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CAATSA issue is being brought up by almost every American deligation coming to India makes me think maybe Biden admin is not in mood to give any waiver to India. America has already found alternative to QUAD in AUKUS. Does India factor into American plan of Asia is yet to be seen.

If sanctions are slapped on India what will India do in response? I hope babus have made a solid contingency plan.

The funny thing in this mess is, Pakistan who has helped terrorists agaist America is getting away without any concecqunces and America's "friend" India is being threatened with sanctions.
 

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CAATSA issue is being brought up by almost every American deligation coming to India makes me think maybe Biden admin is not in mood to give any waiver to India. America has already found alternative to QUAD in AUKUS. Does India factor into American plan of Asia is yet to be seen.

If sanctions are slapped on India what will India do in response? I hope babus have made a solid contingency plan.

The funny thing in this mess is, Pakistan who has helped terrorists agaist America is getting away without any concecqunces and America's "friend" India is being threatened with sanctions.
It is a well-known fact that Biden-Harris hate the nationalist government in India. They dislike anything that the global Liberal elites don't want in their way of mercantile domination. Therefore, they are trying to intimidate us.

If our side is strong, we can play hardball in either scenario.

Scenario 1: Sanctions are enforced and the US + its allies are split (the most likely scenario)

This is the most likely situation, as there are several strong lobbies in the US that would be up in arms if sanctions are enacted against a fellow ally.

Let's see:

1) QUAD formalization
2) Signing of BECA and LSA
3) Declaring India as a major non-NATO ally
4) Designating our satellites to communicate sensitive data with US military satellites at par with that of other allies, etc.
5) Position as the second-largest military buyer after Saudi Arabia with a buttload of defence opportunities in the future
6) The strategic understanding that India is a force that would make sense as an ally than as an unconcerned adversary

All this means a lot of water has gone under the INDO-US bridge.

Enacting CAATSA on us will result in 3 things here:

i) Indo-US + AIPAC swings into action to get CAATSA removed ASAP

The Indo-US lobby will work with AIPAC and associated politicians to get this removed ASAP. The combined support of the powerful Indian-American lobby + the Jewish lobby (that has robust political ties with their indian counterparts in the States) will exert a very strong pressure on Biden-Harris to roll this back.

ii) US Arms companies themselves become lobbyists for India

Companies like Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon & General Dynamics will wipe the floor with Biden's face - causing a massive political fallout. Sanctioning India means that LM, Boeing, Raytheon can kiss the world's 3rd largest defence market goodbye forever as this is the last decade in which they will ever get a chance to make money with Indian imports/ JV plans.

The Republicans along with their strong arms industry lobby that forecasts billions of worth of sales in the future with India and co-development, will be baying for Biden-Harris' Liberal blood, will highlight Biden's soft corner for Pakistan and China and will make their political life hell.

They may be Americans but in USA, the biggest God for their people is the green polymer note with dead US presidents on it from their history. 😁

iii) US's fallout with its own allies, reaffirming their biggest recent fears

The entire US Alliance is currently on a shaky ground. European Union is backing France after the Franco-Australian diplomatic debacle. The very fact that Macron immediately called PM Modi ji right after calling back the ambassadors to USA and Australia means a big, big development for the Indo-Pacific. France has territories in the Pacific and the region is a personal issue for them. They have had ties with us long, long before USA established formal strategic partnership with us.

The beneficiary of CAATSA would be France here who would get all the following joint-development opportunities and will do its nut to convince the European Union of the same.

Fun fact, 3 years ago, France started decoupling its strategic defence platforms with American technology as the French defence sector complained to Macron about US export controls impacting their own defence sales.

Now put these points along with the fact that France is trying to navigate EU away from NATO and have an EU Military Alliance, that's being debated right now in the European Parliament. Given that Merkel is no longer in power and Germany, the American pet in the EU is undergoing a political transition with no strong voice, France gets to make whatever impression it wants on the wider EU parliament. Sanctioning a major non-NATO ally will simply re-affirm the EU fears that the US is no longer a reliable partner.

Currently, Poland, Germany, Portugal and the 3 Baltic states are the biggest proponents of retaining strong American involvement in the European defense over an EU Military Alliance - due to their historic distrust of European powers that abandoned them.

The recent American actions will only strengthen French proposal in the EU. It may not cause a collapse of NATO, but it will definitely cause enough visible political disturbance that would reaffirm that the Anglosphere is only looking out for itself and doesn't give a damn about other allies.

From a NATO perspective it will be a disaster, especially after Putin's succeeding in weakening the NATO from within by pulling Turkey in its court.

