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If Russia can take back Donba region which is historically Russian land lost to Ukraine because Lenin in 1919, then it could bolster India's confidence to take back parts of Kashmir lost to Pakistan and China. It is in India's interest if Russia wins.

World order is changing. US and EU are trying hard to preserve whiteman dominance but sooner or later things will change.

Russia is giving a tough fight in Ukraine and China will backstab west when time comes. Entire middle East is upset with west because of Israel.

For India only problem is our late and slow economics progress that is keeping us dependent on west. By now we should've become $8 to $10 trillion economy if it wasn't for wasted 10 years of UPA.

We should try to lay low as much as possible, keep our relationship with west pure transactional until we reach a certain economic milestone.
 

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World order is changing. US and EU are trying hard to preserve whiteman dominance but sooner or later things will change.

Russia is giving a tough fight in Ukraine and China will backstab west when time comes. Entire middle East is upset with west because of Israel.

For India only problem is our late and slow economics progress that is keeping us dependent on west. By now we should've become $8 to $10 trillion economy if it wasn't for wasted 10 years of UPA.

We should try to lay low as much as possible, keep our relationship with west pure transactional until we reach a certain economic milestone.
China and India are bidding their time. By 2050 the US is minority white, like 40% or maybe less. By then the US will be chaotic and internal problem plentiful, weak like Brazil, Mexico. China and India dominate by 2050. In 2050 China invade Taiwan and give Aksai Chin back to India in exchange for India staying neutral.
 

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China and India are bidding their time. By 2050 the US is minority white, like 40% or maybe less. By then the US will be chaotic and internal problem plentiful, weak like Brazil, Mexico. China and India dominate by 2050. In 2050 China invade Taiwan and give Aksai Chin back to India in exchange for India staying neutral.
This is why balkanization of India and China into smaller manageable countries is a must for west to continue their domination. Balkanization of China traditionally is hard because of CCP's well protected information bubble. Only an internal mole from inside CCP can get this dirty job done. i.e. Gorbachev style.

for India they are using old tested model of sepratism based on fault lines. Afterall this model worked to divide India during British era. This is where western love affair for Khalistanis come in picture.

This is why it is very important that we manage our internal affairs with an iron fist similar to how China does. This will include taking out anti India elements from inside the country, keeping entire system in line with national interest and full control of social media platforms.
 

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This is why balkanization of India and China into smaller manageable countries is a must for west to continue their domination. Balkanization of China traditionally is hard because of CCP's well protected information bubble. Only an internal mole from inside CCP can get this dirty job done. i.e. Gorbachev style.

for India they are using old tested model of sepratism based on fault lines. Afterall this model worked to divide India during British era. This is where western love affair for Khalistanis come in picture.

This is why it is very important that we manage our internal affairs with an iron fist similar to how China does. This will include taking out anti India elements from inside the country, keeping entire system in line with national interest and full control of social media platforms.
The West have an old saying. Divide and conquer. But this time it won't work. Asians have great wisdom and thousands of years of civilization. By comparison, the West only have a few hundred years of civilization. And even today they are not totally civilized. The weather in northern Europe is too dark, too gloomy. It is hard on mental health.
 

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Pannu Murder Plot and the U.S.

The grim reality of the Khalistani Pannu murder plot unfolds through the unsettling alliance of Pannu a hardened terrorist, in collusion with the US political system, actively endeavoring to undermine India. Conversely, a figure embroiled in the murkier realms of criminality, Nikhil Gupta a drug dealer, gun runner, and a sinister underworld operator, stands accused in the United States for involvement in the plot against Gurpatwant Singh Pannu.

Adding another layer to this complex narrative is the presence of a weaponized and overly zealous district attorney in New York, eagerly on the hunt for a high-profile case to propel into the spotlight and garner significant publicity.

What is the plot? It remains uncertain, yet it carries a discernible anti-India undertone. The United States, seemingly eager to find a pretext to admonish India for not aligning with them in the Ukraine war, expressed displeasure over India's persistent purchase of affordable Russian oil. These factors ostensibly fueled U.S. discontent and served as motivations to reprimand India. Consequently, in the quest to confront India, American authorities identified an underworld figure residing in the Czech Republic, entangled in conflicts with Indian security agencies, as a convenient scapegoat for a fabricated murder plot.

