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Same reason, Bernie was so upset about Delhi riots.
Funny part about the Bernie Delhi tweets is that they had way more retweets and likes than any of his usual political tweets :D power of Paki bots, congi bots aaptards all combined... :lol: This is not different from what happened with Jeremy Corbyn during UK elections and his nonsensical Paki loving tweets/ islamist tweets, sometimes feel all these ultra liberals/commies would be very popular if they contested for elections in Pakistan.

I think Trump being given a big welcome has gotten western "Liberals" all butt hurt, seen plenty of stupid sh!t being written with regards to stadium (why build stadium fix poverty/starvation type usual anti India garbage). Yesterday all of a sudden Roger waters reads some udru poetry, have no idea what the poem or who the author was but it was marketed as "message against Modi" :lol:

The sudden rise in concern for India among these types and the chorus one sided reports....(should say lies really) about Delhi.. Is Soros "Anti Fascist fund" money being put to use?


One thing that surprised me about the Trump visit- I thought he would do some lip service for his evangelist supporters, and mention some token stuff about "religious freedom" especially with elections around. But he completely side stepped that question.

This is contrast from Obama (I think all U.S presidents are guilty of this?) who went on a virtue signalling lecture , back when his own country was burning with riots like ferguson, blacklives matter etc. While on the other side Kerry was trying to get GoI to unban openly loud and proud evangelist ngos, that were involved in shady stuff, and even attempted to whitewash them as non evangelical orgs as doing "great work".
 

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I second this, many Indians just get thrown by the wayside when dealing with westerners just because of their accents, even when they are more skilled and knowledgeable, I've seen it myself. Also, Indians should look after their appearance , it matters a lot.
Word. A genius without communication skills may remain under-appreciated. Happens all the time.
Same reason, Bernie was so upset about Delhi riots.
Was he? Because most Americans don’t care about what idiot Bernie and his commie brigade think. Also, I reckon there’s difference between riots and getting offended by a laughing reporter.
 

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Funny part about the Bernie Delhi tweets is that they had way more retweets and likes than any of his usual political tweets :D power of Paki bots, congi bots aaptards all combined... :lol: This is not different from what happened with Jeremy Corbyn during UK elections and his nonsensical Paki loving tweets/ islamist tweets, sometimes feel all these ultra liberals/commies would be very popular if they contested for elections in Pakistan.

I think Trump being given a big welcome has gotten western "Liberals" all butt hurt, seen plenty of stupid sh!t being written with regards to stadium (why build stadium fix poverty/starvation type usual anti India garbage). Yesterday all of a sudden Roger waters reads some udru poetry, have no idea what the poem or who the author was but it was marketed as "message against Modi" :lol:

The sudden rise in concern for India among these types and the chorus one sided reports....(should say lies really) about Delhi.. Is Soros "Anti Fascist fund" money being put to use?


One thing that surprised me about the Trump visit- I thought he would do some lip service for his evangelist supporters, and mention some token stuff about "religious freedom" especially with elections around. But he completely side stepped that question.

This is contrast from Obama (I think all U.S presidents are guilty of this?) who went on a virtue signalling lecture , back when his own country was burning with riots like ferguson, blacklives matter etc. While on the other side Kerry was trying to get GoI to unban openly loud and proud evangelist ngos, that were involved in shady stuff, and even attempted to whitewash them as non evangelical orgs as doing "great work".
Soros is the worst fascist demonic commie scumbag on Earth. He has engineered dozens of riots, paid protests and demonstrations around the world to bring down right wing nationalist governments and install his socialist puppets in power in pursuit of his globalist one world order agenda.

He is the brains and the mastermind behind the rise of both Greta for climate fear porn and democrat socialist buffoon Ocasia Cortez (AOC) whom he intends to hoist for US presidency by 2024 or 2028.
 

