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COVID Lab Leak: Dr. Anthony Fauci Under Fire For Funding Gain-of-Function Research At Wuhan Institute Of Virology

Dr.Anthony Fauci, the director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the chief medical advisor to the U.S president, faced blistering criticism during a Senate health committee hearing for funding risky "gain-of-function" research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).


only thing we gotta see is if USA and china is together in this against world nations to create a bipolar world.
well!! with the FONOP, the script seems to that.
 

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COVID Lab Leak: Dr. Anthony Fauci Under Fire For Funding Gain-of-Function Research At Wuhan Institute Of Virology

Dr.Anthony Fauci, the director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the chief medical advisor to the U.S president, faced blistering criticism during a Senate health committee hearing for funding risky "gain-of-function" research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).


only thing we gotta see is if USA and china is together in this against world nations to create a bipolar world.
well!! with the FONOP, the script seems to that.
The current Biden-Harris administration is in bed with the CCP and this was established even during the 2020 Election campaign in the United States. The deep state in the US was always keen to go further with the concept of G2 - joint control of the world.

The banning of Huawei and support of Taiwan are just theatrics. Tomorrow when the PLAN strikes into Taiwan, the US will do nothing militarily. Mark my comment here and note it down - the Quad will wither away if the current establishment continues in the United States. Japan and Australia will be ordered to pull back while leaving only us on the frontlines.

Expect a lot of deterioration of relations between the US and India in the coming years. Since the days of Hillary Clinton, the Deep State that controls both parties in Washington DC has been trying to dismantle India's nationalist narrative. It is important for PM Modi ji and his team to understand how the US deep state operates and exert control around the world. Sabotage, meddling and information warfare are its signature MO.

The US State Department has exerted a lot of pressure on India to desist from targeting Twitter, and since the NDA government is not in cohorts with the Deep State, the current cold shoulder and increasing underlying hostility between us and them.
 

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Rothschild, Rockerfeller and Soros are doubling in on increasing worldwide chaos and discord between people. Instead of more harmony, people are more aggressive, scared, divided and confused. Wherever we go, they have an opinion without logic or discussion or facts.

Their crazy religion that tells them to end the world for the 2nd coming of some divine figure is full set in action.
 
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Rothschild, Rockerfeller and Soros are doubling in on increasing worldwide chaos and discord between people. Instead of more harmony, people are more aggressive, scared, divided and confused. Wherever we go, they have an opinion without logic or discussion or facts.

Their crazy religion that tells them to end the world for the 2nd coming of some divine figure is full set in action.
They should expedite building the temple of solomon as it will generate insane drama.
 

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Rothschild, Rockerfeller and Soros are doubling in on increasing worldwide chaos and discord between people. Instead of more harmony, people are more aggressive, scared, divided and confused. Wherever we go, they have an opinion without logic or discussion or facts.

Their crazy religion that tells them to end the world for the 2nd coming of some divine figure is full set in action.
It's not religion, the religious ones are in Israel.
They do all these things because they see themselves as "enlightened" Gods who will remake the world as they see fit, free of race, language relation to tribe, traditional nations, gender roles, complete family( i.e mother, father kids ) religion, gender etc.
This is social engineering born from a rootless and godless tribe, present in every western country but not actually belonging to those countries.

You can see this throughout the decades happening in the west, most apparently since the 60's, I can go in details if you want.
 

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It's not religion, the religious ones are in Israel.
They do all these things because they see themselves as "enlightened" Gods who will remake the world as they see fit, free of race, language relation to tribe, traditional nations, gender roles, complete family( i.e mother, father kids ) religion, gender etc.
This is social engineering born from a rootless and godless tribe, present in every western country but not actually belonging to those countries.

You can see this throughout the decades happening in the west, most apparently since the 60's, I can go in details if you want.
That would be derailing the thread without credible analysis as much of this stuff is not available online and if it is, stands discredited due to the deep state's reach. Let's stick to how we can get away from the US as fast as possible in this thread.