Scenario 2: Entire Anglosphere-led alliance accepts US decisions and denounces India

If Biden-Harris get the support/silence from its fellow allies, then CAATSA gives us the full right to renege on all their agreements that we signed with them including their IPRs. We get to do whatever we like with the American assets, including putting them on war footing to be copied at our labs.

There is a reason why India's operational defence budget is higher than capital expenditure every year; our policy planners actively consider the spectre of a full-scale sanctions scenario, especially after Tejas debacle with Boeing. That means we have sufficient spares inventory to ensure current inventory.

This also means that India would mobilize its network around the world to hunt for stopgap measures while it gives our scientists and engineers time to reverse engineer essential parts to be made locally to keep the assets operational.

Our engineers and scientists are pretty smart; it just that the babus sitting on top of them are corrupt, to delay the projects. And when the State back them with full green-lights on, they can do a lot in a limited span of time.
 
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A step in the right Direction? Or meaningless virtue signal?
meaningless virtue signalling.

If we go by past MO the next step for Pakistan is to create a spectacular terror incident which forces the White House to talk to Islamabad.

pakistan negotiates by putting a gun to their own head.
 

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meaningless virtue signalling.

If we go by past MO the next step for Pakistan is to create a spectacular terror incident which forces the White House to talk to Islamabad.

pakistan negotiates by putting a gun to their own head.
No matter who is in power in the US, we need to accept the fact that they will never do anything that completely destroys Pakistan. Over the years, Pakistan-India relations have undergone a massive change.

When we got independence, the two countries were virtually identical in terms of capabilities. In fact, Pakistan was quite advanced, thanks to generous Western economic support. The NATO countries, especially the British and the Americans bet heavily on Pakistan then.

Transition 1: This changed post-1971, where Pakistan took the first 'downgrade' in terms of its adversarial status. Despite this geopolitical downgrade, Pakistan was still regarded as the prime military adversary.

Transition 2: Pakistan saw its second downgrade, after USSR's collapse due to Pressler Amendment. That was the first time in Pakistan's history, where it was forcefully brought down to face the ground reality of their economic situation. However, instead of contemplating the steps to reverse these downgrades, Pakistan embraced it and turned the tables with hybrid warfare of using terrorism and unidentified military assets against India.

Transition 3: The next and final downgrade came in 2014, by when India's economic credentials had evolved significantly since 1999 and was seen as a potential ally by the West since the cooperation with US for providing intel on 9/11. The downgrade continued with more and more orders of retaliations on border where Indian armed forces were given a free hand to address any hostility the best way they deemed on the spot.

Transition 4: Today, Pakistan is not seen as an adversary but a nuisance value - a harbinger of terror, but with no military or economic capacity to cause unacceptable damage. This nuisance value is what the USA considers its biggest asset; especially the CIA and NSA. Cultivating nuisance values all of the world is how the US ensures eliminating future competition.

For us, it is the Pakistanis.
For CCP, it is the Taiwanese.
For South Koreans, it is the North.
For Iran, it is Saudi Arabia and vice versa
For Israel, it is Palestine.

If the US wanted solutions, it could have assisted all these countries in completely decimating the nuisance value altogether long, long ago.

Conclusion: Simply put, Pakistan is too valuable an asset for the CIA to destroy. 15 years down the line, India will be in the same spotlight that China is today - it won't matter then whether we are democratic or not. That is the culture Kissinger cultivated in the entire US deep state. And it will be here to stay.

The fast we realize this and have PLAN B, C, D, etc. ready, the better it will be for us.
 

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The epidemic has brought a "catastrophic" blow to young people in India​

Speaking of the impact of the epidemic on the education sector in India, Sebastian Falcy, an Indian and South Asian correspondent at Radio France Internationale in New Delhi, said: “The unemployment rate has risen sharply, distance education is fraught with difficulties, loneliness, and family conditions. Poor girls are returning to housework. In a country where nearly half of the population is under 25, young people have paid a particularly painful price in this public health crisis."​

India is one of the youngest countries in the world, with more than 600 million Indians, that is, nearly half of the population is under the age of 25. According to the most recent census, 11.5% of Indians (157.7 million) are between 18 and 23 years old. In an economic downturn, these inexperienced laborers face the greatest risk.​

A UNESCO report shows that India is experiencing its worst crisis since independence in 1947. It is reported that India’s GDP has fallen by 8.5% since the epidemic. In a 3-year follow-up survey of 170,000 households, it was found that 41.2% of the respondents lost their jobs (among young people aged 15 to 24, this proportion is as high as 58.5%.).​

