India US Relations

[Jimih]

Eventually kept loosing men and land in absence of unity.
And yes sub-nationalism hinders unity and was used and is being used for sowing seed of hatred and disunity among ourself.
As they say country before state .state before jati ,jati before family ,family before yourself.

Exactly.

 

[Jimih]

History did nt start in 1947 . Some states maintained there existance for hundreds of years fighting against invaders . As long as tricolor is not disrespected or lowered in its status , some guy said something about a flag should not raise alarm like its going on . The reaction , exaggeration does more damage .

Don't live in the past.

Only due to Regionalism, Bharatiyas/Indians were not able to mount offensive against islamic invaders nor British empire unitedly.

Sab apne apne dhoon mein mast thhe and said mainu ki.

Regionalism will again bring downfall to India. Don't fall for this activity trap.

 

[Shasanka]

Eventually kept loosing men and land in absence of unity.
And yes sub-nationalism hinders unity and was used and is being used for sowing seed of hatred and disunity among ourself.
As they say country before state .state before jati ,jati before family ,family before yourself.

Sub culture and diversity is the reason india is stable . Because you cant point out in the map of India saying here is the core area of indian identity . The so called north india is diverse and so is south india or east west . Even with in one state there is diversity . And being loyal to your language or sub culture is not against india as it is assumed . India is a civilizational state and our identity remain in that diversity and having respect for each other's language and way of life .

 

[fooLIam]

Sub culture and diversity is the reason india is stable . Because you cant point out in the map of India saying here is the core area of indian identity . The so called north india is diverse and so is south india or east west . Even with in one state there is diversity . And being loyal to your language or sub culture is not against india as it is assumed . India is a civilizational state and our identity remain in that diversity and having respect for each other's language and way of life .

Kai ka civilizational state when invaders keep attacking and eventually succedding and rest of civilizational keep watching.
how many land and men we have lost just because Indian were not united.still Today we keep debating regionalism ,subnationlism while invader keep going strong. Dude leave past if we have any hope of our civilisation than it is through strong unity and industrialisation.

 

[Shasanka]

Kai ka civilizational state when invaders keep attacking and eventually succedding and rest of civilizational keep watching.
how many land and men we have lost just because Indian were not united.still Today we keep debating regionalism ,subnationlism while invader keep going strong. Dude leave past if we have any hope of our civilisation than it is through strong unity and industrialisation.

When did i promoted separate nations ? We are talking about sub culture and different languages here , and having the attachment to your sub culture or language . We are all product of past . What is india if civilizational history created over thousands of years is erased .

My complain was about this ongoing insecurity about indian identity with little substance . Such insecurity ll only add more power to certain fringe element .

 

[fooLIam]

When did i promoted separate nations ? We are talking about sub culture and different languages here , and having the attachment to your sub culture or language . We are all product of past . What is india if civilizational history created over thousands of years is erased .

My complain was about this ongoing insecurity about indian identity with little substance . Such insecurity ll only add more power to certain fringe element .

Previous year America started sub national diplomacy and it is red flag for me.
you Know Russian and Ukrainians are same people and in just 8 year of brain washing they are killing each other.like wise indian Subcontinent was Same and just because of peacful brainwashing our land was partitioned and has become literally existential threat to rest of us.
You do know about British popular strategy “divide and rule.
I don’t have any problem with “sub-national” (if you name it like that when essentially we are same people )but when foreigner starts digging it than its red flag.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Regionalism is not there in maharatra ? Ask bihari about that . Or regionalism is not there in Delhi . Should i count incidents relating to NE people in delhi . Regionalism nt there is Panjab ? Dude thousands of people died there in recent history . Or regionalism nt there in Kashmir ?

Yes. And every one of them is undesirable. They are given the flak for any such instance of subnationalism.

There's something rotten if a state and its people wave around their own flag.

If anything, the southern states get away with roo much subnarionalism. Punjab, Bengal, etc are rightly chastised and critiqued when they pull such crap.

Meanwhile there's a whole ass month long rajyotsav with flags

 

[Love Charger]

Look regionalism is bad . There is no doubt about it . But saying you should nt have attachment to your language , culture means what ? Every corner of country got their own local festival . Should we ban them . Is chat or pongal anti national ?

