India undermining Gwadar project: Pakistan army chief

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Damn dude u must be very desparate to evn think of such nonsense:pound::pound::pound:... Iran is becoming increasingly anti-porki nd russia wud nevr evr do anything to goes against its foreign policy on India bcoz India is a more important ally nd trade partner than porkistan:india::india::brahmos:...... Oh nd regarding wat u mentioned this is wat i think abt it:bs::bs::bs::bs::bs:

I think u must be typin all this stuff based only on pure rumors... Seriously RUSSIA is considering imp projects on CPEC...:bs:


Chinese offered it, they may extend CPEC till Moscow. If I am not wrong.

Russia has its own interests and India has its own.

And no one is permanent friend / permanent enemy in international affairs.
 

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Baloch Freedom Fighters would fight this discrimination since all money looted by Pak Army using Gwadar would be taken back to Rawalpindi.

Pak Army is doing GENOCIDE of Baloch people and using their resources.Same as Bangladesh.



Actually no, BLA is hated by all Baloch - more Baloch are fighting against BLA than Pakistan army; why?

BLA targets polio centers, electric grids, infrastructure, hospitals, and schools.

They dont care about 'freedom' - 400 of them surrendered in 2015 alone when BLA couldnt pay their salary; now whats left of them are misguided teens being molested by old men hiding in caves like cowards - only less than a hundred of them remain - and they have lost all support except for overseas Balochis and the Baloch elite who practiced slavery before Pakistan annexed the region.

There was an incident several days ago in which someone chanted out BLA slogans (sarcastically) in Quetta and was then beaten by a massive crowd - it was the Pakistan army who dispersed the crowd and saved the man.
 
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Now, on topic -

these were the list of projects concerning energy and infrastructure funded by China in 2014 alone - imagine what this will transform Pakistan into (does not include non-energy/infrastructure investments; such as theme parks, zoos, malls and ect...)

 

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these were the list of projects concerning energy and infrastructure funded by China in 2014 alone - imagine what this will transform Pakistan into (does not include non-energy/infrastructure investments; such as theme parks, zoos, malls and ect...)
since ur civil enough i will be reasonable

i want u to show us the progress of all these or at least some of these projects on the ground
everything looks good on paper
any pictures/proof on the ground ?

i know this projects will take time to complete but show us pics or give us links were at least 1 % of these power projects have been implemented.

of all the projects shown in the pic posted by u , only 2 ie the airport and the naval base will end up being completed not because it profits Pakistan but because it helps the Chinese strategic interests and u will end up being saddled with debts .

ur country ur rules ur shenanigans
but gilgit baltistan (POK) is Indian territory under adverse possession we will do what is necessary to get it back and destroy / attempt to destroy any illegitimate development etc through it.
so pakistan should not cry India doing this India doing that
 

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Under no circumstance must the CPEC be allowed to succeed, it must be sabotaged and turned into ash. If we don't act and CPEC becomes functional then we will virtually be gifting POJK to Pak on a platter.
Gilgit Baltistan has literally been taken over by the Chinese where 11,000 PLA soldiers, engineers and workers have built permanent settlements for the ostensible reason of infra development. It will soon be known as PAR (Pakistan Autonomous Region) of China just like TAR (Tibetan Autonomous Region). Even the Pakis need to have a special permit to enter these Chinese areas!! Jeeez!

The Pakis have sold their souls to the Chinese who are taking them for a jolly good ride. The Pakis are just bit players in the CPEC. This is an out and out Chinese project - of the Chinese, for the Chinese, by the Chinese. They are so beholden to the Chinese that 10,000 Pak army soldiers have been deployed to protect their asses along the CPEC!!

Question to the Pakis: WTF are you gonna export through the CPEC? To whom? Are you nuts aware that the cost of transportation will be more than the cost of the low value goods you may export to China? Low value goods like ready-made undies and vests, because you guys have no high value goods that you can export!!
 

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since ur civil enough i will be reasonable

i want u to show us the progress of all these or at least some of these projects on the ground
everything looks good on paper
any pictures/proof on the ground ?

i know this projects will take time to complete but show us pics or give us links were at least 1 % of these power projects have been implemented.

of all the projects shown in the pic posted by u , only 2 ie the airport and the naval base will end up being completed not because it profits Pakistan but because it helps the Chinese strategic interests and u will end up being saddled with debts .

ur country ur rules ur shenanigans
but gilgit baltistan (POK) is Indian territory under adverse possession we will do what is necessary to get it back and destroy / attempt to destroy any illegitimate development etc through it.
so pakistan should not cry India doing this India doing that
Hey, I went to Pakistan last summer and saw an overnight transformation. Infrastructure is being built everywhere, modern buildings and technology are being implemented, education and standard of living has surged.

