India US Relations

[HitmanBlood]

full of racism towards all indians in comments and QT, 57K likes and thousands of comments

When you leave your humble roots behind and become entangled in an unpopular anti majoritarian propaganda just to please a small elite minority, such actions will have consequences in form of disapproval from both people in your country as well as people abroad.

When it comes to racism abroad, Hindus have been systematically separated from rest of the population of subcontinent by very same people who are now crying victimized.

As they say Karma comes around. Silicon valley Indians have developed a superiority complex. These two are prime example of this thought process. Their glass house shattered the moment plug was pulled.

Racism in any form is disgusting. Both of them were part of the club which trivialised this disgusting behaviour by crying racist at every opportunity to validate superiority of their argument. This normalisation of word racist has actually done more harm to victims of actual racism. This has given a cover to racists to hide behind ambiguity of its definition.

What we are seeing now is years of sludge leaking out from cracks of a broken system that these two were instrumental figures. As more cracks appear more sludge will flow out. As pendulum slowly swings back towards right side in west, it would be up to Indians living in west to align themselves with changing tides.

 

[Tiwariji]

When you leave your humble roots behind and become entangled in an unpopular anti majoritarian propaganda just to please a small elite minority, such actions will have consequences in form of disapproval from both people in your country as well as people abroad.

When it comes to racism abroad, Hindus have been systematically separated from rest of the population of subcontinent by very same people who are now crying victimized.

As they say Karma comes around. Silicon valley Indians have developed a superiority complex. These two are prime example of this thought process. Their glass house shattered the moment plug was pulled.

Racism in any form is disgusting. Both of them were part of the club which trivialised this disgusting behaviour by crying racist at every opportunity to validate superiority of their argument. This normalisation of word racist has actually done more harm to victims of actual racism. This has given a cover to racists to hide behind ambiguity of its definition.

What we are seeing now is years of sludge leaking out from cracks of a broken system that these two were instrumental figures. As more cracks appear more sludge will flow out. As pendulum slowly swings back towards right side in west, it would be up to Indians living in west to align themselves with changing tides.

New ceo or old ceo , its a American company . There is no need for social media dramas here . We have other domestic issues .

 

[another_armchair]

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New ceo or old ceo , its a American company . There is no need for social media dramas here . We have other domestic issues .

Wait till the same platform defies orders of Indian Govt. to block accounts that peddle absolute BS in India under FOE/FOS.

Lets see what 'changes' for the better in the near to medium term.

Musk anyways has scores to settle with Indian Gov. over Tesla and tax breaks.

 

[Shuturmurg]

Wait till the same platform defies orders of Indian Govt. to block accounts that peddle absolute BS in India under FOE/FOS.

Lets see what 'changes' for the better in the near to medium term.

Musk anyways has scores to settle with Indian Gov. over Tesla and tax breaks.

Govt. already working on it :

Govt. will setup independent tribunal where a person a appeal account bans, and social media companies will have to abide by it.

 

[Sanglamorre]

Melon or Elon Twitter isn't going to have much changes. Nothing in that country happens without the deep state

 

[Shuturmurg]

US national defense strategy :

https://media.defense.gov/2022/Oct/27/2003103845/-1/-1/1/2022-NATIONAL-DEFENSE-STRATEGY-NPR-MDR.PDF

Section on Indo-pacific :

The Indo-Pacific Region. The Department will reinforce and build out a resilient security architecture in the Indo-Pacific region in order to sustain a free and open regional order, and deter attempts to resolve disputes by force. We will modernize our Alliance with Japan and strengthen combined capabilities by aligning strategic planning and priorities in a more integrated manner; deepen our Alliance with Australia through investments in posture, interoperability, and expansion of multilateral cooperation; and foster advantage through advanced technology cooperation with partnerships like AUKUS and the Indo-Pacific Quad.

