India urges China to postpone Xi Jinping's visit

[Srinivas_K]

India urges China to postpone Xi Jinping's visit

Keen to cement ties with China, India has urged Beijing to postpone President Xi Jinping's September state visit to the Capital as it is clashing with host President Pranab Mukherjee's visit to Vietnam. The Indian President is going to Vietnam from September 15-17.

South Block sources said as the tentative date for President Xi's visit to India was September 14-15, Beijing has been informed through diplomatic channels that Chinese President was most welcome on September 17-18 on return from his state visits to Sri Lanka and Pakistan.

"As per earlier plans, President Xi's meeting with Prime Minister Narendra Modi was on September 15 after which he would fly to Colombo and Islamabad. But due to non-availability of the host, President Mukherjee, we have requested that President Xi fly into India on September 17 and hold summit level talks the next day," said a senior official. Beijing reply is still awaited.

The Narendra Modi government is keen to deepen ties particularly in the economic and infrastructure sector and has noted that President Xi sent his special representative Wang Yi to meet the PM as soon as he was sworn in. China has also hosted Indian President, vice president and new commerce minister Nirmala Sitharaman this year.

"Our aim is to keep borders quiet with both countries increasing bilateral trade and Beijing reducing huge trade deficit through investment in Indian manufacturing sector," said a South Block official.

Apart from being the host, the other reason why India wants President Mukherjee to be present is that it does not want to send any adverse message to Beijing particularly when PM Modi is travelling to Japan on September 1-3, hosting Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbot in India on September 4-5 and then travelling to US in the last week of September.

India urges China to postpone Xi Jinping's visit - Hindustan Times


Welcome to India Mr. Xi Jinping !

 

[Ray]

Xi should say Xie Xie.

 

[Compersion]

All the names that are mentioned seem to be nostalgic. Are they done on purpose - is it diplomatic adventurism - is india using certain parleys to convey certain messages. Anyone suggest Agni 5 testing ... Arihant nuclear submarine deployment ... Vikramaditya movement towards East ... in September

The Hindu Business Line : Vajpayee visit &#151 Foreign policy lessons from China

WHEN the Prime Minister, Mr Atal Bihari Vajpayee, visited China in February 1979, his Chinese hosts had an unpleasant, but not entirely unanticipated, surprise for him. Disregarding the close and friendly relations between India and Vietnam, China's supreme leader Deng Xiao Ping sent his army across his country's borders to invade Vietnam.

To add insult to injury, Deng proclaimed that the invasion was meant to teach Vietnam a "lesson" in much the same manner as China had taught India a "lesson" in 1962.

http://www.frontline.in/static/html/fl1522/15220430.htm

We can, however, mitigate this loss by encouraging, for the time being, people-to-people contacts between the two countries. One way is for Indian business to take active advantage of the Chinese investment opportunities which are vast today and which offer high returns. The other is for the Speaker of the Lok Sabha, Vice-Chancellors of universities, and editors and owners of news media organisations, to promote exchanges between equivalent counterparts of the two countries.

rediff.com: Brahma Chellaney on Setting Agni on Li Peng's tail

In 1979 when Vajpayee was in Beijing as foreign minister, China invaded Vietnam, forcing him to cut short his official visit. Then in 1992 the Chinese carried out their most powerful-ever nuclear test during a State visit by then President R Venkataraman.

Vajpayee now has taken his sweet revenge, visiting Vietnam as Li arrived in India and testing the Agni 2 missile while the visitor was still on Indian soil.

Perils of summit diplomacy | Business Line

Disregarding professional advice that China was preparing to attack Vietnam, the then Foreign Minister, Mr Atal Bihari Vajpayee, visited China in March 1979. China not only attacked Vietnam during his visit, but Supreme Leader Deng Xiao Ping rubbed salt on Mr Vajpayee's wounds by asserting that China had only taught a "lesson" to Vietnam in 1979, as it had done to India in 1962.