We are a rising power and a potential country that will be entering the Thucydides' Trap in the coming 1-2 decades. Hence there is such a push by the deep state to discredit the current NDA government that is so independent in her stand. Remember that it is open secret how the CIA pressured the UPA into putting Montek Singh as the Finance Minister back in 2009-10.

What we need to see is how to decouple India from the United States in the next few years. This means a complete Asia pivot. Whether it is with Korea and Japan and reduced engagement with the US (not that it is much of a difference, but a start), while also looking at seeing how we can build our own Operating System locally.

Computer technology is the biggest weakness that we have. We rely on software outsourcing which is a good service, but we can do all that at home. It might take a couple of decades, but we need to decouple from the US, as Washington will only get worse in the coming years. If we can create an alternative ecosystem and implement a gradual shift through tacit and regulatory means to that in our government system, expand our cyber warfare capabilities and focus on our existing strengths, I feel that we can lay the foundations of an independent ecosystem which can later be developed to share with reliable allies once India becomes a big power.


PM Modi ji is a good man but he trusts too much on the goodness of individuals and people and is too careful now to cultivate his image. The Deep State does not care how noble he is and therefore India needs a hard-nosed man who is willing to become the Lee Kwan Yew for the next 20-30 years, moving away from the West and successfully establishing its own ring of commercial and economic influence with US allies. However, without a semi-authoritarian system with India's interests in defense and foreign policy at core, I don't see how we are going to achieve that. India cannot keep functioning like a loose network fo districts and regions like it did in 1947. We need to be more centralized and focused with actionable objectives and soft and hard deadlines, bearing consequences for all those who fail/deliver.

For example, It would be ideal for India to start strengthening ties with smaller countries that have technological expertise: Sweden, South Korea, Japan, Israel, France, Ukraine. Each of them have reasonably strong defence industries and would be more approachable than say, Russia or the US in future IP sharing and indigenizing defence sector.

This is precisely what Turkey is doing; instead of begging the US or UK or Germany all of whom have been targeting weakening of that country, it is approaching these countries for closer cooperation. Then Turkish companies are forming joint ventures, creating new weapons systems and gradually shifting its industrial base to domestic production. While Turkey is not our ambition, it is certainly the starting point to where we should be.

We need to offer something to the middle-level powers that they cannot refuse. Without making that hard decision to pivot from the usual Big Power circle, we won't be able to achieve our goals. This could mean resorting to perhaps unconstitutional methods to deal with elements that lobby for big power elements within our defense ecosystem.

One country that India can really take help from in weaning herself away from the US is France. France has stood with us and time is evidence of their genuine support throughout the 90s and during our nuclear tests in 1998. It is a major world power, has a strong Defence-industrial complex, has an advanced industrial base and is more than wiling to contribute in exchange for commercial and political gains. The country's products are surely very expensive, but almost always guarantees strategic autonomy and is open to future collaborations with India.

Then comes Sweden with whom we can develop the next generation armored technology. South Korea's specialization is the seas and we have plenty of naval expansion options with them, while Israel has always been our go-to for missile defence cooperation. Ukraine is the new player on the block with regards to strategic cooperation. We can actually do a lot with them. For example, instead of buying the AN-70 heavy transport cargo, why not we offer to buy the entire production rights and IP rights for a larger sum? Transferring this and its implementation in India would have significant costs but becoming the mainstay of our heavy transport fleet, it could be completely offset by future domestic and friendly purchase orders.

We need to start somewhere if we have to get out of this rut of running from one camp to another and behave like a real world power.

Nobility, democracy, moral high ground all this means squat in realpolitik.

There is a Mexican standoff going on in Asia between USA, China and India. Why us separately? Because INDO-Pacific. That's why.

The last thing we need is US Navy walking all over us in our own backyard without any agreements, commitments or restrictions. That would be no different than PLAN ships patrolling around the Bay of Bengal or Indo-Lankan waters.