The Department will advance our Major Defense Partnership with India to enhance its ability to deter PRC aggression and ensure free and open access to the Indian Ocean region. The Department will support Taiwan’s asymmetric selfdefense commensurate with the evolving PRC threat and consistent with our one China policy. We will work with the ROK to continue to improve its defense capability to lead the Alliance combined defense, with U.S. forces augmenting those of the ROK. We will invigorate multilateral approaches to security challenges in the region, to include by promoting the role of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations in addressing regional security issues. The Department will work with Allies and partners to ensure power projection in a contested environment. The Department will also support Ally and partner efforts, in accordance with U.S. policy and international law, to address acute forms of gray zone coercion from the PRC’s campaigns to establish control over the East China Sea, Taiwan Strait, South China Sea, and disputed land borders such as with India. At the same time, the Department will continue to prioritize maintaining open lines of communication with the PLA and managing competition responsibly.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

US national defense strategy :

The Department will advance our Major Defense Partnership with India to enhance its ability to deter PRC aggression and ensure free and open access to the Indian Ocean region.

Once (assuming if) they are done with PRC, this statement could just as easily morph into "The Department will advance our Major Defense Partnerships with countries around India to enhance their ability to deter Indian aggression and ensure free and open access to the Indian Ocean region."
Complete with a convoluted explanation of how India is not really a democracy but an autocracy masquerading as one and how India is a threat to a free and open Indo-pacific. With the amount of grip they have on all electronic media, they will be able to make these U-turns rather easily by erasing entire events and trends in recent history from media archives.
Our grand strategic thought process needs to start thinking of long term solutions to these problems from today itself. Lol, I am beginning to think that China getting powerful is a good thing, in some ways. We just need to grow in their shadow and keep pace with Chinese growth enough to deter direct Chinese military action. Other than that, them getting stronger is in a way good for us.

 

[ezsasa]

Once (assuming if) they are done with PRC, this statement could just as easily morph into "The Department will advance our Major Defense Partnerships with countries around India to enhance their ability to deter Indian aggression and ensure free and open access to the Indian Ocean region."
Complete with a convoluted explanation of how India is not really a democracy but an autocracy masquerading as one and how India is a threat to a free and open Indo-pacific. With the amount of grip they have on all electronic media, they will be able to make these U-turns rather easily by erasing entire events and trends in recent history from media archives.
Our grand strategic thought process needs to start thinking of long term solutions to these problems from today itself. Lol, I am beginning to think that China getting powerful is a good thing, in some ways. We just need to grow in their shadow and keep pace with Chinese growth enough to deter direct Chinese military action. Other than that, them getting stronger is in a way good for us.

irrespective of which ever direction this game goes, ultimately what matters is whether strategic circles/thinkers of India have clarity on what they want in short medium and long term.

if we look at our current geo political equations dispassionately, India is not against any country except for pakistani jihadi behaviour. Indian government historically has nothing against paki citizens even, no matter how much the paki establishment tries to invent animosity against Hindustan among their own awam, proof is that marriages of Indians with paki citizens do continue to happen, medical visas continue to be given. if this is the behaviour of GoI against their supposed arch enemy, this demonstrates very calculated restraint to not go overboard. what ever resistance we get from other countries, are of colonial origin for a large part.

few examples :

Canada - Khalistan - Colonial origin
Pakistan - Jihad - Colonial origin
U.S/Europe - commentary on caste/religion/poverty - Colonial origin
South America - commentary mimics US commentary - Colonial origin

Qatar - commentary on Indian muslims - fairly recent post colonial origins.
SE Asia - commentary on trade - fairly recent post colonial origins.

as of now there is no grand strategic vision in India that we know of, except for carving out breathing space within the existing geo politics, so that Indian society can recover from the impact of colonial rule. it's been 75 years, hopefully by next generation we can get it over it. in the mean time be friends with everybody.

In essence our grand strategic vision for now be, atleast get to the high councils making the rules of the "rules based order".