The main "breakthrough" during the visit of Rajiv Gandhi to China in December 1988 was the establishment of a "Joint Working Group" on the border issue. But, within a year of this visit, China, which was already supplying nuclear weapons design and knowhow to Pakistan, upped the ante and commenced supply of nuclear capable M11 Missiles (now based in Sargodha) to Pakistan. Similarly, Narasimha Rao's visit in September 1993 was followed almost immediately by Chinese supply of ring magnets for Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme and the nuclear capable DF 9 Missile, christened Shaheen 1 by the Pakistanis.

China repeated the "message" it gave to Mr Vajpayee in 1979, by testing a thermonuclear weapon when President Venkataraman paid a State visit in May 1992. Mr Vajpayee' visit in 2003 has been followed by China providing Pakistan with Cruise missiles and plutonium facilities for a new generation of nuclear warheads and conventional weapons ranging from fighter aircraft to frigates.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...on-to-boundary-issue/articleshow/38414790.cms

Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Tuesday called for amicably resolving the boundary row with China and sought enhanced investment in India's infrastructure sector during his meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Brazil.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Both sides can play this game !!

 

[t_co]

How is this newsworthy?

 

[roma]

How is this newsworthy?

the leaders of the world's two most populous countries,
the two countries which have the highest imports of weapons ( once was China , now is India )
were about to get together and now is delayed

.........and you ask how it is newsworthy ?

but anyway , as my colleague has said:-

Both sides can play this game !!

 

[CCP]

the leaders of the world's two most populous countries,
the two countries which have the highest imports of weapons ( once was China , now is India )
were about to get together and now is delayed

.........and you ask how it is newsworthy ?

but anyway , as my colleague has said:-

India's GDP is just about 20% of China's. I don't think China will care much about India (in this game).

How is this newsworthy?

This news can make our Indian friends feel excited (for a day or two).

 

[roma]

India's GDP is just about 20% of China's. I don't think China will care much about India (in this game).

In that case why are YOU ( and your other 50-cent colleagues ) on this forum and you in particular on this thread ?

I mean we really wouldn't mind if you 50-cts took some annual leave ? like permanent ?

 

[CCP]

In that case why are YOU ( and your other 50-cent colleagues ) on this forum ?

make you happy.

 

[CCP]

I mean we really wouldn't mind if you 50-cts took some annual leave ? like permanent ?

 

[prohumanity]

China's GDP in last 20 years grew because USA allowed China to sell its goods in USA. 75% of China's growth is EXPORT DRIVEN, mainly to USA. Now, that is changing...USA is buying from many different nations such as Bangla Desh, India, Vietnam etc...so Chinese economy will be very slow in next 10 years until China stops being dependent on selling stuff to USA.
On the other hand, India's GDP is 90% dependent on its domestic market as India only, strted to open to World in last 10 years ,that also, slowly and carefully. Now, you will see in next 10 years, Indian rocket will fly very high. India has millions of Engineers, Doctors, Computer professionals and other highly educated work force. China is ahead in manufacturing factory goods...BUT..India is ahead in high tech and service sector areas such as finance, banking, space science, computers, electronics etc. MOST IMPORTANTLY, India is a democratic and free nation. I would rather live in a free nation and eat bread and lentil soup than to live in a Communist Party Cage and eat bread and butter with extra cream cheese. There is no price of LIVING FREE . As Chinese, you don't understand the value of freedom as you have not tested it yet fully.

 

[CCP]

China's GDP in last 20 years grew because USA allowed China to sell its goods in USA. 75% of China's growth is EXPORT DRIVEN, mainly to USA. Now, that is changing...USA is buying from many different nations such as Bangla Desh, India, Vietnam etc...so Chinese economy will be very slow in next 10 years until China stops being dependent on selling stuff to USA.

1.where is the 75% come from?
FYI, 26% according to World bank.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NE.EXP.GNFS.ZS

2. China Exports Strengthen on U.S. Demand -WSJ 10.7.2014
http://online.wsj.com/articles/china-exports-rise-7-2-1404958536

3.What is the growth rate of India and China in recent years?

On the other hand, India's GDP is 90% dependent on its domestic market as India only, strted to open to World in last 10 years ,that also, slowly and carefully.

Do you think Indian goods are compete with "made in China" in the world market even in your domestic market.
FYI, 60% of your power plant equipments are "made in China".(50% in 2012)
India can buy more Rafales now.:thumb:

Now, you will see in next 10 years, Indian rocket will fly very high.

