India US Relations

[Tshering22]

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Massa's viceroy has come in a pink auto riksha.

A lot of things could be deducted from this .

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In the words of the Westoid-Ender Dr Jaishankar ji:

 

[karn]

In the words of the Westoid-Ender Dr Jaishankar ji:

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I love how no one even dares to use the meme MOcA anymore on this forum ((yes including me).. Mera desh badal raha hai.

 

[Blademaster]

Why does the auto have California plates?

Because it’s a symbol of him coming to India from California where he came from.

 

[treesspeakvietnamese]

U.S. Intel Helped India Rout China in 2022 Border Clash: Sources

India was able to repel a Chinese military incursion in contested border territory in the high Himalayas late last year due to unprecedented intelligence-sharing with the U.S. military, U.S. News has learned, an act that caught China’s People’s Liberation Army forces off-guard, enraged Beijing and appears to have forced the Chinese Communist Party to reconsider its approach to land grabs along its borders.

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Several current and former analysts and officials, some speaking on the condition of anonymity, confirmed details of the encounter as well as the American role, to include unprecedented support the U.S. military provided to India on the ground – the fruits of a new era of cooperation between the two powers in recognition of their shared ambitions to push back on Chinese expansionism.

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The source familiar with the assessment of this intelligence – deemed to be highly reliable – says the U.S. government in the weeks before the encounter was fully cognizant that China was carrying out test exercises in the region to see if it could seize a new foothold in the remote mountain passes there or in other territory to which both China and India lay claim.

Several hundred PLA troops operating on the Chinese side planned to see if they could move forward and stay along the part of the border that is not officially demarcated as they have done in the past, most notably in 2020 in the Galwan Valley, several thousand miles to the west, the last time the two militaries clashed. That brawl caused a dozen or more deaths on both sides.

But unlike the previous encounters, the Indian forces identified the Chinese positions using the intelligence provided by the U.S. and maneuvered to intercept them.

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“This will definitely rattle the Chinese because they will have not experienced this before, and they perhaps had a sense of superiority that they were able to do this with different skirmishes in the past,” the source says. “This time they did not hold the advantage like they did before.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2023-03-20/u-s-intel-helped-india-rout-china-in-2022-border-clash-sources

 

[Sanglamorre]

Why does the auto have California plates?

Westerners have a fad now to buy 'tuktuk's

 

[sameer3694]

U.S. Intel Helped India Rout China in 2022 Border Clash: Sources

India was able to repel a Chinese military incursion in contested border territory in the high Himalayas late last year due to unprecedented intelligence-sharing with the U.S. military, U.S. News has learned, an act that caught China’s People’s Liberation Army forces off-guard, enraged Beijing and appears to have forced the Chinese Communist Party to reconsider its approach to land grabs along its borders.

...

Several current and former analysts and officials, some speaking on the condition of anonymity, confirmed details of the encounter as well as the American role, to include unprecedented support the U.S. military provided to India on the ground – the fruits of a new era of cooperation between the two powers in recognition of their shared ambitions to push back on Chinese expansionism.

...

The source familiar with the assessment of this intelligence – deemed to be highly reliable – says the U.S. government in the weeks before the encounter was fully cognizant that China was carrying out test exercises in the region to see if it could seize a new foothold in the remote mountain passes there or in other territory to which both China and India lay claim.

Several hundred PLA troops operating on the Chinese side planned to see if they could move forward and stay along the part of the border that is not officially demarcated as they have done in the past, most notably in 2020 in the Galwan Valley, several thousand miles to the west, the last time the two militaries clashed. That brawl caused a dozen or more deaths on both sides.

But unlike the previous encounters, the Indian forces identified the Chinese positions using the intelligence provided by the U.S. and maneuvered to intercept them.

...

“This will definitely rattle the Chinese because they will have not experienced this before, and they perhaps had a sense of superiority that they were able to do this with different skirmishes in the past,” the source says. “This time they did not hold the advantage like they did before.”

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2023-03-20/u-s-intel-helped-india-rout-china-in-2022-border-clash-sources

I'm just wondering why is it that we cant generate this intelligence ourselves. Is it just a lack of advanced satellites? What exactly we are lacking in?

 

[skunk works]

I'm just wondering why is it that we cant generate this intelligence ourselves. Is it just a lack of advanced satellites? What exactly we are lacking in?

Everything. HUMINT too. Western countries can just offer the opportunity for you or your kids to settle there, in return for betrayal of your own country.

If you ever wonder exactly how much of Indian and Pakistan governments are penetrated by CIA/MI6/CDIS/BND in return for this promise, the correct answer is "don't ask questions you don't want to know answers too", because the answer will shatter your faith in your country and countrymen.