 

[shade]

Once (assuming if) they are done with PRC, this statement could just as easily morph into "The Department will advance our Major Defense Partnerships with countries around India to enhance their ability to deter Indian aggression and ensure free and open access to the Indian Ocean region."
Complete with a convoluted explanation of how India is not really a democracy but an autocracy masquerading as one and how India is a threat to a free and open Indo-pacific. With the amount of grip they have on all electronic media, they will be able to make these U-turns rather easily by erasing entire events and trends in recent history from media archives.
Our grand strategic thought process needs to start thinking of long term solutions to these problems from today itself. Lol, I am beginning to think that China getting powerful is a good thing, in some ways. We just need to grow in their shadow and keep pace with Chinese growth enough to deter direct Chinese military action. Other than that, them getting stronger is in a way good for us.

We and Roosi, Farsi, Turki will be enslaved even before they move on to Cheeni, I wouldn't be surprised if they gave Ching the green light to do a small invasion or skirmish just in late 2023 or early 2024 before the election just to remove the evil gujju chaiwala fascist in power, using negative media coverage to portray a "loss" at war.

It is incorrect to think that the G2 partners are enemies, they are very well capable of allying to achieve mutually beneficial goals.

They want a bi-polar world with all weak countries forced to take a side, countries who can pull their weight are a variable and hence a risk for this "equation".

 

[Shuturmurg]

irrespective of which ever direction this game goes, ultimately what matters is whether strategic circles/thinkers of India have clarity on what they want in short medium and long term.

if we look at our current geo political equations dispassionately, India is not against any country except for pakistani jihadi behaviour. Indian government historically has nothing against paki citizens even, no matter how much the paki establishment tries to invent animosity against Hindustan among their own awam, proof is that marriages of Indians with paki citizens do continue to happen, medical visas continue to be given. if this is the behaviour of GoI against their supposed arch enemy, this demonstrates very calculated restraint to not go overboard. what ever resistance we get from other countries, are of colonial origin for a large part.

few examples :

Canada - Khalistan - Colonial origin
Pakistan - Jihad - Colonial origin
U.S/Europe - commentary on caste/religion/poverty - Colonial origin
South America - commentary mimics US commentary - Colonial origin

Qatar - commentary on Indian muslims - fairly recent post colonial origins.
SE Asia - commentary on trade - fairly recent post colonial origins.

as of now there is no grand strategic vision in India that we know of, except for carving out breathing space within the existing geo politics, so that Indian society can recover from the impact of colonial rule. it's been 75 years, hopefully by next generation we can get it over it. in the mean time be friends with everybody.

In essence our grand strategic vision for now be, atleast get to the high councils making the rules of the "rules based order".

Pakistan - Jihad - Colonial origin ==> Wut ?
South America - commentary mimics US commentary - Colonial origin ==> Which South American country is pressing us for anything ?

 

[ezsasa]

Pakistan - Jihad - Colonial origin ==> Wut ?
South America - commentary mimics US commentary - Colonial origin ==> Which South American country is pressing us for anything ?

Pakistan - by promoting and submitting to demands of sir syed initially and muslim league later in an attempt to balance congress's influence during freedom struggle.

on south america, up until recently, internal discourse on India with in south america was coming from U.S. the whole poverty porn commentary from U.S on India was gets replicated in south america. and we don't have enough diaspora to provide a counter point of view in S.A.

 

[fooLIam]

We and Roosi, Farsi, Turki will be enslaved even before they move on to Cheeni, I wouldn't be surprised if they gave Ching the green light to do a small invasion or skirmish just in late 2023 or early 2024 before the election just to remove the evil gujju chaiwala fascist in power, using negative media coverage to portray a "loss" at war.


It is incorrect to think that the G2 partners are enemies, they are very well capable of allying to achieve mutually beneficial goals.

They want a bi-polar world with all weak countries forced to take a side, countries who can pull their weight are a variable and hence a risk for this "equation".

for moment there might be G2. But there will be fight between two alpha for dominance if not sooner than later. Also loss of Asia pacific will be detrimental to either of these two super powers.
CCP have their sight on hyper power.

