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You guys probably dont live in india or belong to elite category . Few private VIP schools in metro city dont represent india . Try selling puberty blocker etc in usual indian schools parents ll treat teacher with chappal .
They are not going sell anything sir, they just spend hundreds of millions of dollars on youtube ads, facebook ads to tell kids why become gay, trans is good, similar to how madrasas brainwash muslim kids. How will you stop millions of kids become influenced by LGBTQ? Does india have plan?
 

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Hence india’s relations with US is more Pakistani centric less Russia centric.
Whats your opinion on QUAD, I2U2 partnerships.

Interesting. Did you write on your own or do you have some source for future reading because i never seen someone mention "CENTO, SEATO" in very long time.
 

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They are not going sell anything sir, they just spend hundreds of millions of dollars on youtube ads, facebook ads to tell kids why become gay, trans is good, similar to how madrasas brainwash muslim kids. How will you stop millions of kids become influenced by LGBTQ? Does india have plan?
Do people become gay lesbian seeing online ads etc ?
 

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India’s relations were never friendly with US since the fifties as John Foster Dulles, the ruler of US relations with others hated Nehru for aligning with Russia. On the other hand Nehru had tried hard to be on the good books of America but America preferred Pakistan who became member of CENTO, SEATO, and received equivalent $10 billion in military aid of 400 Patton Tanks and 56 Sabre Jets.

Now the die was cast, Pakistan will never let india near US in terms of friendly relations. Left with no choice India further strengthened Indo-Soviet relations. That continued until seventies, eighties and nineties. Successive Foreign Secretaries in US were anti India.

Post 9/11, US realized Pakistani involvement and encouragement into anti - West activities. But they did nothing as Pakistan was used as the transshipment point to supply US troops in Afghanistan. Not until a daring Donald Trump, cut off all aid to Pakistan. Then came Biden, who never called the Pakistani leaders. It was pretty clear that with disappearance of financial and military aid Pakistanis will go down and down. …….. and they did in 2021-22, they completely ran out of money. That is when clever Pakistanis gave to the US the location of Al Qaeda, number 2 in Kabul that US agreed for the big US.. IMF loan to keep Pakistan going.

That trade off will keep Pakistanis going for a year or two….. after that same story. Hence india’s relations with US is more Pakistani centric less Russia centric. It is only because US does not like Russia that they keep on harping Indo-Russia relations. But they forget that it is US who drove india into neutrality and pro Soviet/Russia.
You wanna know why India didnt use airforce in 1962?
 

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India’s relations were never friendly with US since the fifties as John Foster Dulles, the ruler of US relations with others hated Nehru for aligning with Russia. On the other hand Nehru had tried hard to be on the good books of America but America preferred Pakistan who became member of CENTO, SEATO, and received equivalent $10 billion in military aid of 400 Patton Tanks and 56 Sabre Jets.

Now the die was cast, Pakistan will never let india near US in terms of friendly relations. Left with no choice India further strengthened Indo-Soviet relations. That continued until seventies, eighties and nineties. Successive Foreign Secretaries in US were anti India.

Post 9/11, US realized Pakistani involvement and encouragement into anti - West activities. But they did nothing as Pakistan was used as the transshipment point to supply US troops in Afghanistan. Not until a daring Donald Trump, cut off all aid to Pakistan. Then came Biden, who never called the Pakistani leaders. It was pretty clear that with disappearance of financial and military aid Pakistanis will go down and down. …….. and they did in 2021-22, they completely ran out of money. That is when clever Pakistanis gave to the US the location of Al Qaeda, number 2 in Kabul that US agreed for the big US.. IMF loan to keep Pakistan going.

That trade off will keep Pakistanis going for a year or two….. after that same story. Hence india’s relations with US is more Pakistani centric less Russia centric. It is only because US does not like Russia that they keep on harping Indo-Russia relations. But they forget that it is US who drove india into neutrality and pro Soviet/Russia.
Any pro-west guy here lurking here should read this clearly.USA will NEVER be our reliable ally,just a person who we can use to grow by selling our wares and used as a medium of influencing other states IF we play our cards right and establish trade and other deals carefully IN OUR FAVOUR.

In many ways the US is a far dangerous enemy than the Chinese,because the chinese are easily hated by the indians due to obvious reasons and any politician can easily build a narrative and mobilize indians to a frenzy with the least amount of preparation and build up.