At the same time, the impact of the epidemic on students is unprecedented.​

According to a survey published by the "India Express", only 8% of rural children and teenagers can take online lessons, and only 37% of students in the country learn through distance learning. The severe blow to India’s economy caused by the new crown virus is the main reason for the collapse of the school system: many families cannot afford to buy electronic devices for their children to learn or to ensure a good Internet connection. Due to the scarcity of teaching materials, the low level of education of parents, and the interaction between students and teachers without Internet access, only half of the fifth grade students can read and understand the second grade text!​

Not only elementary education, but higher education has also been severely affected.​

During the lockdown, a quarter of Indian college students needed to take classes remotely. For students in private colleges, changing to distance learning is relatively smooth; but for students studying at public universities, as well as those with poor living conditions, or students who live outside the city center, this transition is more difficult .​

At the same time, the epidemic has also exacerbated social inequality. In the Mysore region of southern India, as of December 2020, 43% of public university students have given up bachelor's degree programs. The dropout rate for girls is as high as 65%. Many parents still have the idea that "affected by the crisis, many parents would rather marry their daughters."​

Those students who can continue their education are also not lucky. Negative factors such as loneliness, helplessness, and rising unemployment have led to an exponential increase in mental health problems among young people. An archive of "Prajapatra" shows that in Pid, Maharashtra, in the first seven months of 2021, as many as 25 children under the age of 18 were affected by loneliness, depression, and the psychological impact of the epidemic on young people. suicide.​

This shows that the impact of the new crown epidemic on young Indians is comprehensive and disastrous.​
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The epidemic has brought a "catastrophic" blow to young people in India​

Speaking of the impact of the epidemic on the education sector in India, Sebastian Falcy, an Indian and South Asian correspondent at Radio France Internationale in New Delhi, said: “The unemployment rate has risen sharply, distance education is fraught with difficulties, loneliness, and family conditions. Poor girls are returning to housework. In a country where nearly half of the population is under 25, young people have paid a particularly painful price in this public health crisis."​

India is one of the youngest countries in the world, with more than 600 million Indians, that is, nearly half of the population is under the age of 25. According to the most recent census, 11.5% of Indians (157.7 million) are between 18 and 23 years old. In an economic downturn, these inexperienced laborers face the greatest risk.​

A UNESCO report shows that India is experiencing its worst crisis since independence in 1947. It is reported that India’s GDP has fallen by 8.5% since the epidemic. In a 3-year follow-up survey of 170,000 households, it was found that 41.2% of the respondents lost their jobs (among young people aged 15 to 24, this proportion is as high as 58.5%.).​

At the same time, the impact of the epidemic on students is unprecedented.​

According to a survey published by the "India Express", only 8% of rural children and teenagers can take online lessons, and only 37% of students in the country learn through distance learning. The severe blow to India’s economy caused by the new crown virus is the main reason for the collapse of the school system: many families cannot afford to buy electronic devices for their children to learn or to ensure a good Internet connection. Due to the scarcity of teaching materials, the low level of education of parents, and the interaction between students and teachers without Internet access, only half of the fifth grade students can read and understand the second grade text!​

Not only elementary education, but higher education has also been severely affected.​

During the lockdown, a quarter of Indian college students needed to take classes remotely. For students in private colleges, changing to distance learning is relatively smooth; but for students studying at public universities, as well as those with poor living conditions, or students who live outside the city center, this transition is more difficult .​

At the same time, the epidemic has also exacerbated social inequality. In the Mysore region of southern India, as of December 2020, 43% of public university students have given up bachelor's degree programs. The dropout rate for girls is as high as 65%. Many parents still have the idea that "affected by the crisis, many parents would rather marry their daughters."​

Those students who can continue their education are also not lucky. Negative factors such as loneliness, helplessness, and rising unemployment have led to an exponential increase in mental health problems among young people. An archive of "Prajapatra" shows that in Pid, Maharashtra, in the first seven months of 2021, as many as 25 children under the age of 18 were affected by loneliness, depression, and the psychological impact of the epidemic on young people. suicide.​

This shows that the impact of the new crown epidemic on young Indians is comprehensive and disastrous.​
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Chong Jing Pang, good work CCP bot.

The Chink shills are fucking annoying. China is completely and utterly fucked. They are just like Japan in the year 1990 except far worse.

Japan in 1990's transitioned out of cheap manufacturing and instead its GDP was based on innovation. Despite that their population collapse set them back 30 years.

China's GDP is based on real estate and manufacturing, the 2 most population dependent sectors. China has the exact same medium age Japan did when it collapsed. However China's birth rate is 1.0 compared to Japans 1.4 and their population is falling far faster.

They are 100% fucked and saying anything else is cope.
 

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Chong Jing Pang, good work CCP bot.

The Chink shills are fucking annoying. China is completely and utterly fucked. They are just like Japan in the year 1990 except far worse.

