing; maintaining technical edge by importing the best talent. Keep the local population uninformed about global policy. The deep state meddles with foreign affairs to maintain hegemony. The trick is that foreign affairs can be influenced by lobbying and corporations can be influenced by integrating deeply with US economy and having Indian shareholders in US companies.

Next step is US corporations will seek to reproduce their success in India using a cheaper talent pool. The talent pool in India will level up and eventually focus on domestic market. This leads to local home grown innovation in India. uS recognizes this and is looking to collaborate, because if they don’t Indians can just stay in India and focus on domestic problems. If the incentives for good talent are good enough, there is no use case to migrate to US. The upward mobility of Indians is to entice immigration and retain talent to maintain an edge. That’s why you see so many Indian CEOs. The US wants hard working immigrants who keep their head down, don’t complain and get the job done. The local population is not wired to work this way because of the excessive pampering and lavish lifestyles.

we need three decades of keeping our heads down and deeply integrating with US economy and eventually the talent pool in India will shift corporate loyalties in the US to the Indian market. Just like how Disney kowtows to CCP for want of domestic Chinese market.

Indians isn't a race but a nationality. The moment someone leaves the country they stop being Indian. Hindu is maybe the word you want use here. Unfortunately Hindus doesn't have unity or will power of Jews.

Those brown people with Indian heritage sitting at top places in USA means nothing for India as a country nor any of those brown skinned people has done anything for the betterment of their motherland or their less fortunate brethren.

Coming to capitalist doing good things for India, I will believe in that once they first start to respect laws of their own country before making India a world class place.

 

[srevster]

Indians isn't a race but a nationality. The moment someone leaves the country they stop being Indian. Hindu is maybe the word you want use here. Unfortunately Hindus doesn't have unity or will power of Jews.

Those brown people with Indian heritage sitting at top places in USA means nothing for India as a country nor any of those brown skinned people has done anything for the betterment of their motherland or their less fortunate brethren.

Coming to capitalist doing good things for India, I will believe in that once they first start to respect laws of their own country before making India a world class place.

Lol what a pathetic attitude. Did the British stop being British when they colonized India? They also left their country right.

get over your mental block and stop being so defensive.

ancient India was wealthy because our citizens left India and traded in foreign places. They also had support from the motherland and unity. People will treat you like crap, if you expect to be treated like crap.

 

[ezsasa]

CCP and Russia are allies. Russia is taking India for a ride because we are gullible.

So be it. India does not have enmity with russia either. In diplomacy old friendships spanning decades are hard to come by.

going by recent events at COP26, it can be argued that US and china are taking India for a ride too. "Phase down" is a phrase from US China deal just a few days earlier, John kerry has been using it since 2016. it was pinned on India at COP26.

 

[srevster]

So be it. India does not have enmity with russia either. In diplomacy old friendships spanning decades are hard to come by.

going by recent events at COP26, it can be argued that US and china are taking India for a ride too. "Phase down" is a phrase from US China deal just a few days earlier, John kerry has been using it since 2016. it was pinned on India at COP26.

Semantics. US also joined solar alliance.

bottom line is we have reached point of no return with US, because of the 3.5 Million Indians that live there and the impact we have on US policy. Initially the Jayapals of the community will find success; but 90% of the migrants are pro-India Hindus. Everyone in my network knows someone in the state department now. It’s only a matter of time when the India lobby emerges. These positions are coveted amongst Indians because the retirement benefits are awesome. Lots of spouses with accounting or business admin skills are joining US state department for clerical and legislative jobs. If we can maintain non-enemity and also find avenues to influence US towards dharmic values, we can enjoy a couple decades of blissful growth.

it is in Russia’s interest to disrupt this, because they don’t want to lose a client. It is in China’s interest to disrupt this, because they don’t want to lose US favoritism.

 

[srevster]

The first wave of immigration was from Punjab in the 60’s for green revolution. The second wave of immigration was from 1980’s Sikh riots. The third wave was the Patel’s from Gujurat who run all the motels. The fourth wave was the high talented tech pool starting in the early 90’s. And lastly the southern states mostly dominate this migration. Most of the people who migrate from the south are devout Hindus who have started to enter US politics. In terms of immigration numbers, Bangalore and Hyderabad dominate in terms of distribution of immigration from India. That is going to be foundation of partnership between India and US.