The recent FONOPS exercise carried out by the US is a clear indicator that it will try to intimidate India into becoming another puppet like Germany, Japan or South Korea.

Several ASEAN countries have a very good opinion about India but resent our lack of interest in taking bold steps to counter major powers out of our historical areas of influence. India can do a lot by creating its own industrial complex.

Decoupling from the US, moving away from China and establishing our own narrative is no longer an option; it is a necessity.
 

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That would be derailing the thread without credible analysis as much of this stuff is not available online and if it is, stands discredited due to the deep state's reach. Let's stick to how we can get away from the US as fast as possible in this thread.

We are a rising power and a potential country that will be entering the Thucydides' Trap in the coming 1-2 decades. Hence there is such a push by the deep state to discredit the current NDA government that is so independent in her stand. Remember that it is open secret how the CIA pressured the UPA into putting Montek Singh as the Finance Minister back in 2009-10.

What we need to see is how to decouple India from the United States in the next few years. This means a complete Asia pivot. Whether it is with Korea and Japan and reduced engagement with the US (not that it is much of a difference, but a start), while also looking at seeing how we can build our own Operating System locally.

Computer technology is the biggest weakness that we have. We rely on software outsourcing which is a good service, but we can do all that at home. It might take a couple of decades, but we need to decouple from the US, as Washington will only get worse in the coming years. If we can create an alternative ecosystem and implement a gradual shift through tacit and regulatory means to that in our government system, expand our cyber warfare capabilities and focus on our existing strengths, I feel that we can lay the foundations of an independent ecosystem which can later be developed to share with reliable allies once India becomes a big power.


PM Modi ji is a good man but he trusts too much on the goodness of individuals and people and is too careful now to cultivate his image. The Deep State does not care how noble he is and therefore India needs a hard-nosed man who is willing to become the Lee Kwan Yew for the next 20-30 years, moving away from the West and successfully establishing its own ring of commercial and economic influence with US allies. However, without a semi-authoritarian system with India's interests in defense and foreign policy at core, I don't see how we are going to achieve that. India cannot keep functioning like a loose network fo districts and regions like it did in 1947. We need to be more centralized and focused with actionable objectives and soft and hard deadlines, bearing consequences for all those who fail/deliver.

For example, It would be ideal for India to start strengthening ties with smaller countries that have technological expertise: Sweden, South Korea, Japan, Israel, France, Ukraine. Each of them have reasonably strong defence industries and would be more approachable than say, Russia or the US in future IP sharing and indigenizing defence sector.

This is precisely what Turkey is doing; instead of begging the US or UK or Germany all of whom have been targeting weakening of that country, it is approaching these countries for closer cooperation. Then Turkish companies are forming joint ventures, creating new weapons systems and gradually shifting its industrial base to domestic production. While Turkey is not our ambition, it is certainly the starting point to where we should be.

We need to offer something to the middle-level powers that they cannot refuse. Without making that hard decision to pivot from the usual Big Power circle, we won't be able to achieve our goals. This could mean resorting to perhaps unconstitutional methods to deal with elements that lobby for big power elements within our defense ecosystem.

One country that India can really take help from in weaning herself away from the US is France. France has stood with us and time is evidence of their genuine support throughout the 90s and during our nuclear tests in 1998. It is a major world power, has a strong Defence-industrial complex, has an advanced industrial base and is more than wiling to contribute in exchange for commercial and political gains. The country's products are surely very expensive, but almost always guarantees strategic autonomy and is open to future collaborations with India.

Then comes Sweden with whom we can develop the next generation armored technology. South Korea's specialization is the seas and we have plenty of naval expansion options with them, while Israel has always been our go-to for missile defence cooperation. Ukraine is the new player on the block with regards to strategic cooperation. We can actually do a lot with them. For example, instead of buying the AN-70 heavy transport cargo, why not we offer to buy the entire production rights and IP rights for a larger sum? Transferring this and its implementation in India would have significant costs but becoming the mainstay of our heavy transport fleet, it could be completely offset by future domestic and friendly purchase orders.