Japan in 1990's transitioned out of cheap manufacturing and instead its GDP was based on innovation. Despite that their population collapse set them back 30 years.

China's GDP is based on real estate and manufacturing, the 2 most population dependent sectors. China has the exact same medium age Japan did when it collapsed. However China's birth rate is 1.0 compared to Japans 1.4 and their population is falling far faster.

They are 100% fucked and saying anything else is cope.
In all likelihood the poor Chong can't even read what you've posted, and he's probably spamming some other Yindo forum or SM group with the GT news article copy pastes he's tasked to do :bplease:
 

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In all likelihood the poor Chong can't even read what you've posted, and he's probably spamming some other Yindo forum or SM group with the GT news article copy pastes he's tasked to do :bplease:
They are bots, not human.
 

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In all likelihood the poor Chong can't even read what you've posted, and he's probably spamming some other Yindo forum or SM group with the GT news article copy pastes he's tasked to do :bplease:
"Copy pasting articles"

But of course. It's simply a byproduct of the process in which they were created.

Lord Brahma while creating the world and people got immensely tired when it was the turn of John Chinaman. So instead of the usual process, "Copy paste" was used.

True to their nature, the Chink workers do the same.
 

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Chong Jing Pang, good work CCP bot.

The Chink shills are fucking annoying. China is completely and utterly fucked. They are just like Japan in the year 1990 except far worse.

Japan in 1990's transitioned out of cheap manufacturing and instead its GDP was based on innovation. Despite that their population collapse set them back 30 years.

China's GDP is based on real estate and manufacturing, the 2 most population dependent sectors. China has the exact same medium age Japan did when it collapsed. However China's birth rate is 1.0 compared to Japans 1.4 and their population is falling far faster.

They are 100% fucked and saying anything else is cope.
I would say that China is heading in the direction today that Imperial Japan was during the 30s and 40s. Japan was not advanced enough to fight the Allied forces tech to tech, but was still a threat, while it rampaged and bullied its way across Asia. CCP is trying to do the same thing.
 

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On one hand Niazi is paying foreign news organisations and getting himself interviewed multiple times a month.
And on the other Killary is still holding a grudge against Pakistan, paki jernails must have hurt her ego pretty bad during her tenure.
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I am reading Hillary Clinton's new co-authored work of fiction.

The villain is a Pakistani "merchant of death" who thinks AQ Khan didn't go far enough. The US pressured Pakistan to put him in jail -- Islamabad instead put him under house arrest. Ahem.


2/ The villain, Bashir Shah, a "Walmart of weapons."

"And the Pakistani government knew what Shah was doing?"

"Yes...his goals lined up nicely with theirs"

"And those were?"

"To keep the region destabilized, to gain advantage over India, and to undermine the West"

3/ HRC novel: "🇵🇰 playing a dangerous game...Pak govt allowed us to operate mil bases in the north during our long mil presence in 🇦🇫, but they also gave safe haven to bin Laden, Al-Qaeda...Taliban...country is riddled w extremists, terrorists, supported & protected by the govt"


 

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I would say that China is heading in the direction today that Imperial Japan was during the 30s and 40s. Japan was not advanced enough to fight the Allied forces tech to tech, but was still a threat, while it rampaged and bullied its way across Asia. CCP is trying to do the same thing.
Imperial Japan during the 30s and 40s, or at least a faction within the country wanted to preserve the culture and values of Japan, whereas the CCP is actually letting the flow of degeneracy continue in their country, contrary to popular belief.

Also, Japan didn't attack America first. Pearl Harbor was a response to US blockades and interference in the Sino-Japanese war due to which Japanese civilians were starving. Roosevelt knew Pearl Harbor was about to happen but decided to let it happen instead of stopping it, because he wanted an excuse to enter the war. An Operation to fight and defeat Japan had been drafted way before Pearl Harbor even happened.

But you are correct. The expansionist streaks present in Imperial Japan is definitely there in Communist China as well, though with Japan it was limited to Asia. The Chinese Communists' ambitions actually extend all across the world.
 

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There we go ... Again onesided rant . All info sources in usa are onesided rant . All senators , policy makers follow these sources ..
This guy profile is full of such articles . One of which criticize india's arrest of naxalites .

 

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There we go ... Again onesided rant . All info sources in usa are onesided rant . All senators , policy makers follow these sources ..
This guy profile is full of such articles . One of which criticize india's arrest of naxalites .

This is New York Times we're talking about which had posted a job opening stating " Mr Modi is advocating a self sufficient muscular nationalism centred around country's Hindu majority". A paper that recruits people based on their hatred for a certain ideology or a political figure isn't a source for balanced view anyway. Most of the American/Western media has a visible Left tilt propagating cultural Marxism as a panacea. No surprises there-
 

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