The argument was never about that, the thing is a foreign government reaching out to state and directly bypassing the central government.
Enough freedom is given to all states and it should be .
Don't gaslight us comrade , greater autonomy to states , exactly this was demanded in punjab in 80s , there is a difference between folks celebrating festival, and a foreign government reaching out to state governments or attempt to directly court them .
India is a unitary federation, and it will and must remain so .
Finally I by no means want to imply that consulte in hydrabad is unknown to delhi.

 

[Shasanka]

The argument was never about that, the thing is a foreign government reaching out to state and directly bypassing the central government.
Enough freedom is given to all states and it should be .
Don't gaslight us comrade , greater autonomy to states , exactly this was demanded in punjab in 80s , there is a difference between folks celebrating festival, and a foreign government reaching out to state governments or attempt to directly court them .
India is a unitary federation, and it will and must remain so .
Finally I by no means want to imply that consulte in hydrabad is unknown to delhi.

What kind of engagement is it ? Do these foreign govt wants support of state govt in Ukraine war or any other geopolitical matter ? Is nt UP CM like CM of other countries meeting with foreign embassy people for attracting investment .States play a major role in policy making . And does any such engagement happen without knowledge of ministry of external affair or override power of ministry ? Its nothing new . CM of various states have travelled to foreign countries in past with cooperation with central ministry .

 

[srevster]

America’s subregional diplomacy with India’s individual states has been a topic of much debate in recent years. While some see it as a positive step towards strengthening ties between the two countries, others view it as a negative move that could harm India’s sovereignty and unity.

The United States has been increasingly engaging with individual states in India, rather than just the central government in New Delhi. This has included trade and investment deals, as well as cultural and educational exchanges. The goal of this subregional diplomacy is to build deeper ties with the various states in India, and to expand economic opportunities for both countries.

However, many in India view this subregional diplomacy as a negative move. They see it as an attempt by the United States to divide and weaken India, by pitting individual states against each other. They also see it as a way for the United States to gain greater influence over India, by building relationships with individual states that may not align with the central government’s policies.

This perception of subregional diplomacy as a negative move is not limited to just India. Other countries in the region have also expressed concerns about the United States’ subregional approach, fearing that it could lead to greater divisions and instability in the region.

One of the main concerns is that subregional diplomacy could lead to a weakening of the central government in India. If individual states are able to build stronger ties with the United States, they may become less reliant on the central government and more likely to pursue their own interests. This could lead to greater fragmentation and political instability in India, which would not be in the best interests of either the United States or India.

Another concern is that subregional diplomacy could lead to greater economic disparities between different states in India. If some states are able to access more economic opportunities through their ties with the United States, they may become more prosperous and developed, while other states may be left behind. This could lead to greater social and economic inequality within India, which would not be good for the country as a whole.

In conclusion, while America’s subregional diplomacy with India’s individual states may have the potential to strengthen ties between the two countries, it is important to consider the potential negative consequences. India’s unity and sovereignty must be protected, and any approach that could lead to greater divisions or instability must be avoided. The United States and India must work together to find a balance that promotes cooperation and mutual benefit, while also respecting India’s sovereignty and unity

 

[Love Charger]

Do you know the first thing every sub national movement comes up with? A flag.

Nevermind Jagan for a bit, I was talking about Kannadas. They came up with their flag, soon they'll come up with demand for a state going by talking with them.

Also, not like sub nationalism would be a first for Tamil nationalists.

Coming back to RRR, in a movie about Indian freedom struggle, do you yourself understand the meaning of going Telugu flag flying high etc crap?

@Shasanka look at tamil nadu, the main of DMK founder periyar was a separate country , overtly that party proclimed that aim til 1967 , as far as I know .
Covertly they still wish for it .
Dravid nadu , they call it

What kind of engagement is it ? Do these foreign govt wants support of state govt in Ukraine war or any other geopolitical matter ? Is nt UP CM like CM of other countries meeting with foreign embassy people for attracting investment .States play a major role in policy making . And does any such engagement happen without knowledge of ministry of external affair or override power of ministry ? Its nothing new . CM of various states have travelled to foreign countries in past with cooperation with central ministry .