We need to start somewhere if we have to get out of this rut of running from one camp to another and behave like a real world power.

Nobility, democracy, moral high ground all this means squat in realpolitik.

There is a Mexican standoff going on in Asia between USA, China and India. Why us separately? Because INDO-Pacific. That's why.

The last thing we need is US Navy walking all over us in our own backyard without any agreements, commitments or restrictions. That would be no different than PLAN ships patrolling around the Bay of Bengal or Indo-Lankan waters.

The recent FONOPS exercise carried out by the US is a clear indicator that it will try to intimidate India into becoming another puppet like Germany, Japan or South Korea.

Several ASEAN countries have a very good opinion about India but resent our lack of interest in taking bold steps to counter major powers out of our historical areas of influence. India can do a lot by creating its own industrial complex.

Decoupling from the US, moving away from China and establishing our own narrative is no longer an option; it is a necessity.
and decoupling from US cannot happen at a practical level because even the most vocal nationalists(online) in India are US fanboys.
 

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That would be derailing the thread without credible analysis as much of this stuff is not available online and if it is, stands discredited due to the deep state's reach. Let's stick to how we can get away from the US as fast as possible in this thread.

We are a rising power and a potential country that will be entering the Thucydides' Trap in the coming 1-2 decades. Hence there is such a push by the deep state to discredit the current NDA government that is so independent in her stand. Remember that it is open secret how the CIA pressured the UPA into putting Montek Singh as the Finance Minister back in 2009-10.

What we need to see is how to decouple India from the United States in the next few years. This means a complete Asia pivot. Whether it is with Korea and Japan and reduced engagement with the US (not that it is much of a difference, but a start), while also looking at seeing how we can build our own Operating System locally.

Computer technology is the biggest weakness that we have. We rely on software outsourcing which is a good service, but we can do all that at home. It might take a couple of decades, but we need to decouple from the US, as Washington will only get worse in the coming years. If we can create an alternative ecosystem and implement a gradual shift through tacit and regulatory means to that in our government system, expand our cyber warfare capabilities and focus on our existing strengths, I feel that we can lay the foundations of an independent ecosystem which can later be developed to share with reliable allies once India becomes a big power.


PM Modi ji is a good man but he trusts too much on the goodness of individuals and people and is too careful now to cultivate his image. The Deep State does not care how noble he is and therefore India needs a hard-nosed man who is willing to become the Lee Kwan Yew for the next 20-30 years, moving away from the West and successfully establishing its own ring of commercial and economic influence with US allies. However, without a semi-authoritarian system with India's interests in defense and foreign policy at core, I don't see how we are going to achieve that. India cannot keep functioning like a loose network fo districts and regions like it did in 1947. We need to be more centralized and focused with actionable objectives and soft and hard deadlines, bearing consequences for all those who fail/deliver.

For example, It would be ideal for India to start strengthening ties with smaller countries that have technological expertise: Sweden, South Korea, Japan, Israel, France, Ukraine. Each of them have reasonably strong defence industries and would be more approachable than say, Russia or the US in future IP sharing and indigenizing defence sector.

This is precisely what Turkey is doing; instead of begging the US or UK or Germany all of whom have been targeting weakening of that country, it is approaching these countries for closer cooperation. Then Turkish companies are forming joint ventures, creating new weapons systems and gradually shifting its industrial base to domestic production. While Turkey is not our ambition, it is certainly the starting point to where we should be.

We need to offer something to the middle-level powers that they cannot refuse. Without making that hard decision to pivot from the usual Big Power circle, we won't be able to achieve our goals. This could mean resorting to perhaps unconstitutional methods to deal with elements that lobby for big power elements within our defense ecosystem.

One country that India can really take help from in weaning herself away from the US is France. France has stood with us and time is evidence of their genuine support throughout the 90s and during our nuclear tests in 1998. It is a major world power, has a strong Defence-industrial complex, has an advanced industrial base and is more than wiling to contribute in exchange for commercial and political gains. The country's products are surely very expensive, but almost always guarantees strategic autonomy and is open to future collaborations with India.

