India US Relations

[Chimaji Appa]

We should engage america, but be on the russian side. Americans can be exploited by showing how we stand up to china and talking about "Shared vales" etc. Problem with russia is that it will never fully alienate china as its a major defence and economic partner.

From a historical sense, Russia has been far more reliable than America.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Yep. Russia is a long term partner, america is something to be exploited for gains against china.

From a historical sense, Russia has been far more reliable than America.

 

[Chimaji Appa]

Here is Richard Nixon calling our Prime Minister some rather nice words:

 

[doreamon]

This too shall pass ... Long term reality is no other country can replace india's economical and technical relationship with USA and west and we have country with 16tr $ gdp sitting on our border . Indo west relation ll only get stronger in future . Its up to india to drive through the narratives .

 

[asianobserve]

Look at the record... India was in deep economic mess when it was closest to USSR and only started growing economically (spectacularly) when it integrated with America.

What does India get from Russia... honey traps?

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

From a historical sense, Russia has been far more reliable than America.

They didn't do it out of the goodness of their heart. They spied on us for years and years in exchange for the "help", and the only reason they were supporting us was because we would serve as an ally against America. Same reason why America was supporting Pakistan, so that it would serve as an ally against USSR. It was their Great Game, either of those two could give less of a shit about us. We were just a means to an end.

Neither America and the West or Russia, or any country for that matter can be trusted as unequivocally as is being suggested.

 

[Vinash]

What new nautanki this chap is going to start !!!
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Upcoming US Ambassador to India, LA Mayor Garcetti says, 'Groups that are actively fighting for human rights of people on the ground in India will get direct engagement from him'. Garcetti adds that speaking against discrimination will be a Core piece of his engagement with India

US, India relationship should be underpinned by our common commitments to democracy, human rights. Will raise these issues with humility, it's a two way street: Garcetti.

I have a theory as US just passed a bill to "fight" Islamophobia in the world.

Islam will never be a threat to the US. Muslims will never be 10% of the population there and the Ocean guards them from having any migratory issues India faces from Bangladesh or Pakistan.

So, they can easily use "Islam" to create unrest in places like China and India i.e their only two probable future rivals. If they can use Muslims to force another partition in India and if they can use Islamophobia excuse to go after China, it's a win-win for them.

Americans aren't naive. They have 100% knowledge of the antics Muslims have done to non-Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Yet they still remain silent and inturn try to fight for "Islamophobia". That can mean only 1 thing i.e they want to use Islam and Muslims against India and probably China though it won't be easy against China.

 

[Super Flanker]

From a historical sense, Russia has been far more reliable than America.

That's always Been the case. Even though the Russians are not as Reliable as they used to be in the past but they are far more Reliable and Trustworthy as compared to the Americans.

Why are you suprised? They even tried to help a dictatorship in 1971.

Yeah mate! Gotta Accept that Fact! We will not forget very soon what the Americans did in 1971 to us by supporting Pakistan and sending a carrier Strike group towards us!

We should engage america, but be on the russian side. Americans can be exploited by showing how we stand up to china and talking about "Shared vales" etc. Problem with russia is that it will never fully alienate china as its a major defence and economic partner.

Considering Russia's economy, they can't do much other than do many types of deal with the Chinese. Russia needs money for running it's economy. It is really in need of money for it's economy so it's understandable for them as they have no other choice.

 

[Roshan]

 

[Vinash]

Balkanization of India won't happen if it's based only on the basis of "Regions" i.e NE, South etc

"Religion + Region" on the otherhand can do it.

 

[hit&run]

Look at the record... India was in deep economic mess when it was closest to USSR and only started growing economically (spectacularly) when it integrated with America.

What does India get from Russia... honey traps?

We had our own reasons to detest USA and its minions. When UK left India and other surrounding regions, the void got filled by USA. We kept seeing them as expansionist powers. The one left and second ready to occupy. We got out independence after fighting a very long, insulting, ugly and exploitative fight which literally ripped us apart and stripped us poor and naked. We had no respect for western world on ground. NAM also originated from same hate towards exploitative hyper powers as a counterbalance. Nehru also talked about making India nuclear weapon state as a leader of the NAM world.

It is not the first time people have made comment like you using the hindsight and wrong comparisons.