This strategy served dual purposes: firstly, exploiting the vulnerability of an underworld figure susceptible to coercion and manipulation under the threat of prosecution and extradition to the U.S. Secondly, establishing a connection between this individual and an Indian official to implicate and prosecute India.

Crucially, Pannu remains unharmed and alive. Therefore, the question arises: what is the essence of the case?

Upon scrutiny, it appears that the flawed 5 Eyes intelligence system misinterpreted intercepted conversations as indicative of a murder plot. While many rational Indians may harbor disdain for hardened terrorists like Pannu, the conversations overheard by the 5 Eyes intelligence seemingly reflected this sentiment. The U.S. Attorney General, however, interpreted these exchanges as evidence of a murder plot, leading to the appointment of an overly zealous Attorney in New York tasked with constructing an indictment against both the alleged criminal and India.

Meanwhile, in response to these developments, India has initiated a comprehensive domestic inquiry into the purported plot. The key focus is to ascertain whether any credible evidence emerges from the alleged conversations between the underworld figure and government officials in India. The concern is that, in the absence of such evidence, the case may be perceived as manufactured— a deliberate effort to tarnish India's reputation on the global stage.

Nijjar Murder plot in Canada has similar overtones.

The key conclusion from all this affair is that if you mess up affairs with India; you may never be able to recover them. Those days of 1971 are gone when Nixon/Kissinger sent a nuclear naval armada to Bay of Bengal to intimidate India. Think hard ……
 

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Drifting of US & India apart.

India and U.S. have begun to drift apart. It is very clear from the words which are emanating from US State Department & the White House and visits by U.S. diplomats to india whose sole purpose is to frame India in the episode.

Mere Pannu issue, who is alive and well and unrestricted in US to sell snake oil to dismember India, is the main cause of this drift.

It would appear that Pannu had all along been the US government supported terrorist, and they wish to retain him as their foreign policy counter weight against India for the future.

The enquiry of the Indian government involvement should be called off. It is very clear that it is a U.S. government conspiracy. Even the purported drug dealer and arms dealer who has become a source of false information to U.S. should be dumped. India should deal no more with US on this issue.

That estrangement will last as long as Democrats are in power….. Let it be.

If India bends today; there is no end of pressure tactic in the future.
 

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@Hari Sud
there are no formal alliances or treaty's with USA . Best to ignore until a better administration
comes until then let the democrats piss in their pants over china.
You probably are right. I guess the issue is moving with high speed for a fight.

The FBI Director is coming to India for a quick visit. It is unheard off visit on such a trivial matter. He is most likely ask for the arrest and handing over to US, the Indian government employee identified as CC-1 in the US indictment.

Failing that a political and diplomatic impasse will result. It may spill over into economic matters.

Nowhere in this impasse, a word is said that US will investigate airlines blow up threat or attack the Indian Parliament threat by Pannu is to be investigated by the US.
 

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Both sides will not take a zero sum game approach. The overall dynamics of the relationship will be affected by a incident but will not be dictated only by that incident. The stakes are higher for Bharat as these individuals and orgs impinge on Bharats sovereignty. As the higher power seeking Bharats cooperation in the so called indo Pacific strategy, it's for the Gora sahib to demonstrate that it will not tolerate anti bharat elements beyond a certain threshold, as these are his own creations of a different era, the times hav changed and shahib is definitely intelligent enough to wake from his slumber and smell the coffee.
 

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US ambassador to India is pretty vocal and goes around all over India.

Just wondering why Indian media is not asking this guy tough question in public?
Indian media should keep approaching the guy and ask why US is propping up terrorists against India...straight up to his face, repeatedly
 

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You probably are right. I guess the issue is moving with high speed for a fight.

The FBI Director is coming to India for a quick visit. It is unheard off visit on such a trivial matter. He is most likely ask for the arrest and handing over to US, the Indian government employee identified as CC-1 in the US indictment.

Failing that a political and diplomatic impasse will result. It may spill over into economic matters.