 

[Shuturmurg]

Pakistan - by promoting and submitting to demands of sir syed initially and muslim league later in an attempt to balance congress's influence during freedom struggle.

on south america, up until recently, internal discourse on India with in south america was coming from U.S. the whole poverty porn commentary from U.S on India was gets replicated in south america. and we don't have enough diaspora to provide a counter point of view in S.A.

Pakistan - by promoting and submitting to demands of sir syed initially and muslim league later in an attempt to balance congress's influence during freedom struggle. ===> Ahh yes, that's where Jihad started. Ghazni, Ghauri, Babar, etc. came here to play garba in Gujarat during Navratra.

on south america, up until recently, internal discourse on India with in south america was coming from U.S. the whole poverty porn commentary from U.S on India was gets replicated in south america. and we don't have enough diaspora to provide a counter point of view in S.A. ===> South Americans hardly care about India news, in general have pretty sympathetic outlook towards India .

 

[ezsasa]

Pakistan - by promoting and submitting to demands of sir syed initially and muslim league later in an attempt to balance congress's influence during freedom struggle. ===> Ahh yes, that's where Jihad started. Ghazni, Ghauri, Babar, etc. came here to play garba in Gujarat during Navratra.

on south america, up until recently, internal discourse on India with in south america was coming from U.S. the whole poverty porn commentary from U.S on India was gets replicated in south america. and we don't have enough diaspora to provide a counter point of view in S.A. ===> South Americans hardly care about India news, in general have pretty sympathetic outlook towards India .

let me clarify, i am limiting the commentary to the aspects that are impacting the current geo politics. say for example a policy is being drafted by MEA on something today, do they start their thinking from 1000 years ago or take 1947 as starting point. in other words, in our current geo politics do we over complicate our argument by stretching back to 1000 years or limit to a manageable part, emphasis on the word "complicate".

the whole islamic invasions is our internal conversation, where we as a country haven't even completed the discovery phase. this will take some time for it to be part of some foreign policy initiative.

on SA, their appreciation for India is fairly recent after Jio phenomenon. their public has more access to information on our economy and military now. but the old colonial tropes on caste poverty still continue in S.A.

 

[Sanglamorre]

for moment there might be G2. But there will be fight between two alpha for dominance if not sooner than later. Also loss of Asia pacific will be detrimental to either of these two super powers.
CCP have their sight on hyper power.

Treaty of Tordesillas

 

[Suryavanshi]

TBH I cannot lie to you guys there is no point trying to hide this, my opinion might be controversial but I will voice It regardless if the mods want to delete it they may as well do.
I have a visceral hate for Indian who have settled abroad. This hate does not persist 24 x 7 but when I do think about those guys more deeply I have no positive opinion of them. Its one thing when an Indian goes abroad studies there hold a job for a few year and come back I don't have any hate against them.

Indians who left India and still voice their opinion on the same feels like a overgrown manchild who cant leave their past behind. Its like the Indians over there have not accustomed to their new lifestyle, still holding out to things back home. They will say I live in America and I support India, how the fucks does that even happen. You do not truly belong anywhere, you are all over the place. If say a war breaks out and both countries are pitted against each other would you still be a Indian well wisher, if the answer is yes than you are a traitor to your nation and if the answer is no than you are a self loathing dishonest individual.
Maybe they have some kind of Lingering guilt that compels them to vouche for Indian interests, but their is a line they will not cross they will never give up their citizenship of foren land.

This is me being 100% honest.
I cant say I'm sorry if any feelings are hurt but as a fellow Hindu I can still talk to you collaborate with you and act nice to you in general, but this lingering feeling will always be there in my heart.