 

[ezsasa]

Semantics. US also joined solar alliance.

That's a disheartening response, this is like
"Tuada Kutta Tommy, Sada Kutta Kutta"

Look mate, we get it. you are invested in U.S, and see everything from a U.S point of view.
We are trying to tell you, There's more than one way to skin a cat.

if white house and PMO have already openly jointly stated that both may not agree on everything but we will co-operate on every mutually agreed issue, then you might as well understand what they are trying to tell you.

 

[srevster]

Hmm. See the problem with Indian diplomats is that they are gullible. They have Nehruvian view of the world. In a world where diplomats are hedging their bets, having one hand in everyone’s business is not a winning strategy.
Even in business, you cannot be everyone’s friend. You have to enter deep partnerships with a few bets and try to conquer the world with them. You gotta piss a few people off, step on a couple toes and show your alliances. Chinese gave the middle finger to Russia to cover US friendship and capitalized on that for decades. Once they found that US was at odds with them, they are cozying up to Russia and giving middle finger to US.

india cannot be friends with China, Russia and US at the same time. India has to work on weening US away from China by signaling affinity just like the Chinese did in the 80’s. Trust goes both ways and India has to be honest with herself too. She is not the most reliable foreign partner. Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Tibet are a couple examples.

in my opinion the best policy is to double down and empower Indian diaspora by investing and supporting them.

strategic autonomy is overrated since you can change your mind at any time. Showing clear intent for a good period of time will enable meaningful interactions.

 

[asianobserve]

Hmm. See the problem with Indian diplomats is that they are gullible. They have Nehruvian view of the world. In a world where diplomats are hedging their bets, having one hand in everyone’s business is not a winning strategy.
Even in business, you cannot be everyone’s friend. You have to enter deep partnerships with a few bets and try to conquer the world with them. You gotta piss a few people off, step on a couple toes and show your alliances. Chinese gave the middle finger to Russia to cover US friendship and capitalized on that for decades. Once they found that US was at odds with them, they are cozying up to Russia and giving middle finger to US.

india cannot be friends with China, Russia and US. India has to work on weening US away from China by signaling affinity just like the Chinese did in the 80’s. Trust goes both ways and India has to be honest with herself too. She is not the most reliable foreign partner. Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Tibet are a couple examples.

in my opinion the best policy is to double down and empower Indian diaspora by investing and supporting them.

This is what I have been saying all along. You cannot have all the benefits without the commitment.

 

[ezsasa]

Hmm. See the problem with Indian diplomats is that they are gullible. They have Nehruvian view of the world. In a world where diplomats are hedging their bets, having one hand in everyone’s business is not a winning strategy.
Even in business, you cannot be everyone’s friend. You have to enter deep partnerships with a few bets and try to conquer the world with them. You gotta piss a few people off, step on a couple toes and show your alliances. Chinese gave the middle finger to Russia to cover US friendship and capitalized on that for decades. Once they found that US was at odds with them, they are cozying up to Russia and giving middle finger to US.

india cannot be friends with China, Russia and US at the same time. India has to work on weening US away from China by signaling affinity just like the Chinese did in the 80’s. Trust goes both ways and India has to be honest with herself too. She is not the most reliable foreign partner. Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Tibet are a couple examples.

in my opinion the best policy is to double down and empower Indian diaspora by investing and supporting them.

strategic autonomy is overrated since you can change your mind at any time. Showing clear intent for a good period of time will enable meaningful interactions.

what is khobragade incident and how much do you know about it?

 

[srevster]

what is khobragade incident and how much do you know about it?