How many 10 years you need?
India has to catch up Chinese growth rate first.
FYI, 2 years of China's increasing GDP = India's GDP

India has millions of Engineers, Doctors, Computer professionals and other highly educated work force. China is ahead in manufacturing factory goods...BUT..India is ahead in high tech and service sector areas such as finance, banking, space science, computers, electronics etc.

Then, why you need 10 more years?

MOST IMPORTANTLY, India is a democratic and free nation. I would rather live in a free nation and eat bread and lentil soup than to live in a Communist Party Cage and eat bread and butter with extra cream cheese. There is no price of LIVING FREE . As Chinese, you don't understand the value of freedom as you have not tested it yet fully.

Chinese are enjoying our "Unfreedom" lives and visiting "free" countries.

At 97m and growing, China has most outbound tourists
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2014-01/09/content_17224806.htm
Chinese Outbound Travelers Reached 100 million in 2013 — China Internet Watch

 

[no smoking]

China's GDP in last 20 years grew because USA allowed China to sell its goods in USA. 75% of China's growth is EXPORT DRIVEN, mainly to USA. Now, that is changing...USA is buying from many different nations such as Bangla Desh, India, Vietnam etc...so Chinese economy will be very slow in next 10 years until China stops being dependent on selling stuff to USA.

First, everyone knows investments was the main reason of China's growth since 2008;
Second, everyone knows EU is the 1st customer of China now;
Third, everyone knows Asia/Africa/South America are the fastest growing market for China exportation since 2008;
Forth, everyone knows China is US's third largest market in 2013 ($178.3 billions)

Better back up your claim with facts.

On the other hand, India's GDP is 90% dependent on its domestic market as India only, strted to open to World in last 10 years ,that also, slowly and carefully.

I guess that is why India is struggling with double deficits now. And that is also why India's growth is slowing down faster than China after years of catching up dream.

Now, you will see in next 10 years, Indian rocket will fly very high. India has millions of Engineers, Doctors, Computer professionals and other highly educated work force. China is ahead in manufacturing factory goods...BUT..India is ahead in high tech and service sector areas such as finance, banking, space science, computers, electronics etc.

Oh, really? Is that why India is importing "low-end" computers, radars, machines and energy equipments from China while exporting "high-end" products such as iron core, cotton, etc.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, India is a democratic and free nation. I would rather live in a free nation and eat bread and lentil soup than to live in a Communist Party Cage and eat bread and butter with extra cream cheese. There is no price of LIVING FREE . As Chinese, you don't understand the value of freedom as you have not tested it yet fully.

Sure, why don't you tell this to those insurgence soldiers within India and ask why they would rather risk their lives in fighting with weapons instead of appreciate this freedom?

 

[prohumanity]

Your Communist Party has brainwashed you extensively. Those who don't have freedom..does not know how a free human being lives. Caged birds like to remain in their cages as they have not known how flying in open skies feels. Mr. No Smoking, do your research ...you will find that China's biggest import item from US is Soybeans . Biggest export items are cheap and low quality clothes, shoes, electronics and appliances who fall apart in hours after you bring them home. In US, Made in China means low quality, fragile products made with the sweat and blood of caged, poor Chinese sweatshop workers. India is too powerful militarily to be intimidated now..it's not 1962 when your Communists stabbed Indian leader Nehru in back. I know that current Chinese leaders are different...esp. President Xi and Prime Minister Li seems reasonable..I have read their speeches..they want to be friendly with India and open Silk Routes for trade...That's good..as making 1.2 billion Indians equipped with Nukes and high tech weapons as enemies of China..is a foolish idea. India's new leader seems to be getting along well with Chinese Leaders...lets see how Modi and Xi's meeting in New Delhi goes on August 17...only 5 days from today. CCP and No Smoking...it's time to clean your minds polluted by Communist propaganda and see the new reality as it is. Trade between India and China is the future.....Jingoism is thing of past.
One more important fact..in fact..very important...1 trillion dollars of Chinese money is invested in US treasuries (US govt.Bonds), China can not sell US treasuries Bonds and is stuck with them. Selling these bonds will cause sharp rise in Yuan and the export dependent Chinese economy can collapse. Interest rates in US are very low as this Chinese money is which can not leave..is letting Americans enjoy low interest rates.