 

[Butter Chicken]

TBH I cannot lie to you guys there is no point trying to hide this, my opinion might be controversial but I will voice It regardless if the mods want to delete it they may as well do.
I have a visceral hate for Indian who have settled abroad. This hate does not persist 24 x 7 but when I do think about those guys more deeply I have no positive opinion of them. Its one thing when an Indian goes abroad studies there hold a job for a few year and come back I don't have any hate against them.

Indians who left India and still voice their opinion on the same feels like a overgrown manchild who cant leave their past behind. Its like the Indians over there have not accustomed to their new lifestyle, still holding out to things back home. They will say I live in America and I support India, how the fucks does that even happen. You do not truly belong anywhere, you are all over the place. If say a war breaks out and both countries are pitted against each other would you still be a Indian well wisher, if the answer is yes than you are a traitor to your nation and if the answer is no than you are a self loathing dishonest individual.
Maybe they have some kind of Lingering guilt that compels them to vouche for Indian interests, but their is a line they will not cross they will never give up their citizenship of foren land.

This is me being 100% honest.
I cant say I'm sorry if any feelings are hurt but as a fellow Hindu I can still talk to you collaborate with you and act nice to you in general, but this lingering feeling will always be there in my heart.

Do you know there are educated and well to do Indians who travel to Europe/US/Canada through shady agents illegally.
They pay like 20-30 lakh each.some of them even die. I don't understand what kind of utopia they expect there. With that money they can easily do anything in India

 

[Varoon2]

There is a US TV police drama series called "Blue Bloods", which is in its 13th season now. Can't help but notice that the show is Hindu friendly. Every time anyone who is Hindu is on the show, it is positive, or at least benign. What caught my eye a few seasons ago, was an episode where the cops bust into an apartment, while an Indian family is having their dinner. On the walls of the apartment are images of Hindu divinities, very noticeably. The police then realise that they have intruded into the wrong apartment, and humbly apologise. In last night's episode ( Fri Oct 28th) , there is a guest character with the name Rishi Patel an Indo-American. He comes to the Blue Bloods team with a report of a stolen valuable watch. They later recover it, and he gives them thanks with hands folded, a namaste of course. There are a few other episodes where the depiction of Hindus is also respectful.

There are American TV series where, if Hindus are depicted, it is for comic relief, ridicule or criminality. That is, if they are shown at all! Most of the time when Indian/Indian origin people are seen on TV series, the names are formed in a way to dilute or eliminate any Hindu/Dharmic association. Like recently on "NCIS" where a subcontinental character is called "Oliver Khatri", without of course any hints of Hindu culture. On CSI NY, there was a dubious female character guest star, called "Catrice Singh". Then there was a guy on Criminal Minds with the last name "Chauduri" and another on Law and Order named "Rehana" where one of the cops says "Sounds Indian to me" ( actually it sounds more like the name of a popular American singer!)

Meanwhile, there are at least 3 TV series where there are noticeably Moslem main actors, not guests, and they are shown very respectfully. And when the subject comes up, they stress the Islam means tolerance and peace line.

It is either horrendous ignorance and carelessness, or the American TV industry has a problem in showing Hindus and Hinduism with acknowledgement and respect.

 

[srevster]

TBH I cannot lie to you guys there is no point trying to hide this, my opinion might be controversial but I will voice It regardless if the mods want to delete it they may as well do.
I have a visceral hate for Indian who have settled abroad. This hate does not persist 24 x 7 but when I do think about those guys more deeply I have no positive opinion of them. Its one thing when an Indian goes abroad studies there hold a job for a few year and come back I don't have any hate against them.

Indians who left India and still voice their opinion on the same feels like a overgrown manchild who cant leave their past behind. Its like the Indians over there have not accustomed to their new lifestyle, still holding out to things back home. They will say I live in America and I support India, how the fucks does that even happen. You do not truly belong anywhere, you are all over the place. If say a war breaks out and both countries are pitted against each other would you still be a Indian well wisher, if the answer is yes than you are a traitor to your nation and if the answer is no than you are a self loathing dishonest individual.
Maybe they have some kind of Lingering guilt that compels them to vouche for Indian interests, but their is a line they will not cross they will never give up their citizenship of foren land.