Our friendship with Russia wasn’t formed in a day. Their help and support protected us at very critical times and there was no switching off, will never be after that.

There is a very popular statement for entry-level analysts that there are no friendships but national interests in geopolitics.

In reality no nation breaks the links or friendships. The strategic bonds are built to endure disagreements and tolerate tantrums. The weaning off happens very subtly depending on how you improve your self reliance index. Even in that case nothing is switched off. You remain friend and remain in business for sake of having best possible margins to move and to keep every option viable.

Being better off because of warming relationship with USA is an undeniable fact but it was suppose to follow it natural course to be where it is today. There was nothing we could have done to expedite it.

 

[ezsasa]

I have a theory as US just passed a bill to "fight" Islamophobia in the world.

Islam will never be a threat to the US. Muslims will never be 10% of the population there and the Ocean guards them from having any migratory issues India faces from Bangladesh or Pakistan.

So, they can easily use "Islam" to create unrest in places like China and India i.e their only two probable future rivals. If they can use Muslims to force another partition in India and if they can use Islamophobia excuse to go after China, it's a win-win for them.

Americans aren't naive. They have 100% knowledge of the antics Muslims have done to non-Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Yet they still remain silent and inturn try to fight for "Islamophobia". That can mean only 1 thing i.e they want to use Islam and Muslims against India and probably China though it won't be easy against China.

-Islamophobia
-Climate Change
-Freedom of expression
-Religious freedom
-Hindu nationalism
-Right to protest
-Right to dissent

all themes originating from anglosphere have the same end goal, keep us distracted and occupied while they grow their numbers.

Dec 10, 2019

Just a thought...

When you sum up all the wars and narratives against India from the west even since 1947, one thing is pretty clear they do not want Bharat to exist in its current form.

It’s so blatantly obvious, that it’s surprising that we don’t take it up as a narrative.

This narrative should be nucleus that all our other narratives should be built around.

India-Pakistan LoC/IB Skirmishes in the Aftermath of August 5 2019

No my point is that USA or any p5 memeber have no moral right to tell us about anything especially human rights issues. I mean we would still be better even if kill every single person in Kashmir (hypothetical). After all USA , China, Russia , UK , and France have killed millions of people all...

defenceforumindia.com

 

[ezsasa]

-Islamophobia
-Climate Change
-Freedom of expression
-Religious freedom
-Hindu nationalism
-Right to protest
-Right to dissent

all themes originating from anglosphere have the same end goal, keep us distracted and occupied while they grow their numbers.

@Vinash

since U.S is the "new world", it's only natural that some of the "attacks" will come from murica.

Sirji , the very existence of India is against the flow of world history for past two thousand years. all other major civilisations have been abrahamised, except for India.

There is a reason india always seems chaotic & unsettled, that’s because we are swimming against the flow.

Every year, decade & century Bharat manages to retain it’s cultural identify, it’s a big F U to last two thousand years of world history.

 

[asianobserve]

We had our own reasons to detest USA and its minions. When UK left India and other surrounding regions, the void got filled by USA. We kept seeing them as expansionist powers. The one left and second ready to occupy. We got out independence after fighting a very long, insulting, ugly and exploitative fight which literally ripped us apart and stripped us poor and naked. We had no respect for western world on ground. NAM also originated from same hate towards exploitative hyper powers as a counterbalance. Nehru also talked about making India nuclear weapon state as a leader of the NAM world.

It is not the first time people have made comment like you using the hindsight and wrong comparisons.

Our friendship with Russia wasn’t formed in a day. Their help and support protected us at very critical times and there was no switching off, will never be after that. There is a very popular statement for entry-level analysts that there are no friendships but national interests in geopolitics.

In reality no nation breaks the links or friendships. The strategic bonds are built to endure disagreements and tolerate tantrums. The weaning off happens very subtly depending on how you improve your self reliance index. Even in that case nothing is switched off. You remain friend and remain in business for sake of having best possible margins to move and to keep every option viable.

Being better off because of warming relationship with USA is an undeniable fact but it was suppose to follow it natural course to be where it is today. There was nothing we could have done to expedite it.

The USSR was an expansionist power too. Just ask the Baltic states, Eastern Europeans, Czechs. Just ask Ukraine now.