You see construction noises, demolition, building everywhere. So far, many energy projects have been completed including one of the worlds largest solar park; others are in rapid construction. Almost all infrastructure has been done - while some still need to be finished. But serious, you can tell there is progress being made.











Everywhere in Pakistan - you see, hear, smell and feel construction; its like a whole nation-wide transformation.
 

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Gilgit Baltistan has literally been taken over by the Chinese where 11,000 PLA soldiers, engineers and workers have built permanent settlements for the ostensible reason of infra development. It will soon be known as PAR (Pakistan Autonomous Region) of China just like TAR (Tibetan Autonomous Region). Even the Pakis need to have a special permit to enter these Chinese areas!! Jeeez!

The Pakis have sold their souls to the Chinese who are taking them for a jolly good ride. The Pakis are just bit players in the CPEC. This is an out and out Chinese project - of the Chinese, for the Chinese, by the Chinese. They are so beholden to the Chinese that 10,000 Pak army soldiers have been deployed to protect their asses along the CPEC!!

Question to the Pakis: WTF are you gonna export through the CPEC? To whom? Are you nuts aware that the cost of transportation will be more than the cost of the low value goods you may export to China? Low value goods like ready-made undies and vests, because you guys have no high value goods that you can export!!
Hey, its a massive investment - China invested billions into Brazil; does that mean Brazil sold its country away?

Now the answer to your question: we arent expecting to export anything much through CPEC - our goal is to be in the center of the Chinese-International trade: this will open our markets to the world, bring in billions of investment, and will bring overall prosperity to not only Pakistan but the region.

We've seen that Singapore, a country which couldnt afford water for its people now has a GDP of 308 billion dollars and a GDP per capita of 58,000 dollars because of its strategic position in the center of international trade. It's port is also the busiest in the world.

Gwadar will shift the center of trade from South East Asia to the Arabian ocean - all international goods enroute to China from the Suez and Africa will go through Gwadar as it cuts time, expense and man power. That basically means, all trade to China from the Middle East, Europe and Africa will go through Gwadar.



45 Billion dollars is a lot; that was enough for China to construct 30 Modern Aircraft carriers or 40 of the world's tallest buildings. So China evaluated everything and saw that only good could come out of this project. Indians tend to think that China did this for naval access but China already had access to Pakistani ports far before CPEC.

This will be a game changer to the REGION including India - Indian ports will attract many goods from the Arabian ocean as trade shifts from South East Asia and the South China Sea to the Arabian sea which India also borders. So instead of trying to stop it - India should join the investment train as well. Even the UK has invested hundreds of millions as well.
 
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Hey, I went to Pakistan last summer and saw an overnight transformation. Infrastructure is being built everywhere, modern buildings and technology are being implemented, education and standard of living has surged.

You see construction noises, demolition, building everywhere. So far, many energy projects have been completed including one of the worlds largest solar park; others are in rapid construction. Almost all infrastructure has been done - while some still need to be finished. But serious, you can tell there is progress being made.











Everywhere in Pakistan - you see, hear, smell and feel construction; its like a whole nation-wide transformation.
It is not the transformation that is being questioned, but the cost of transformation. There is rarely any infrastructure project by any govt that is constructed without taking big loans.

The question is how the repayment of loan is planned. Loans are usually partly repaid based on income from infrastructure projects. Question is how many such projects exists which can pay itself in 20-30 years time.

Maybe you can let us know..
 

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It is not the transformation that is being questioned, but the cost of transformation. There is rarely any infrastructure project by any govt that is constructed without taking big loans.

The question is how the repayment of loan is planned. Loans are usually partly repaid based on income from infrastructure projects. Question is how many such projects exists which can pay itself in 20-30 years time.

Maybe you can let us know..
This argument has been used by many people who oppose CPEC. Only small and light portions of CPEC are based on loans - the rest are completely funded by China. Even these loans are soft loans and are easily forgiven.

CPEC is expect to generate a sht load of unimaginable revenue - Gwadar alone will make billions a year from incoming Tariffs; goods passing through Pakistan will be opened a massive market. These loans and our whole debt will easily be payed off - that was a major point of CPEC - to generate heaps of revenue.
 