Then comes Sweden with whom we can develop the next generation armored technology. South Korea's specialization is the seas and we have plenty of naval expansion options with them, while Israel has always been our go-to for missile defence cooperation. Ukraine is the new player on the block with regards to strategic cooperation. We can actually do a lot with them. For example, instead of buying the AN-70 heavy transport cargo, why not we offer to buy the entire production rights and IP rights for a larger sum? Transferring this and its implementation in India would have significant costs but becoming the mainstay of our heavy transport fleet, it could be completely offset by future domestic and friendly purchase orders.

We need to start somewhere if we have to get out of this rut of running from one camp to another and behave like a real world power.

Nobility, democracy, moral high ground all this means squat in realpolitik.

There is a Mexican standoff going on in Asia between USA, China and India. Why us separately? Because INDO-Pacific. That's why.

The last thing we need is US Navy walking all over us in our own backyard without any agreements, commitments or restrictions. That would be no different than PLAN ships patrolling around the Bay of Bengal or Indo-Lankan waters.

The recent FONOPS exercise carried out by the US is a clear indicator that it will try to intimidate India into becoming another puppet like Germany, Japan or South Korea.

Several ASEAN countries have a very good opinion about India but resent our lack of interest in taking bold steps to counter major powers out of our historical areas of influence. India can do a lot by creating its own industrial complex.

Decoupling from the US, moving away from China and establishing our own narrative is no longer an option; it is a necessity.
Agree with all that you have said, however indeginizing computer technology needs a lot of money manufacturing wise, on the design end of things we already have top-tier chip designers thanks to outsourcing.

IIT-Madras also has the Shakti family of processors, based on open source RISCV architecture.
However we don't have manufacturing capabilities, even "low end" ones going by nm.

Even China is struggling with this, they plan to make Processors and DRAM in their own owned and controlled factories, the machines used in these factories are specialist and are made only in Western countries where US has immense influence.
Another tech hurdle is Jet engine technology.

However technology comes later, the country's skeleton is weak with parasites at every level, in Judiciary, Media, Academia, Bureaucracy and even in Business, domestic matters need to be taken care first, turn the country into a united fortress.
 

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and decoupling from US cannot happen at a practical level because even the most vocal nationalists(online) in India are US fanboys.
That's where I said that the political discourse of the government of India needs to be more India-friendly and less Indian-friendly. Meaning, what people say, feel and think should take a backseat and what needs to be done needs to be addressed. Personally, I don't see these sweeping changes happening, unless we go into an undeclared emergency and edit some parts of our democracy to get things done.

Not a big fan of democracy and I have elucidated that in several of my posts.

If the nation's position is precarious, we cannot afford to listen to 1.38 billion Indians jabbering away, especially after how irresponsibly our people behaved and caused the massive second wave of coronavirus despite initial success.
 

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Agree with all that you have said, however indeginizing computer technology needs a lot of money manufacturing wise, on the design end of things we already have top-tier chip designers thanks to outsourcing.
Then that means we need a government that can cancel a few dozen subsidy programs and redirect funding for this. I don't see that happening unless we go into an emergency. Democracy and crazy selfish Indian mentality would mean that under normal circumstances, the common Indian will pull down such a government by votes, while continuing to overbreed as since "children are god's gift".

IIT-Madras also has the Shakti family of processors, based on open source RISCV architecture.

However we don't have manufacturing capabilities, even "low end" ones going by nm.

Even China is struggling with this, they plan to make Processors and DRAM in their own owned and controlled factories, the machines used in these factories are specialist and are made only in Western countries where US has immense influence.
How would it be if we could collaborate with Taiwan? Sure this means getting the US attention (not so much as hostile but more out of curiosity) and earn China's ire, but who cares? We are anyway at a stifling competition and uphill task against the CCP.