Tech wise, Remember as recently as 2004, a high level traitor was able to flummox RAW just by using SFTP.

Your question was about China, while that 'greencard method' worked until recently, I don't think it's working anymore. Overseas chinese show an affinity for the motherland even after spending their lives in the west. Point to note various Canadian and Australian Chinese origin politicians caught blatantly favoring China over their adoptive countries.

So I think the Galwan intel must have come from TECHINT/ SIGINT route. Could be satellite pictures, compromised electronic devices in China, programs like ECHELON, compromised diplomatic coding machines etc..

They have 'stealth' satellites like MISTY, technology far beyond anything we have. The Chinese know where all our spy satellites are, so they hide their things when it passes over.

But if there is a satellite out there that they don't know is there and it can defeat their radar, how do you hide your troops from that?
The Russians use a huge optical telescope array in Tajikistan (Turkmenistan? In one of the Stans) to optically track satellites that can beat radar. But I have heard rumors that MISTY uses clever light refraction to appear dark as well.

 

[Cheran]

Everything. HUMINT too. Western countries can just offer the opportunity for you or your kids to settle there, in return for betrayal of your own country.

If you ever wonder exactly how much of Indian and Pakistan governments are penetrated by CIA/MI6/CDIS/BND in return for this promise, the correct answer is "don't ask questions you don't want to know answers too", because the answer will shatter your faith in your country and countrymen.

Tech wise, Remember as recently as 2004, a high level traitor was able to flummox RAW just by using SFTP.

Your question was about China, while that 'greencard method' worked until recently, I don't think it's working anymore. Overseas chinese show an affinity for the motherland even after spending their lives in the west. Point to note various Canadian and Australian Chinese origin politicians caught blatantly favoring China over their adoptive countries.

So I think the Galwan intel must have come from TECHINT/ SIGINT route. Could be satellite pictures, compromised electronic devices in China, programs like ECHELON, compromised diplomatic coding machines etc..

They have 'stealth' satellites like MISTY, technology far beyond anything we have. The Chinese know where all our spy satellites are, so they hide their things when it passes over.

But if there is a satellite out there that they don't know is there and it can defeat their radar, how do you hide your troops from that?
The Russians use a huge optical telescope array in Tajikistan (Turkmenistan? In one of the Stans) to optically track satellites that can beat radar. But I have heard rumors that MISTY uses clever light refraction to appear dark as well.

Tech wise, Remember as recently as 2004, a high level traitor was able to flummox RAW just by using SFTP.

Rabinder Singh?

 

[skunk works]

Tech wise, Remember as recently as 2004, a high level traitor was able to flummox RAW just by using SFTP.

Rabinder Singh?

Yes

 

[sameer3694]

If you ever wonder exactly how much of Indian and Pakistan governments are penetrated by CIA/MI6/CDIS/BND in return for this promise, the correct answer is "don't ask questions you don't want to know answers too", because the answer will shatter your faith in your country and countrymen.

I agree there is lot that we don't really know. If you take a look at the recent pentagon leak. They were spying on South korea too with SIGINT. If they are spying on their closest allies, I'm pretty sure they have 100's of mules within our government and security apparatus.

 

[Jimih]

Yes

He was later found dead in the streets of USA.

 

[skunk works]

He was later found dead in the streets of USA.

It is said he had significantly overhyped himself to the americans who thought he was running major operations. In reality, he was a highly paid pen pusher. All the material he sent to Washington were gleaned from other more important people are plying them with drinks and gifts and food.

Remember this critical detail: he was already working for the americans in 1998 and the US still never got wind of Pokhran-2. This should tell how 'important' he was.

Once Washington realized they had caused a diplomatic incident for such a low level asset, they dropped him like a hot potato.

The proof of this is the fact that he sued the US government using his assumed identity for denying him citizenship. The case was dismissed and he never got full US citizenship. Records of this case are publicly available.

It wasn't an operation for which anyone must have won any medals. The defection itself was also poorly run. Unbelievably, the CIA agent used his diplomatic ID in hotels all the way from Delhi to Gorakhpur to Pokhara to Kathmandu. The tickets from Kathmandu to US were also all booked under his real name!! Thus it was easy for the MEA to connect the dots and directly charge the state department with this defection.

 

[Tshering22]

It is said he had significantly overhyped himself to the americans who thought he was running major operations. In reality, he was a highly paid pen pusher. All the material he sent to Washington were gleaned from other more important people are plying them with drinks and gifts and food.

Remember this critical detail: he was already working for the americans in 1998 and the US still never got wind of Pokhran-2. This should tell how 'important' he was.

Once Washington realized they had caused a diplomatic incident for such a low level asset, they dropped him like a hot potato.