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https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4330953
This is an old article but relevant, buy USA WEAPONS THEN GULAMI comes step by step.
First, bastards will say we will decide which weapon to use for YOU
in their own ENTICING way,
Second, bastards will say then don't use weapons at all in their own ENTICING way,
Third, bastards will say YOU ARE NOW DEVOID OF SPARE PARTS because Washington said soooo,in their own ENTICING way,
Fourth, now you are in sanctions, LOOTNA THA LOOT LIYE HUMLOG AB JAO APNI AMMI KO MARWAO, in their own ENTICING way,
that's how these jokers economy policy works.
They don't deserve even a single weapon deal if these above points which I am giving are taken into account and they do.
If you are not dependent on them, they will make you dependent.
And then do this
https://theprint.in/opinion/hotstar...ensorship-india-cutting-out-middleman/372250/
Nobody ask them but still they do are right.
Also then go into CRY MODE, like we care
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/26/tech/india-internet-regulation-tech-industry/index.html
Brown sahibs like above reporters and pramila whore women and Bobby jindal (NAAME SUNKE HASSI AA RAHI HAI) are used to show that Americans are diverse, my ass they are.... Killed their own indigenous race like turkey hunt and now are preaching.
I will ask our IMPORT ARMY, NAVY AND AIR FORCE when INDIA will be banned by USA for not towing their line, just wait for that
JIHADI SANDERS to get elected.
Rasimullllah ki jai ho.
 
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US usually only offers weapons when the buyer has already developed indigenous capability in that area as per Abdul Kalam in 'Wings of Fire' in order to kill the indigenous industry.

They even got a Congress minister to cancel the hovercraft project that Kalam had developed way back in early 1960s. Really sad..
 

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Word. A genius without communication skills may remain under-appreciated. Happens all the time.

Was he? Because most Americans don’t care about what idiot Bernie and his commie brigade think. Also, I reckon there’s difference between riots and getting offended by a laughing reporter.
Check the poll numbers prior to Clinton nomination, Bernie and Clinton were neck and neck until his party back stabbed him.

What Bernie says matters, and Muslim vote IS important to him to win. so he will continue to comment on communal lines, on India related matters.

If he can form opinions & comment on matters that are not under his jurisdiction, I can also comment matters that are not under my jurisdiction.
 

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Majority of indians are pussy.. I mean don't they have anything to say to usa .. there are tons of bad things that's usa have done over the years.
An independent body mandated by the US congress to monitor the state of religious freedom around the world may have unwittingly given away its historical bias against India by inviting expert testimony from an adviser to the Pakistani prime minister at a public hearing on India’s controversial citizenship laws. “The new citizenship law is aimed at Muslims and those from the poorest sections of India’s caste system, (and) undermines the non- confessional basis of the Indian constitution,” said the expert, Azeem Ibrahim, of the Center for Global Policy that focuses exclusively on US foreign policy implications for Muslim-majority countries. And the law, “will create identifiable groups who are denied the basic right of citizenship”, the expert argued. Here is how Ibrahim’s homepage (www.azeemibrahim.com) describes him: “Over the years, Dr Ibrahim has advised numerous world leaders on strategy and policy development with his most recent role being the Strategic Policy Advisor to the Chairman of Pakistan’s PTI party, Prime Minister Imran Khan.” Prime Minister Khan’s alarmist views on the Citizenship Amendment Act and everything Indian, including cricket, are well known by now. But, just to recap, he had raised the specter of a nuclear war in December conference on refugees in Geneva. “We are worried there not only could be a refugee crisis, we are worried it could lead to a conflict between two nuclear-armed countries,” Imran had said. The United States Commission on International Religious Freedom or USCIRF, which has struggled to find the kind of global recognition and respect commanded by other genuinely bipartisan US bodies, had a chance of setting it right. Indian-descent Anurima Bhargava, one of the USCIRF commissioners, set the tone for the hearing with a searing critique of the CAA, saying that together with the planned National Population Register (NPR) and the potential National Register of Citizens (NRC), it was feared to “result in the wide-scale disenfranchisement of Indian Muslims”. Ashutosh Varshney, a widely respected Indian-descent academic, was even more critical in his testimony. “The threat is serious and the implications quite horrendous,” he said referring to the joint impact of the three government programmes. “Something deeply injurious to the Muslim minority can happen, once their citizenship rights are taken away,” Varshney added. “The Indian Constitution in its Preamble emphasizes the ideals of justice, liberty, equality, fraternity and secularism,” said Aman Wadud, a human rights lawyer from Assam. “The steps proposed by the Indian government are a direct attack on these constitutional ideals, and defeat the demand that every Indian citizen has the right to a life of dignity. The Indian Constitution, which is an unparalleled document in the history of modern nations, guarantees the right to live with dignity. The NRC exercise if implemented will deny this very right to live a dignified life.” The USCIRF insinuated itself into the CAA controversy very early urging the Trump administration to sanction Union home minister Amit Shah if the amendment law passed parliament. It did, and the administration has still to act on that recommendation if the USCIRF did indeed make it. The USCIRF had wanted to send a team to India in 2016 to “discuss and assess religious freedom conditions in that nation”, but India had blocked it by denying visas. Though the body had then said it would continue to pursue the visit, it could not be immediately ascertained if it tried again.
 

