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All Amer*c*ns know is how to dig their grave in geopolitics in Asia. Ironically these folks live in the country that killed millions of Muslims and literally took pride in bombing what they call “[email protected] n****s”, but go ahead, sanction india 🤦🏾‍♂️. No sanctions for China tho!
 

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Lol @ people taking these empty threats seriously... These are time pass tactics from US. As long as their establishment doesn't says something we are fine. Rest India is not viewed as a reliable partner by the west. But they don't think we are a gone case either. Temptation is always there.
 

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Right, these pronouncements don't mean anything until their governments and MNCs do something very decisive. And that's not about to happen, As far as people are concerned, the average Joe and Sue is quite indifferent, and at worst might cringe at something they read or see.
 

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on that RAND corp. fellow derek grossman
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So India's rupee-roubles arrangement was violation of rules based order but now when other European countries are doing it, this has become a rule in rules based order. This is so dumb and hypocritical and he is a professor and analyst in a reputed think tank.

 

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Americans are having concern about violence against the Muslim community in India but isn't USA the same country who led wars on terror which resulted in the death of more than 2+ million Muslims!

We all know what USA and it's allies did in Iraq and Afghanistan and killed more than 1.5 million Muslims in total and it's a known fact that the number is much higher (possibly 2.5 million+)

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And the irony is that they are Lecturing about what is happening in India! :lol:
 

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I have no problem with having good diplomatic relations with the United States of America but US needs to understand that it cannot dictate what India should do.

Our policy supports independent Decisions and whatever India does and will do in the near future is for it's National interest. We need US as much as US needs us at the same time. But we need to be vary too of what US does because US and entire west has proven to be not very Reliable Allies.
 

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If USA is such great ally .. Why India cant bring back and arrest SFJ terrorist like gurpatwant singh pannu ?
 

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Did this report say anything about Pakistan violating minorities’ rights in Pakistan. I came across a news article about a Pakistani Hindu boy who was raped by a Muslim but the police did nothing about it because the boy was just a lowly Hindu and the piece of shit that did it was a Muslim and big time local steaming body of fecal matter.
Fucking hypocrites.
 

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more of the same old questions and answers.

funny thing is in all these years there is not even one proper honest non-rhetorical discussion publicly available, where a noob can get both US and India 's point of view wrt India-US relationship.
In public domain, there are more people trying to create confusion using rhetorics, than people trying to give an honest explanation.
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If India won't readjust ties with Russia, questions will be asked about Indo-US ties : Lisa Curtis

 
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Indo - US Ties Lack Care and Good Consideration


Joe Biden‘s US administration is totally incompetent. They, for minor strategic gains in Ukraine are plunging the whole world into a recession. It is foolish to militarily assume that reaching Russian border will enhance NATO‘s prestige. No, that is a lie. It does not do anything to either US or NATO in Europe. NATO is fine without Ukraine. What has American military involvement in Europe has done, Nothing but anger both at US and Russia.

1. It has created scarcity of Oil and Gas in Europe. A very reliable source of both of these commodities is being compromised. The Russian supplies have not stopped but a huge noise of stopping oil flow from Russia is being made. They dare not do that because alternative from US and Arab countries is not feasible.

This has resulted in a huge price increases at the pump all over the world with oil priced at $100 a barrel, this is inevitable.

This will force a recession in the whole world economy with US and Europe as the prime target of recession or depression. Other countries will suffer e.g. Chinese economy dependent upon good economics in US and Europe will suffer a lot. India is already showing signs of slow down in a highly upswing economy. Blame all this on Biden.

2. Strategic balance in the whole world is disturbed. Although Chinese are in the grip of Covid attack but their plan to attack Taiwan and capture it is still intact. Once US is fully mired in Ukraine, then it is Chinese opportunity to grab Taiwan. They will not miss this life time opportunity to do that. US will be able to do nothing except shout from a distance.

3. That much talked about QUAD will become a paper tiger. Already the Chinese have entered thru the Australian back door at Solomon Islands chain. US and Australia shouted but of no avail. If Chinese are unable to come to the Indian Ocean, it is because India has presented to them a huge challenge. They can apply only pinpricks at India in the Himalayas, no large scale invasion is possible. The Chinese navy cannot cross Straits of Malacca without being mauled by the Indian Navy. Hence strategically Chinese expansion here is checked.

The new government in Pakistan is not anti Chinese but are wush to be more friendly to US hence Chinese desire to convert Pakistan into a client state is already lost. Mind it that Pakistan will be friendly to India but will not be exclusively dependent on China.

4. With foolish as they sound, the US is loosing fast any opportunity to make India into a stalwart of democracy in the region. The US State Department has released reports on Human Rights (a foolish counter productive report) and a report authored by Religious Right of lack of freedom to convert people in India to Christian in tribal belt. Each of these are pinpricks to upset India. The IndIan foreign minister already reacted angrily to these and other reports. When US need more friends than it has and especially in Asia, all these stupid actions are nothing but deliberate. Already the US media is leading a very organized and sustained campaign against India for non issues like removal of illegal land occupation in the cities which are already crowded. No matter how foolish it sounds, the same thing will happen, even worst, if New York’s Central Park undergoes an illegal occupation. The net impact of these will be back to Luke Warm relationship. That you all blame it on Biden Administration.

5. Indian cheap oil import from Russia is giving US nightmares. If Europe decreases its oil purchases from Russia (not now but in the future) the Russians have a ready market in India and China. Biden Administration are leaving no stone unturned to prevent that. That singular point had a rejoinder from India’s Foreign Minister that India imports one hundredth of oil as much as the Europe imports in one afternoon. Hence, the US has lost more influence than it gained.