Okay fine ,I get it .
Don't tell me about policy making as I know about it .
The point

 

[srevster]

India is a rapidly growing and influential country, with a diverse and complex political landscape. As such, it is important for India to take steps to protect its sovereignty and unity in the face of subregional diplomacy.

One of the key ways that India can create countermeasures for subregional diplomacy is by strengthening its own internal ties. By building stronger relationships between its individual states and the central government, India can ensure that all parts of the country are working towards a common goal and that any external influences are not able to divide the country.

This can be achieved through a number of different mechanisms. For example, India can increase the flow of information and communication between its states and the central government. This can be done through the creation of new channels of communication, such as regular meetings between state officials and the central government, or through the use of technology, such as social media and messaging platforms.

India can also work to promote economic development and prosperity across all of its states. By investing in infrastructure and other economic development projects, India can ensure that all parts of the country are able to access the opportunities and resources they need to thrive. This can help to reduce disparities between different states and ensure that all parts of the country are working towards a common goal.

Another important step that India can take to protect its sovereignty is to strengthen its military and defense capabilities. By investing in advanced weapons systems and training its armed forces, India can ensure that it is able to defend itself against any external threats. This can also act as a deterrent against any foreign nations that may be attempting to exert influence over India through subregional diplomacy.

Finally, India can also take a more active role in international diplomacy and multilateral organizations. By building stronger relationships with other nations and working with them to address common challenges and issues, India can ensure that it has a voice on the global stage and that other nations are less able to exert influence over it through subregional diplomacy.

In conclusion, India faces a number of challenges in protecting its sovereignty and unity in the face of subregional diplomacy. However, by taking a number of different steps, such as strengthening internal ties, promoting economic development, strengthening its military capabilities, and taking a more active role in international diplomacy, India can create countermeasures and protect its sovereignty

 

[srevster]

Some example countermeasures include:

1. India's "Act East Policy" which focuses on building stronger economic and strategic ties with the countries in the Asia-Pacific region, to counterbalance the influence of China in the region.
2. India's "Make in India" campaign which aims to promote domestic manufacturing and attract foreign investment, to reduce dependence on other countries and create jobs within India.
3. India's "Digital India" campaign which aims to increase the use of technology in government services and promote digital literacy, to create a more efficient and connected country.
4. India's "Skill India" campaign which aims to provide vocational training to millions of young people, to reduce unemployment and promote economic growth.
5. India's "Sagarmala" project which aims to modernize India's ports and coastal infrastructure, to promote trade and reduce dependence on other countries.
6. India's "Smart Cities" initiative which aims to develop 100 smart cities across the country, to improve the quality of life for citizens and promote economic growth.
7. India's "Ujala" scheme which aims to provide LED bulbs to every household in the country, to save energy and reduce dependence on fossil fuels.
8. India's "Swachh Bharat" campaign which aims to create a cleaner and healthier country, by promoting cleanliness and sanitation.
9. India's "Start-up India" campaign which aims to promote entrepreneurship and innovation, to create jobs and boost economic growth.
10. India's "National Clean Energy Fund" which aims to promote the development and use of clean energy, to reduce dependence on fossil fuels and protect the environment

 

[Love Charger]

Do you know a lot of states in india have their own state song since independence ? All of them have their state emblem , as well as state animal ? How many created their separate country ?

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Also, not like sub nationalism would be a first for Tamil nationalists.

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Okay mate from which state you come ? Give a hint if don't want to say directly, I will recognise

 

[Jimih]

Do you know a lot of states in india have their own state song since independence ? All of them have their state emblem , as well as state animal ? How many created their separate country ?

Again wasting bandwidth of this forum with unnecessary Wordplay.

What is the topic and what you are talking?

 

[Jimih]

Okay mate from which state you come ? Give a hint if don't want to say directly, I will recognise

Certainly not from South.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Certainly not from South.

Bit weird he pretends not to know LTTE and their history.

 

[Love Charger]

Bit weird he pretends not to know LTTE and their history.

He is a fellow bangali like you or a Assamese .
Spelling of his username

 

[srevster]

The film industry is a dynamic and ever-changing landscape, and the location of where films are produced can have a significant impact on the industry as a whole. The United States film industry has undergone a major shift in the early 20th century, moving from New York to Los Angeles, and the Indian film industry is also undergoing a similar shift, moving from Mumbai to Hyderabad in recent years. In this article, we will explore the similarities and differences between these two shifts, and what they mean for the future of the film industry.