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Top US diplomat Alice Wells accuses Beijing of employing border clashes with Delhi to try to shift the status quo

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The United States on Wednesday accused China of employing border clashes with India to try to shift the status quo, and encouraged New Delhi to resist.

Alice Wells, the top US diplomat for South Asia, drew parallels between the growing skirmishes in the Himalayas and Beijing’s years of increasing assertiveness in the dispute-rife South China Sea.

“For anyone who was under any illusions that Chinese aggression was only rhetorical, I think they need to speak to India,” Wells told the Atlantic Council think tank.

“If you look to the South China Sea, there’s a method here to Chinese operations, and it is that constant aggression, the constant attempt to shift the norms, to shift what is the status quo. “It has to be resisted,” said Wells, speaking as she retires from the State Department.

Wells reiterated that the US backs India’s claims and encouraged New Delhi and Beijing to resolve their issues diplomatically.

Washington has for two decades been building close ties with India and has an increasingly acrimonious relationship with China on multiple fronts.


Wells also had harsh words to say about China with respect to Nepal and Pakistan, both sold out to China's national interests. She also castigated China for employing predatory and unfair practices around the world.

This aggressive Chinese behaviour has led to a rallying of nations such as the trilateral with Japan and India or the QUAD which includes Australia. It's no secret that China aims to become the world's most powerful country overtaking the US in the not do distant future.

But perhaps COVID the Chinese virus has changed all that.
 

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India's U.S. Ambassador Taranjit Sandhu says, both (India, U.S.) trade teams have been in touch/ top leadership has also been talking about it/ in the coming few weeks we should be able to strike "the smaller trade deal". Said at @USISPForum West Coast Summit happening now.

 

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Future of India-US defence ties