 

[prohumanity]

CORRECTION: President Xi is visiting New Delhi, India on SEPT17 (and not August17) PM Modi is visiting US on Sept 27.

 

[CCP]

Your Communist Party has brainwashed you extensively. Those who don't have freedom..does not know how a free human being lives. Caged birds like to remain in their cages as they have not known how flying in open skies feels. Mr. No Smoking, do your research ...you will find that China's biggest import item from US is Soybeans . Biggest export items are cheap and low quality clothes, shoes, electronics and appliances who fall apart in hours after you bring them home. In US, Made in China means low quality, fragile products made with the sweat and blood of caged, poor Chinese sweatshop workers. India is too powerful militarily to be intimidated now..it's not 1962 when your Communists stabbed Indian leader Nehru in back. I know that current Chinese leaders are different...esp. President Xi and Prime Minister Li seems reasonable..I have read their speeches..they want to be friendly with India and open Silk Routes for trade...That's good..as making 1.2 billion Indians equipped with Nukes and high tech weapons as enemies of China..is a foolish idea. India's new leader seems to be getting along well with Chinese Leaders...lets see how Modi and Xi's meeting in New Delhi goes on August 17...only 5 days from today. CCP and No Smoking...it's time to clean your minds polluted by Communist propaganda and see the new reality as it is. Trade between India and China is the future.....Jingoism is thing of past.

1. 100 million "unfreedom" Chinese visit " free" countries per year.
2.NO.1 export goods from China are mechanical equipments(eg.the huge crane over British new AC) follow by electronics( eg. the PC you are using)
3.India has to import bullets, shells, rifles and canons till today.
4.India didn't have successful thermonuclear test yet. Means your nuke can not be minimized, low yields and not a threat to China.(more reading can be found in http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/strategic-forces/6005-agni-v-missile-88.html page 88 could be a good start.)
5.I dont know who polluted your brain and make it came up such laughable arguments.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Chinese CCP is in illusion ...

 

[CCP]

Chinese CCP is in illusion ...

How?
please enlighten me.

 

[Srinivas_K]

How?
please enlighten me.

Your foreign policy and policies on East sea and SCS are a complete mess. Chinese are not yet there and I doubt they can be there to implement the agenda of the super power at will.

There are no friends who can back you up just in case of war with Western powers. Yet you continue to use threatening and bullying to occupy the international waters and others territories.

In Asia China knows India and Japan are getting closer and yet Chinese are distributing maps of Arunachal as Chinese territory, Japan and India are strategically located on opposite sides of China and this move will only strengthen the military relationship between both countries. This bullying on India thinking that India will budge and accept Chinese tactics is a big illusion which will cost Chinese in the future.

We know Chinese are not after any territory(not their main priority, they want to grab the territories), their main objective is to is weaken(or break) the potential competitors for Asian hegemony and there by establishing Chinese order in Asia, This is another big illusion.

 

[CCP]

Your foreign policy and policies on East sea and SCS are a complete mess. Chinese are not yet there and I doubt they can be there to implement the agenda of the super power at will.

There are no friends who can back you up just in case of war with Western powers. Yet you continue to use threatening and bullying to occupy the international waters and others territories.

In Asia China knows India and Japan are getting closer and yet Chinese are distributing maps of Arunachal as Chinese territory, Japan and India are strategically located on opposite sides of China and this move will only strengthen the military relationship between both countries. This bullying on India thinking that India will budge and accept Chinese tactics is a big illusion which will cost Chinese in the future.

We know Chinese are not after any territory(not their main priority, they want to grab the territories), their main objective is to is weaken(or break) the potential competitors for Asian hegemony and there by establishing Chinese order in Asia, This is another big illusion.

1. Japan + India (you may want to add US) is still a joke to PLA (in Asia).

2.We dont need friends．
We have 1.3 billion high productivity population, market, resources , food, water and NO.1 production bases in the world.

3.China was NO.1 in Asia for thousands of years.