The United States film industry has a long history in New York City, dating back to the early days of cinema. However, in the early 20th century, the industry began to shift westward, with the majority of film production moving to Los Angeles. This was due to a number of factors, including the availability of better weather and more affordable land, as well as the growing number of studios and production companies in the area.

Similarly, the Indian film industry has a long history in Mumbai, which is also known as Bollywood. However, in recent years, the industry has begun to shift southward, with many major productions moving to Hyderabad. This is due to a number of factors, including the availability of better infrastructure and more affordable land, as well as the growing number of studios and production companies in the area.

One major similarity between these two shifts is that they both reflect the changing nature of the film industry. The film industry is a highly competitive and rapidly changing landscape, and the location of where films are produced is often determined by a number of factors, including the availability of resources, the cost of production, and the talent pool. As the industry changes, so too does the location of where films are produced.

Another similarity is that both shifts have been driven by changes in technology. In the case of the United States film industry, the shift from New York to Los Angeles was driven in part by the advent of sound in films, which required better weather and more space for sound stages. In the case of the Indian film industry, the shift from Mumbai to Hyderabad has been driven in part by the advancement of digital technology, which has made it easier and more affordable to produce films outside of the traditional centers of Bollywood.

However, there are also some key differences between these two shifts. One major difference is that the shift in the United States film industry was driven largely by economic factors, while the shift in the Indian film industry has been driven more by cultural and political factors. For example, in the United States, the shift from New York to Los Angeles was driven by the need to find more affordable land and better weather for film production. In India, the shift from Mumbai to Hyderabad has been driven more by the desire to promote the cultural heritage of the region and to promote the development of the local film industry.

In conclusion, the shifts of the film industry from New York to Los Angeles and from Mumbai to Hyderabad are similar in many ways. Both shifts reflect the changing nature of the film industry and are driven by changes in technology. However, there are also key differences between the two shifts, with the shift in the United States film industry being driven largely by economic factors and the shift in the Indian film industry being driven more by cultural and political factors. It will be interesting to see how these shifts continue to shape the film industry in the future, and how they will impact the production and distribution of films around the world

 

[srevster]

North Indian popular culture has often been criticized for its stereotypical characterization of South Indians. This includes the portrayal of South Indians as dark-skinned, with thick accents, and often portrayed as docile or inferior. This type of portrayal has perpetuated harmful stereotypes and has led to a lack of representation and visibility for South Indians in popular culture.

However, in recent years, the South Indian film industry has been making a strong effort to reclaim its own identity and gravitas in popular culture. This has been achieved through a number of means, including the production of high-quality films that showcase the diverse culture and history of the region, as well as the representation of strong, complex characters that challenge stereotypes.

One example of this is the film RRR, which was released in 2021. The film, directed by S.S. Rajamouli, is set in pre-independent India and tells the story of two freedom fighters, Alluri Sitarama Raju and Komaram Bheem, who fought against the British Raj. The film features a star-studded cast, including actors Ram Charan and Jr. NTR, and has been critically acclaimed for its visually stunning cinematography, powerful performances, and engaging storytelling.

RRR has also been winning awards and nominations in various film festivals and award ceremonies. The film won the award for Best Art Direction at the 67th National Film Awards, and it was also nominated for the Best Film award at the same ceremony. It has also been nominated for various awards at the South Indian International Movie Awards, the Filmfare Awards South, and the Zee Cine Awards Telugu.

This film is a clear indication of how South Indian film industry is breaking stereotypes and making its presence felt in the national and international level. The film is giving an authentic representation of the South Indian culture, history and its characters which are far from the stereotypes that have been perpetuated in the popular culture.

In conclusion, the North Indian popular culture has often been criticized for its stereotypical characterization of South Indians. However, the South Indian film industry has been working hard to reclaim its own identity and gravitas in popular culture. This is evident in the film RRR, which is a shining example of how South Indian films are breaking stereotypes and showcasing the rich culture and history of the region. The awards and nominations that the film has won is a clear indication of how the South Indian film industry is making its presence felt on the national and international level