She was arrested for paying under the table and housing labor at her residency. It was a diplomatic scandal. She was violated in US police custody.

once again, I blame VIP culture and entitlement here. She made herself vulnerable to US law unnecessarily. She didn’t need to have a servant in the US. Most diplomats don’t have servants.

what happened to her is wrong. The Preet Bharara douchebag tried to prosecute her, once again not a tech migrant but a political migrant. Born in Firozpur, India, his family immigrated to New Jersey in 1970. Sikh (his father), Hindu (his mother), Muslim (his wife's father) and Jewish (his wife's grandmother)." Bharara became a naturalized United States citizen in 1980. His political leanings can be influenced by the people in his family. Having Muslim in-laws and Sikh ancestry and taking US citizenship during Sikh riots. his hatred for the diplomat becomes quite clear.

Every passing year, his kind becomes a minority.

 

[Suryavanshi]

I will explain my position later but for now "death to America".
People shifting to America and telling us would u prefer Chinese vs Murican Investment is like saying would u prefer cyanide pill or jumping of the roof.

Both of you are nigg*rs.
For us India comes first rest of the world can go burn, people like me do not have vishwaguru aspirations we don't want other interfering in our business and vice Versa.

 

[srevster]

I will explain my position later but for now "death to America".
People shifting to America and telling us would u prefer Chinese vs Murican Investment is like saying would u prefer cyanide pill or jumping of the roof.

Both of you are nigg*rs.
For us India comes first rest of the world can go burn, people like me do not have vishwaguru aspirations we don't want other interfering in our business and vice Versa.

Lol, I will repeat this again. Even America depends on foreign investment. You are very uneducated on how growth is acheived in modern economies.

india was rich in the past, because of a large Indian diaspora. We didn’t get rich by staying only in India. We got rich by export, traveling to foreign countries and propagating dharmic values. If we followed your logic, there would be no Hindu temples in Bali, or we would have never ruled Singapore or the national epic of Thailand wouldn’t be Ramayan.

you can take your backwards thinking and shove it. I’m doing more for India than you buddy. Your rationale reeks of insecurity and the need to be left alone. Once again colonial PTSD.

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

Naive Murican lovers are either ignorant or deliberately choose to ignore the historical fact that America has always used aid and foreign investment to advance its imperialist agenda and objectives. Much like China.

Basically, these people want us to become a political vassal in exchange for money. Well, never gonna happen.

Death to America indeed.

 

[srevster]

Naive Murican lovers are either ignorant or deliberately choose to ignore the historical fact that America has always used aid and foreign investment to advance its imperialist agenda and objectives. Much like China.

Basically, these people want us to become a political vassal in exchange for money. Well, never gonna happen.

Death to America indeed.

Show some logic or facts on how we become a vassal by having a large diaspora.

history proves the contrary. At least know Indian history before claiming to be a stalwart representative of India’s interests

 

[ezsasa]

She was arrested for paying under the table and housing labor at her residency. It was a diplomatic scandal. She was violated in US police custody.

once again, I blame VIP culture and entitlement here. She made herself vulnerable to US law unnecessarily. She didn’t need to have a servant in the US. Most diplomats don’t have servants.

what happened to her is wrong. The Preet Bharara douchebag tried to prosecute her, once again not a tech migrant but a political migrant. Born in Firozpur, India, his family immigrated to New Jersey in 1970. Sikh (his father), Hindu (his mother), Muslim (his wife's father) and Jewish (his wife's grandmother)." Bharara became a naturalized United States citizen in 1980. His political leanings can be influenced by the people in his family. Having Muslim in-laws and Sikh ancestry and taking US citizenship during Sikh riots. his hatred for the diplomat becomes quite clear.

Every passing year, his kind becomes a minority.

so there are three kinds of Indian diaspora in U.S:

1 - a segment that organises Madison square garden and Texas event, part of USIBC and other Indo-US economic relationships.

2 - a segment that don’t care a damn about these things, they are there to make a living and doesn’t want to get involved in anything else.

3 - a segment have a ideological view of things, sometimes even work against US- India relationship.

GoI already engages with the first segment. If you are not part of the first segment, Go ahead and get involved.

 

[Cheepek]

Hmm. See the problem with Indian diplomats is that they are gullible.

Suuuuuure.
Meanwhile next US ambassador designate to India is a mayor from LA.
I am sure he's bringing with him some rich diplomatic experience.
India cannot be friends with USofA, Russia and China... But USofA can be friends with India, Pakistan and China.