However technology comes later, the country's skeleton is weak with parasites at every level, in Judiciary, Media, Academia, Bureaucracy and even in Business, domestic matters need to be taken care first, turn the country into a united fortress.
That is precisely why we need someone like the great Lee Kwan Yew, who is willing to squeeze the typical civic institutions to get done what is required. I honestly have no love for liberal democracy. Pressure from the West will be high but we are already big enough for them to not be able to completely block us out.

Remember, we are going to be competing against them in the future; the US won't care whether we are a democracy or not once we hit the 5-10 trillion category. They will see us as a threat and work towards dismantling us. As they already are through their mix of NGOs, rights groups, funded media and public advocacy groups, people in the civil society, missionaries, etc.
 

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Then that means we need a government that can cancel a few dozen subsidy programs and redirect funding for this. I don't see that happening unless we go into an emergency. Democracy and crazy selfish Indian mentality would mean that under normal circumstances, the common Indian will pull down such a government by votes, while continuing to overbreed as since "children are god's gift".

IIT-Madras also has the Shakti family of processors, based on open source RISCV architecture.

However we don't have manufacturing capabilities, even "low end" ones going by nm.



How would it be if we could collaborate with Taiwan? Sure this means getting the US attention (not so much as hostile but more out of curiosity) and earn China's ire, but who cares? We are anyway at a stifling competition and uphill task against the CCP.




That is precisely why we need someone like the great Lee Kwan Yew, who is willing to squeeze the typical civic institutions to get done what is required. I honestly have no love for liberal democracy. Pressure from the West will be high but we are already big enough for them to not be able to completely block us out.

Remember, we are going to be competing against them in the future; the US won't care whether we are a democracy or not once we hit the 5-10 trillion category. They will see us as a threat and work towards dismantling us. As they already are through their mix of NGOs, rights groups, funded media and public advocacy groups, people in the civil society, missionaries, etc.
Yes, collaboration with Taiwan or even Samsung/Korea would be the course of action if Govt took it seriously.
Current Govt paradigm is putting some monetary baits for private companies to start any kind of semiconductor manufacturing here like those PLI schemes, however this isn't enough, a comprehensive scheme is needed, i.e you need a SPV PSU of some kind, the Taiwanese/Koreans/Japanese will only be a tech provider/partner to help get us up and running with the fab.

And yes, me and you are on the same page regarding the uselessness and harmfulness of democrazy to the nation, even i would prefer an Emergency to do 2-3 years of "house cleaning" of the snakes and parasites infesting this country, at every level, in every institution, because a house divided against itself can never stand to external enemies.
The 5th column elements are far more dangerous than the foreign invader will ever be.
Especially when backed by CIA/NSA front NGOs like you have mentioned.
 

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That's where I said that the political discourse of the government of India needs to be more India-friendly and less Indian-friendly. Meaning, what people say, feel and think should take a backseat and what needs to be done needs to be addressed. Personally, I don't see these sweeping changes happening, unless we go into an undeclared emergency and edit some parts of our democracy to get things done.

Not a big fan of democracy and I have elucidated that in several of my posts.

If the nation's position is precarious, we cannot afford to listen to 1.38 billion Indians jabbering away, especially after how irresponsibly our people behaved and caused the massive second wave of coronavirus despite initial success.
This phenomenon is by design.
if someone manages to have transcript of all English news channels in India even for a month, and Classify each sentence spoken by news presenters and debate moderators, I’ll bet more than 80 - 90%% of sentences spoken can be categorised as active promotion of distrust of state, judiciary, police & governance systems among the citizens. While at the same time encouraging people to act on their emotions while instigating citizens to disregard facts.

And also presenting/promoting non governmental organisations( foreign and domestic) and select individuals as answer to all ills.
 

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G2 Cooperation in action.
In another two years you can expect Huawei-ZTE to be also allowed back into 5G contracts, can’t reverse all that trump has done all at once can they?
 

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