Nowhere in this impasse, a word is said that US will investigate airlines blow up threat or attack the Indian Parliament threat by Pannu is to be investigated by the US.
There is a passive enmity(Visa slowdown, technology sharing, less support on multinational forums) on India for importing Russians energy/weapons and not openly supporting west against Russia after Russia Ukraine war,
Only due to pragmatic behaviour of Modi and signing few weapon import deals this relationship looks alright from outside.
USA has not changed its aggressive behaviour against India, propping up sikh terrorists, resumption of lukewarm diplomatic/military collaborations with porks against India, putting pressure on Hasina Govt is few things which they are pursuing.
Modi knows currently India can not show its fangs to US so we will keep our head down and wait for geostrategic themes to change, Israel situation is one of points but there might be more where India US aligns.
India needs to keep calm and attract more and more western FDI to prop up manufacturing.
US and west requires access to ever growing consumer market(US pushing access to insurance area one of their long running pongi schemes where they extract 100% and give almost nothing back)

For now India needs to increase her industrial production to be some what respectable against China to show US its fangs lets wait for a decade or so and be hopeful Modi will rule atleast till 2034 by exactly after 10 years India if follows the same growth can just kidnap pannu or other terrorist cockroaches and put them in jail and US will keep quite …
 

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There is a passive enmity(Visa slowdown, technology sharing, less support on multinational forums) on India for importing Russians energy/weapons and not openly supporting west against Russia after Russia Ukraine war,
Only due to pragmatic behaviour of Modi and signing few weapon import deals this relationship looks alright from outside.
USA has not changed its aggressive behaviour against India, propping up sikh terrorists, resumption of lukewarm diplomatic/military collaborations with porks against India, putting pressure on Hasina Govt is few things which they are pursuing.
Modi knows currently India can not show its fangs to US so we will keep our head down and wait for geostrategic themes to change, Israel situation is one of points but there might be more where India US aligns.
India needs to keep calm and attract more and more western FDI to prop up manufacturing.
US and west requires access to ever growing consumer market(US pushing access to insurance area one of their long running pongi schemes where they extract 100% and give almost nothing back)

For now India needs to increase her industrial production to be some what respectable against China to show US its fangs lets wait for a decade or so and be hopeful Modi will rule atleast till 2034 by exactly after 10 years India if follows the same growth can just kidnap pannu or other terrorist cockroaches and put them in jail and US will keep quite …
India should not show its fangs at all. It should instead focus on self improvement. Both the US and China have demographic timebomb. US can only grow through immigration. Their working age population peaked in the year 2000. Since then their working age is decreasing rapidly and only slowed by immigration
 

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Instead of coming under the influence of their paxthani biradars and wasting their resources for the imaginary unknown gunmen, ameerkhans should focus on the very real known gunmans that pose a greater damage to their society.
 

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India should not show its fangs at all. It should instead focus on self improvement. Both the US and China have demographic timebomb. US can only grow through immigration. Their working age population peaked in the year 2000. Since then their working age is decreasing rapidly and only slowed by immigration
India has worst issues, Hindus are now barely touching replacement rates.

US can fill its replacement with most bright and intelligent migrants this is US appeal..

China can tomorrow bring a law that every Han couple to have 4 children…

India requires to be assertive when it can
 

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India has worst issues, Hindus are now barely touching replacement rates.

US can fill its replacement with most bright and intelligent migrants this is US appeal..

China can tomorrow bring a law that every Han couple to have 4 children…

India requires to be assertive when it can
Nah.

You are glorifying life in US. At the end of the month, the average American saves 100-200 dollars. The average American has 3.5k in saving.

The average American has 20k debt. They can't afford to buy homes and inflation has outpaced salary growth for 30 years. People are poorer today than in 1980. Boomers have amassed massive wealth and now that wealth will be xfered to millennials.

The rest of the population is screwed and is competing with highly motivated immigrants.

This continuous pressure will create blowback. For China, no one wants to immigrate there, so the problem is worse.

You might see problems in India, but I see opportunity.

India has strong demographic, low cost of living, a well balanced account deficit and a government focused on food inflation.

The next 25 years are crucial for India and we should be assertive but not follow ik China's footsteps with wolf warrior diplomacy.

India will benefit from both healthy economy domestically and outbound immigration which creates vote banks in other countries.

India has the opportunity already, china and US are trying to make India trip so they don't get left behind
 

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