The proof of this is the fact that he sued the US government using his assumed identity for denying him citizenship. The case was dismissed and he never got full US citizenship. Records of this case are publicly available.

It wasn't an operation for which anyone must have won any medals. The defection itself was also poorly run. Unbelievably, the CIA agent used his diplomatic ID in hotels all the way from Delhi to Gorakhpur to Pokhara to Kathmandu. The tickets from Kathmandu to US were also all booked under his real name!! Thus it was easy for the MEA to connect the dots and directly charge the state department with this defection.

Spying on allies is common.

Do you think that the French don't spy on Americans? Germans definitely don't as they are puppets, the same goes for Japanese, and Koreans. The British MI6 routinely spies on American soil, given how easy it is for them to blend in with each other.

What I am concerned about is, does RAW have enough power & clearances to spy on Americans the way they do in ours.

Remember, RAW is so secretive that it may even be running companies to fund its operations much like other intelligence agencies and operating on things that we don't even know about. These traitors & double agents come into the limelight but generally speaking, Rabinder and the likes could also be brandished as "traitors" while going undercover in America.

This is a two-way street & there are no laws in the world of intelligence.

 

[skunk works]

Spying on allies is common.

Do you think that the French don't spy on Americans? Germans definitely don't as they are puppets, the same goes for Japanese, and Koreans. The British MI6 routinely spies on American soil, given how easy it is for them to blend in with each other.

What I am concerned about is, does RAW have enough power & clearances to spy on Americans the way they do in ours.

Remember, RAW is so secretive that it may even be running companies to fund its operations much like other intelligence agencies and operating on things that we don't even know about. These traitors & double agents come into the limelight but generally speaking, Rabinder and the likes could also be brandished as "traitors" while going undercover in America.

This is a two-way street & there are no laws in the world of intelligence.

India I think certainly does some low level work in developed countries- case in point the Sikh couple arrested in Germany for spying on of the German immigration office on behalf of the Raw.
But chances of netting a high level asset are very low. Meanwhile it is easy for western agencies to net a high level asset in India.

 

[Blademaster]

He was later found dead in the streets of USA.

Good because a message needs to be sent to all Indian traitors that we will find you and kill you. You will only get a brief respite and you will be looking over your shoulders for the rest of your life and never get a good night's sleep.

 

[Cheran]

This is how California will try to find out "caste"

 

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This is how California will try to find out "caste"

The step govt should have taken long back is to remove this meme gora term of caste and switch to the og word Jaati via an academic and media push
(((Caste))) conflates Jaati and Varn on purpose to serve certain narratives.

Anyway this is good, most skilled people will probably find the grass greener in India if they are tormented with legal bullshittery over "caste" in thier goora paradises.

 

[Varoon2]

Do incidents like these at least make Indians in India *think* a little, before rushing off so eagerly to the US? That is all that need be asked for, some thought and assessment. What must this poor guy's family in India be thinking now? What a waste and a tragedy. Nice guy doing honest work to pay his way in the US.

24-year-old masters student from India shot dead in United States' Ohio; police release pics of suspect

An Indian man pursuing higher education in the United States has died of gunshot wounds while working at a fuel station. The 24-year-old, as per a PTI report, was pursuing a Master's Degree in the US. He has been identified as Saiesh Veera, a native of the South-Indian state of Andhra Pradesh...

www.wionews.com

 

[ezsasa]

Do incidents like these at least make Indians in India *think* a little, before rushing off so eagerly to the US? That is all that need be asked for, some thought and assessment. What must this poor guy's family in India be thinking now? What a waste and a tragedy. Nice guy doing honest work to pay his way in the US.

24-year-old masters student from India shot dead in United States' Ohio; police release pics of suspect

An Indian man pursuing higher education in the United States has died of gunshot wounds while working at a fuel station. The 24-year-old, as per a PTI report, was pursuing a Master's Degree in the US. He has been identified as Saiesh Veera, a native of the South-Indian state of Andhra Pradesh...

www.wionews.com

nope, my sister sold their house within a year because of gang shootings, they have no intention to come back.

black gang emptied magazines and magazines gangsta style at their neighbour's house, just because he shouted at them from his house.

 

[Varoon2]

nope, my sister sold their house within a year because of gang shootings, they have no intention to come back.

black gang emptied magazines and magazines gangsta style at their neighbour, just because he shouted at them from his house.

Good for them. They did the wise thing. Of course, not all Indians/ethnic Indians experience such incidents, but it's noticeable enough. Just think a little before salivating about the H-1B visa or green card. That's all that can be asked for. Many Indians seem incapable or unwilling do even that, in their goggle eyed desire to migrate to the US.