If US thinks that with Ukraine war they have gained strategic advantage, look at the losses they are likely to make elsewhere. That is what is called incompetent administration.
 

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more of the same old questions and answers.

funny thing is in all these years there is not even one proper honest non-rhetorical discussion publicly available, where a noob can get both US and India 's point of view wrt India-US relationship.
In public domain, there are more people trying to create confusion using rhetorics, than people trying to give an honest explanation.
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If India won't readjust ties with Russia, questions will be asked about Indo-US ties : Lisa Curtis

It is very surprising that the American media is raising questions about India's position regarding a European war. All the QUAD leaders when meeting each other at the annual summits, always reiterate their commitment to a free and open Indo-Pacific region.

While Russia is a transcontinental country spanning from the Atlantic to the Pacific, its actions in Ukraine are in no way a threat to the Pacific region. The conflict in Ukraine does not even merit a discussion in a regional forum that is designed to address the economics, logistics & maritime security of the countries spanning the Indian Ocean, Southeast Asia, and the Pacific Ocean.

Clubbing every summit with every country into a binary expectation of Ally or Enemy is not helping. For a country that commands so much power and influence on the planet, they sure have an immature foreign policy. It is very alarming to see that even tier-1 NATO partners do not question this one-size-fits-all method and just go along instead.
 

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Fuck the QUAD and the military and economic "aid" that US promised to India. It is all bullshit and it comes with strings that goes way too far. US is trying to culturally change India through coercion and this is not tolerable. Cultural change must come from within not externally.
 

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There is a lot of buzz about the new offers of collaboration. Some IDRW reports state that Boeing has offered its larger platforms for DRDO AWACS like the Boeing 787 for long-range AWACS operations (likely to replace the future Beriev A-50 Il-76 based AWACS that we have). They are also working with Air India to set up a full overhauling plant in India for these platforms.

While IDRW isn't an authentic source (a lot of speculative news), if any of this is true, then the Americans are serious about trying to wean us away from Russia. Though their assumption of our relationship being a transactional one (and not strategic) is badly misunderstood.

There are other sources as well, like this:

Sidelining Airbus For Boeing, Indian Air Force Finally On Track To Acquire Mid Air Refuelers To Power Its Fighter Jets

Also given the diametrically opposite views of IAF and the Navy, the latter might end up choosing Super Hornet over Rafale. Navy to IAF is like Pakistan to India.
 

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There is a lot of buzz about the new offers of collaboration. Some IDRW reports state that Boeing has offered its larger platforms for DRDO AWACS like the Boeing 787 for long-range AWACS operations (likely to replace the future Beriev A-50 Il-76 based AWACS that we have). They are also working with Air India to set up a full overhauling plant in India for these platforms.

While IDRW isn't an authentic source (a lot of speculative news), if any of this is true, then the Americans are serious about trying to wean us away from Russia. Though their assumption of our relationship being a transactional one (and not strategic) is badly misunderstood.

There are other sources as well, like this:

Sidelining Airbus For Boeing, Indian Air Force Finally On Track To Acquire Mid Air Refuelers To Power Its Fighter Jets

Also given the diametrically opposite views of IAF and the Navy, the latter might end up choosing Super Hornet over Rafale. Navy to IAF is like Pakistan to India.
I have seen many US think tank pieces in past saying US should focus on interoperability with Indian navy and ignore air force and army for time being, because of 2 reasons :
1. Navy has less russian equipment, so easier to integrate.
2. Major component of their Indo-pacific strategy is naval.

So, won't surprise me if navy goes for more US platforms.
 

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I have seen many US think tank pieces in past saying US should focus on interoperability with Indian navy and ignore air force and army for time being, because of 2 reasons :
1. Navy has less russian equipment, so easier to integrate.
2. Major component of their Indo-pacific strategy is naval.

So, won't surprise me if navy goes for more US platforms.
Start with decoupling plateform like INS Jalsawa.. where we had to replace every amriki equipment to get rid of their inspection routine.
 

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There is a lot of buzz about the new offers of collaboration. Some IDRW reports state that Boeing has offered its larger platforms for DRDO AWACS like the Boeing 787 for long-range AWACS operations (likely to replace the future Beriev A-50 Il-76 based AWACS that we have). They are also working with Air India to set up a full overhauling plant in India for these platforms.

While IDRW isn't an authentic source (a lot of speculative news), if any of this is true, then the Americans are serious about trying to wean us away from Russia. Though their assumption of our relationship being a transactional one (and not strategic) is badly misunderstood.

There are other sources as well, like this:

Sidelining Airbus For Boeing, Indian Air Force Finally On Track To Acquire Mid Air Refuelers To Power Its Fighter Jets

Also given the diametrically opposite views of IAF and the Navy, the latter might end up choosing Super Hornet over Rafale. Navy to IAF is like Pakistan to India.
if there is a plan by muricans to wean away India from russian equipment, it's still being debated, has not reached concrete policy stage.

there is a congressional hearing on "chinese influence in south asia" today evening, might get some clues based on Q&A.

quite frankly US capitol hill does very little thinking regarding India , their current focus is pacific based on yesterday's congressional hearing on their defence budget approval. they are worried about their own capacity of ship building within US, but they are hoping that they won't have to face china alone in pacific, they are hoping SK, JP and US will combine naval forces when time comes.
 

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