 

[doreamon]

People who are thinking of balkanising india dont understand india . Yes there are trouble regions on NE and kashmir ( exclude jammu and laddakh ) . Even in kashmir shia wld never want a separate islamic nation . And NE was way worse than what it is today . Gora saheb sitting outside india reading the wire ll think entire central india is occupied by naxals , dalits ll revolt anytime etc .. They need to come here and travel around india .
Never before in india people were sharing culture and getting in to relationship with each other like today .. Regions have become economically depended upon each other .. they are too late .

 

[Roshan]

People who are thinking of balkanising india dont understand india . Yes there are trouble regions on NE and kashmir ( exclude jammu and laddakh ) . Even in kashmir shia wld never want a separate islamic nation . And NE was way worse than what it is today . Gora saheb sitting outside india reading the wire ll think entire central india is occupied by naxals , dalits ll revolt anytime etc .. They need to come here and travel around india .
Never before in india people were sharing culture and getting in to relationship with each other like today .. Regions have become economically depended upon each other .. they are too late .

the takeaway apart from that is the mention of subnational diplomacy. this ties in with that official saying he wants to come here and speak to people about human rights abuses or the Cartel throwing it's weight behind people like Mumtaz and Kejruddin by seeing them as the representatives they want to meet/speak to. It is meant to undermine any govt whom they don't approve of even if elected democratically.

 

[Covfefe]

People who are thinking of balkanising india dont understand india . Yes there are trouble regions on NE and kashmir ( exclude jammu and laddakh ) . Even in kashmir shia wld never want a separate islamic nation . And NE was way worse than what it is today . Gora saheb sitting outside india reading the wire ll think entire central india is occupied by naxals , dalits ll revolt anytime etc .. They need to come here and travel around india .
Never before in india people were sharing culture and getting in to relationship with each other like today .. Regions have become economically depended upon each other .. they are too late .

The thing is they don't care. Balkanization might be their ideal end goal, but in the pursuit of it even a troubled India suits their agenda. And they don't give two hoots to the Wire and like, they set the narrative which these traitors publish. Like you are an academician and you get a "ticket" to some conference in LA on "Intersectional feminism within the wings of military", now what work you gotta show? So come on, start churning out those papers, articles and all other stuff that makes your bid stronger among the other traitors. They induce victimhood thru their machinery, and then they direct the ensuing chaos as per their interests.

 

[doreamon]

The thing is they don't care. Balkanization might be their ideal end goal, but in the pursuit of it even a troubled India suits their agenda. And they don't give two hoots to the Wire and like, they set the narrative which these traitors publish. Like you are an academician and you get a "ticket" to some conference in LA on "Intersectional feminism within the wings of military", now what work you gotta show? So come on, start churning out those papers, articles and all other stuff that makes your bid stronger among the other traitors. They induce victimhood thru their machinery, and then they direct the ensuing chaos as per their interests.

Yeah they have been doing this since decades . Funding missionaries , NGOs , academics , media . USSR also did this .. China , EU all do it .

 

[Covfefe]

Yeah they have been doing this since decades . Funding missionaries , NGOs , academics , media . USSR also did this .. China , EU all do it .

US is the biggest player in this domain. Communists are just ill-reputed for their propaganda. Actually neither Russia nor China has the sophistication of propaganda pursued by the US- a mix of moral summon, human rights, international conventions, cancel culture and selective outrage- they have perfected the ingredients over the years. They have a thorough dispensation mechanism spread across- think tanks to affect the policymakers and academicians, print and news media for the masses, Hollywood for the popular culture. Their misinformation marketing has the total product mix right in place.

 

[Brood Father]

US should not take India for granted ..India do have one major ace up the sleeve that would fuck up the west completely .

India can compromise on its borders with china and mends its relation with them (and yes temporary loss of face). If the choice is between complete Balkanization and a loss of face, it would be an easier choice .

The axis alliance between India China and Russia would mean goodbye to the western dominance and Indo Pacific would be the far cry for United Snakes ..

If the alliance happens then India would not need to be a democracy and switch to autocracy like China and Russia .

US needs India more than other way around .. US planners knows this very well. Given the past of India and it's romance for socialist raj Anti US sentiments around India are very easy to manipulate . They should tread very carefully ..