One critical aspect of the India-US bilateral relationship has been defence ties. The hiccups in this particular sector illustrate the different priorities and worldviews the two countries have of defence and consequently why the bilateral relationship will never progress beyond the current point. India, for the longest time, viewed its “eclectic” defence purchases as a smart move. The standard explanation was we were “multi-sourcing” so as to wear off the effects of any sanctions, interruptions in spare parts supply and any medium gestation design flaws. This of course was relevant when India was a heavily sanctioned country. Technologically too, this made perfect sense. After all in a Russian plane, with a reasonable level of metallurgy, you could latch on an American pod mounted gun and run a wire through to the cockpit. This was after all the time when all phones—be they American, German, French, Russian, Chinese or North Korean—were the same and could be used interchangeably. When the first push button landlines came in it became a bit more complex between “pulse and tone” phones and even there, phones started being made where you could switch between pulse and tone. Today, India is not sanctioned and jerry rigging heavy parts of metal does not constitute the cutting edge of technology. America has moved on, but India is still stuck in a time warp, be it on technology, the nature of technology and its linkage to industrial systems or the very nature of the defence trade. How do we know this? Very simple, from the crude terminology we use, one can figure out how arcane our understanding of the evolution of technology and business is. The very fact we use terms like “technology transfer”, “original equipment manufacturer (OEM)” and “offset” not only makes us the laughing stock of the international defence trade, it also shows we are simply incapable of absorbing transferred technology, manufacturing it or getting any serious “offsets”. The problem starts with our industrial structure itself. In India HAL etc., want to manufacture everything to do with a plane. In the West, the hyper specialisation of technology means that almost every single part is manufactured by a different MSME company. The size of these companies (unlike India) is not dictated by government fiat, but rather by the rate of replacement of what they produce. This is why technology changes so rapidly that every year’s iPhone iteration represents a substantial leap over the previous years. Note, Apple does not manufacture these, they source it from thousands of different manufacturers (including arch-rivals Samsung) and they merely do the technology and software design and interfacing. Similarly, in the 1970s, Boeing used to manufacture over 80% of its own aircraft. Today, Boeing is lucky if it manufactures even 20% of its commercial aviation flagship, the 787 Dreamliner. In such a context, “technology transfer (TOT)” and “OEM” make no sense. As shown above the “OEM” owns only 20-25% of the final product. At best they are a brander and integrator, but our persistence with this terminology means we can’t execute the kind of sub-deals required for an in depth transfer of technology. The word ToT is even more dangerous. Because our MSMEs simply aren’t as developed, we don’t have the industrial depth or breadth to be able to absorb the vast scope of technologies that get transferred. India’s arcane tech education system means that most of these sciences aren’t even taught in India. Further, each of these US MSMEs have their own patent and IPR policies, which means they will not be willing to share and legal protections in the US are so strong, that the government cannot force them to share either. In case some of the technologies are shared, they make no sense for private companies to absorb, because all these technologies remain commercially viable only if they can be leveraged into civilian uses. The lack of negotiating “work share agreements” (as opposed to the “offsets” we negotiate) burdens the private sector with technologies it cannot use and sell without appropriate workshare agreements and re-selling and competition rights. In short, most of the technology is private and not up for sale; what is up for sale, we cannot absorb intellectually or industrially and we certainly cannot do either in a commercially viable way. Now contrast this with the way the US thinks about defence-technology. In many ways this is like functioning in an Apple ecosystem—your Mac desktop synchronises perfectly with your Mac laptop, iPad and iPhone. Using an Android in this environment you can still get the job done, but not with the enormous efficiency that a full Mac ecosystem provides you. This is what modern defence is about—not the kinetics of a weapons system, but rather its networking and data sharing technology based on an enormous pile of highly accurate intelligence gathering. In that sense, when the US sees an F-35 they see it merely as the tip of an iceberg—a complex network of systems working together to make the F-35 invincible. This iceberg includes real time data gathered by drones, AWACS aircraft, electronic and image intelligence gathering assets including satellites. This data is then fused together to make it comprehensible and transmitted to the plane and it is this data that enables the F-35 to see the enemy further out, understand his actions, his tactics and his escape routes and shoot him down before the enemy even knows what has happened. When the UK or Singapore sees the F-35, they understand this and they know that by joining the programme, the amount of commercial contracts they get related to the F-35 will more than adequately compensate their investment in the platform through global sales. But when an Indian sees the F-35, all he looks at is a shiny stand-alone gadget, not merely as one piece in a jigsaw. He sees it as wasteful purchase like a kitty party aunty buying a BMW, rather than as an investment as a shopkeeper would in a scooter, the home delivery revenues more than compensating his initial investment. This then is the conundrum that India-US ties are stuck in. What the US is offering India doesn’t understand. The problem is one of comprehension, it is a problem of the incompatibility of first world and third world. The answer doesn’t lie in tinkering with documents like treaties and defence procurement procedures, rather it lies in educating India’s military thinkers outside their silo into the sectors of education, industrial policy and such. Till then the bilateral defence relationship will remain where it has been—stuck in a plateau. Abhijit Iyer-Mitra is a senior fellow at the Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies.
 

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