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I have read a lot of good points and counter points amid the babble above and so decided to butt in with some facts, well here goes nothing
The CPEC will be one of the largest economic belts in Asia when completed but it will not be the biggest such belt even in the South Asian Region. The Biggest Industrial belt in the South Asian region will be the Indian North South Industrial corridor which will start at the deep water post of Vizingham in the state of Kerala & wind it's way up the coast and the hinterland ending at Delhi. The Eastern leg of this corridor will begin at Delhi and end at the port of Katupalli in Tamil Nadu. Just for the sake of comparison the whole of CPEC is budgeted at 46$Bn the northern half of the western north south corridor of India is budgeted at 120$Bn.The Total FDI so far committed to these industrial corridors has crossed 421$Bn.
Vizingham will become the major transit point for mega container vessels of 18000TEU and above to be loaded and unloaded from India, when completed in the next 5-7 yrs this 7$Billion 23mtr draft port will be one of the deepest draft ports in the world.
@Zulfiqar Khan has said above that India should join the CPEC, however it does not need to. See all economic predictions indicate that by 2030 approximately 50% of global production will be produced in India and China combined with some 27% of goods coming from China and the balance 23% from India. India is already planing and preparing for this mass movement of goods with inland navigation projects, dedicated freight lines and deep water ports all being built(krishnapatnam port officially became India's first deep water port with a draft of 18.5mtrs earlier this decade). That said CPEC will become an export route for Chinese goods from the eastern provinces and should earn Pakistan some handsome transit fees as well.
 

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This argument has been used by many people who oppose CPEC. Only small and light portions of CPEC are based on loans - the rest are completely funded by China. Even these loans are soft loans and are easily forgiven.

CPEC is expect to generate a sht load of unimaginable revenue - Gwadar alone will make billions a year from incoming Tariffs; goods passing through Pakistan will be opened a massive market. These loans and our whole debt will easily be payed off - that was a major point of CPEC - to generate heaps of revenue.
Let me try...

Krishnapattinam port which is a comparatively new port in india with 12 berths did 40 million metric tonnes in cargo transit last year. And it made roughly 1800 crores INR, which is roughly 250 million in dollar terms. And this is revenue not profits.

Gwadar has 13 berths, you mean to say Gwadar will generate billions of dollars in revenue in Pakistan as a country.

And don't forget China is taking over management from Gwadar port authority, where is a question of direct revenues to the pak govt. majority of profits will go to some Chinese company not pak govt. you will be lucky if pak govt will not give a tax break on that govt revenue too.

Hope I am making sense.

I am not trying to dampen your sense of optimism, I am just saying CPEC numbers just don't add up to be a magic wand that solves majority of Ur country's problems.
 

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Actually no, BLA is hated by all Baloch - more Baloch are fighting against BLA than Pakistan army; why?

BLA targets polio centers, electric grids, infrastructure, hospitals, and schools.

They dont care about 'freedom' - 400 of them surrendered in 2015 alone when BLA couldnt pay their salary; now whats left of them are misguided teens being molested by old men hiding in caves like cowards - only less than a hundred of them remain - and they have lost all support except for overseas Balochis and the Baloch elite who practiced slavery before Pakistan annexed the region.

There was an incident several days ago in which someone chanted out BLA slogans (sarcastically) in Quetta and was then beaten by a massive crowd - it was the Pakistan army who dispersed the crowd and saved the man.
The Pak Army is doing genocide like it did in Bangladesh.Bangladesh got freedom and ahead of Pakistan already.You are sucking blood of Baloch and the reason Balochistan Freedom Movement is there.



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these were the list of projects concerning energy and infrastructure funded by China in 2014 alone - imagine what this will transform Pakistan into (does not include non-energy/infrastructure investments; such as theme parks, zoos, malls and ect...)

Such plans looks good on paper and Pakis like can simply rejoice and "IMAGINE" on paper plans.

The FACT is that Pakistan is not a safe country to invest and even Chinese knows it.Showing some paper plans and some construction pics is not going to make someone believe that Pakistan is going towards a 1st world state.Pakistan is simply a FAILED STATE and recently Nawaz is in UK and there are news that Pak Army is in plans of a soft coup.You would end up having Pig eating Chinese ruling your ass using Pak Army.

Pakistan would reap what it sowed ie. TERRORISM and the same terrorists you sent to us would destroy your CPEC plans.
 

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Hey, its a massive investment - China invested billions into Brazil; does that mean Brazil sold its country away?

Now the answer to your question: we arent expecting to export anything much through CPEC - our goal is to be in the center of the Chinese-International trade: this will open our markets to the world, bring in billions of investment, and will bring overall prosperity to not only Pakistan but the region.

We've seen that Singapore, a country which couldnt afford water for its people now has a GDP of 308 billion dollars and a GDP per capita of 58,000 dollars because of its strategic position in the center of international trade. It's port is also the busiest in the world.