A huge section of our population due to their upbringing and culture cannot connect the dots on the danger of contemporary western 'culture' and its self-destructive luxury beliefs.so it is hard for any leader to first notice the infiltration of their narratives and agendas and second build an easily understandable and digestible and memable conversation around hating these ideas and agendas.

USA should be used as only an object from which we can learn and buy and mostly sell too.It has civilization AIDS which makes it vulnerable to previously trivial issues that were easily solved through common sense on a society scale.

we are a budding and growing nation,we cant afford luxury beliefs that will bankrupt and weaken us,stay away from the ideas of the west.IT has civilizational AIDS.
 
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Any pro-west guy here lurking here should read this clearly.USA will NEVER be our reliable ally,just a person who we can use to grow by selling our wares and used as a medium of influencing other states IF we play our cards right and establish trade and other deals carefully IN OUR FAVOUR.

In many ways the US is a far dangerous enemy than the Chinese,because the chinese are easily hated by the idnians due to obvious reasons and any politician can easily build a narrative and mobilize indians to a frenzy with the least amount of preparation and build up.

A huge section of our population due to their upbringing and culture cannot connect the dots on the danger of contemporary western 'culture' and its self-destructive luxury beliefs.so it is hard for any leader to first notice the infiltration of their narratives and agendas and second build an easily understandable and digestible and memable conversation around hating these ideas and agendas.

USA should be used as only an object from which we can learn and buy and mostly sell too.It has civilization AIDS which makes it vulnerable to previously trivial issues that were easily solved through common sense on a society scale.

we are a budding and growing nation,we cant afford luxury beliefs that will bankrupt and weaken us,stay away from the ideas of the west.
Choyna and USA both conspire together in many ways. China likes the current system of world order.
 

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Any pro-west guy here lurking here should read this clearly.USA will NEVER be our reliable ally,just a person who we can use to grow by selling our wares and used as a medium of influencing other states IF we play our cards right and establish trade and other deals carefully IN OUR FAVOUR.

In many ways the US is a far dangerous enemy than the Chinese,because the chinese are easily hated by the idnians due to obvious reasons and any politician can easily build a narrative and mobilize indians to a frenzy with the least amount of preparation and build up.

A huge section of our population due to their upbringing and culture cannot connect the dots on the danger of contemporary western 'culture' and its self-destructive luxury beliefs.so it is hard for any leader to first notice the infiltration of their narratives and agendas and second build an easily understandable and digestible and memable conversation around hating these ideas and agendas.

USA should be used as only an object from which we can learn and buy and mostly sell too.It has civilization AIDS which makes it vulnerable to previously trivial issues that were easily solved through common sense on a society scale.

we are a budding and growing nation,we cant afford luxury beliefs that will bankrupt and weaken us,stay away from the ideas of the west.IT has civilizational AIDS.
Indian spirit western technology
 

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Kind of stuck in between... Probably 6-10 will be bought eventually. Will help to understand the capability it brings.

Personally I think we should move to indigenous with Israel now in long-term.
Do we have any success in Rustam development?
Do we have any idegenous armed drones program? Other than Ghatak? I don't think we will get Ghatak before 2030.
 

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Do we have any success in Rustam development?
Do we have any idegenous armed drones program? Other than Ghatak? I don't think we will get Ghatak before 2030.
Rustom 1 - Armed variant is under fabrication.
TAPAS - Under fabrication. Can do autonomous landing and takeoff, sat com. Also Coimbatore based company will be going to work on indigenous engine to replace the imported engine in TAPAS.
NRUAV - New space and HAL concept. Status - May be in testing.
 

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Rustom 1 - Armed variant is under fabrication.
TAPAS - Under fabrication. Can do autonomous landing and takeoff, sat com. Also Coimbatore based company will be going to work on indigenous engine to replace the imported engine in TAPAS.
NRUAV - New space and HAL concept. Status - May be in testing.
Is there any drones thread?? Please share.
Also how good is Rustom 1 and TAPAS when compared to Heron?
 

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Is there any drones thread?? Please share.
Also how good is Rustom 1 and TAPAS when compared to Heron?
Forget rustom this and that... now it's Tapas.. unusual name anyway.


They had some issue which will be sorted out 5-6 frames to be built for initial evaluation.


60% + around in capability in comparison to Heron.

A bigger one will be built later .
 

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