This is me being 100% honest.
I cant say I'm sorry if any feelings are hurt but as a fellow Hindu I can still talk to you collaborate with you and act nice to you in general, but this lingering feeling will always be there in my heart.

This is a dumb idea. Indians have to travel to grow global influence. Indians have to go outwards to share India’s ideas with the world. The diaspora anywhere is hugely influential in getting a positive view of India in the world.
India was a superpower in the past exactly due to this reason. The Chola kings went to south East Asia. Chandra gupta Maurya went to Afghanistan and Iran. Our traders established relationships with Greece.

hating on people who travel serves no value other than your personal gratification.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

as of now there is no grand strategic vision in India that we know of, except for carving out breathing space within the existing geo politics, so that Indian society can recover from the impact of colonial rule. it's been 75 years, hopefully by next generation we can get it over it. in the mean time be friends with everybody.

In essence our grand strategic vision for now be, atleast get to the high councils making the rules of the "rules based order".

I think its a bit more detailed than just trying to carve some breathing space. It seems our grand strategic thinking is that we can provide a non-imperial alternative to USA, in that we can provide an alternative to the American "rules based global order". India is arguing for multipolarity and non-interference in the internal affairs of other nations. India is also arguing for multi-alignment that ensures a complex network of one-one alliances/partnerships, instead of the American bloc approach of "outsource your foreign and security policy to us and we will use our substantial might to defend you".
India has always abided by the current rules based international order (legally speaking) and the few times it has gone against it (like NPT, CTBT, etc) is when India could make valid legal counter-arguments (such as about the Nuclear haves and have nots, etc). This it does to show that its not an imperial power but rather wants to be a responsible sovereign entity on the international stage.

This kind of a world order might be more beneficial for non-Superpower countries (especially the Great and middle powers) because the world will by design not be polarized into superpower-led blocs and that in and of itself means more freedom, security and autonomy to the Great and Middle powers of the world. Even American vassals like Japan, France and Germany might be inclined to move towards such a global arrangement and that I believe to be the strength of this approach. Less polarized world also means a more global world and countries around the globe are already addicted to global supply chains, there is no going back there, despite Covid and Russo-Ukraine war shocks. Even if countries are diversifying their supply chains and Western world is bringing back some manufacturing, it is to make them more resistant. Globalization is not dead yet.

This is what I believe is the Indian Grand Strategy in this and early next century.

Once we achieve this, we can look inwards and sort out the 1000 year question without worrying about foreign influence. And after that we can form a much longer term Grand Strategy that takes into view things from even the Vedic era. Until the time that this happens, Hindus will continue to rightly feel that this country is not a Hindu Rashtra. So I agree that since this stage is far away, Hindus must form a resistance to hybrid threats without relying on government. And develop some ability to lead the government towards some policies the majority wants. Policies that at least maintain internal balance and prevent sabotage of the nation from within by foreign funded (or not) anti-national elements.

We and Roosi, Farsi, Turki will be enslaved even before they move on to Cheeni, I wouldn't be surprised if they gave Ching the green light to do a small invasion or skirmish just in late 2023 or early 2024 before the election just to remove the evil gujju chaiwala fascist in power, using negative media coverage to portray a "loss" at war.

It is incorrect to think that the G2 partners are enemies, they are very well capable of allying to achieve mutually beneficial goals.

They want a bi-polar world with all weak countries forced to take a side, countries who can pull their weight are a variable and hence a risk for this "equation".

I also think this might be the case. But that is a double edged sword. At some point, countries will realize that these two nations are coordinating their moves. Vassal nations would turn against such masters. Also, USA is loosing its lead in technology and military everyday. At some point, that primal fear is going to kick in maybe. And China is not trustworthy, that is the one thing everyone can agree on. Any G2 arrangement therefore is likely to be a limited time deal IMHO.