Gwadar will shift the center of trade from South East Asia to the Arabian ocean - all international goods enroute to China from the Suez and Africa will go through Gwadar as it cuts time, expense and man power. That basically means, all trade to China from the Middle East, Europe and Africa will go through Gwadar.



45 Billion dollars is a lot; that was enough for China to construct 30 Modern Aircraft carriers or 40 of the world's tallest buildings. So China evaluated everything and saw that only good could come out of this project. Indians tend to think that China did this for naval access but China already had access to Pakistani ports far before CPEC.

This will be a game changer to the REGION including India - Indian ports will attract many goods from the Arabian ocean as trade shifts from South East Asia and the South China Sea to the Arabian sea which India also borders. So instead of trying to stop it - India should join the investment train as well. Even the UK has invested hundreds of millions as well.
Chinese are actually investing in many countries including Pakistan, ASEAN will serve China as the import destination, CPEC is mainly energy corridor plus China is planning EEZ's. Within a decade ASEAN will loose its edge in manufacturing then countries like Pakistan may pick up. India is ever green because we are a consumer as well as a manufacturer. We can also cater our exports to many nations.
 

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The Pak Army is doing genocide like it did in Bangladesh.Bangladesh got freedom and ahead of Pakistan already.You are sucking blood of Baloch and the reason Balochistan Freedom Movement is there.





Such plans looks good on paper and Pakis like can simply rejoice and "IMAGINE" on paper plans.

The FACT is that Pakistan is not a safe country to invest and even Chinese knows it.Showing some paper plans and some construction pics is not going to make someone believe that Pakistan is going towards a 1st world state.Pakistan is simply a FAILED STATE and recently Nawaz is in UK and there are news that Pak Army is in plans of a soft coup.You would end up having Pig eating Chinese ruling your ass using Pak Army.

Pakistan would reap what it sowed ie. TERRORISM and the same terrorists you sent to us would destroy your CPEC plans.
Bhai, you dont know two shits about Balochistan except from fanboy separatists living thousands miles away writing and creating fake shit from a foreign country like Canada that is being flamed and fueled by Indians who have nothing better to do with their lives except to undermine Pakistan in every and each way.

Before Pakistan's annexation of Balochistan. Balochistan was ruled by an elite group of landowners; these landowners practiced slavery and used forced labor on local Baloch people. Within a span of 10 years, there were three separate revolts. Baloch people were suffering, starving and dying at the hands of their own people. In 1948 - Pakistan annexed Balochistan and their first task was to remove these landowners and distribute land equally to families who had originally served as forced labourers to the Baloch elite.

The Baloch elite knowing that they would've been trailed fled abroad to countries like Canada, Britain and the US - the remaining fled to mountainous and isolated areas. During the 1970's - the Baloch rebellion in Iran spilled over after Pakistan began to support Iran against the insurgency. The Baloch elite and Iraq began to fund the remaining Zamindars in Balochistan against an all out rebellion against Pakistan - but was crushed within several years. Baloch insurgency began to appear on the surface again during 2005-2013; after Pakistan cracked down on the Taliban.

Pakistan army used intimidation tactics against anyone who dared try to join the Taliban - this backfired as many of the captured and executed Taliban in Balochistan were actually Baloch - many Balochis took this out be a war against Balochis (even though most of Pakistan army in Balochistan are Baloch).

The BLA eventually lost all their popularity after attacks on polio center, hospitals, infrastructure, water filters and electric grids which made it harder for the average Baloch. In 2009 all tribes and clan of Balochistan agreed to contribute fighters to fight against BLA after several bus massacres committed by the BLA.

By 2011 BLA numbers crashed down to 700.

In 2013, Pakistan army launched an operation killing hundreds of BLA terrorists and capturing their main leaders.

In 2014, after BLA failed to provide salary to their militants, over 400 BLA terrorists surrendered to the Frontier corps in exchange for immunity.

By 2015, BLA is hardly alive, with an estimated less then 100 members most of them being small boys.

Baloch tribesmen and Pakistan security forces fight BLA together.


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Please look at your own backyard before you comment shit about terrorism in Pakistan.


India has the most separatist AND terrorist groups in the world. Yet your talk nonsense about Pakistan concerning terrorism. By 2017, India will surpass Pakistan in terrorism.

As for CPEC, i'm sure you know much more than the thousands of intellectuals, economists, experts, engineers and world famous organizations like IMF, UN, Trade economics, EU and ect... who have all praised CPEC as a game changer for the region. The Gulf States are pouring in hundreds of millions of dollars into CPEC - almost all HI countries are investing into CPEC including the UK.





 
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the thousands of intellectuals, economists, experts, engineers and world famous organizations like IMF, UN, Trade economics, EU and ect... who have all praised CPEC as a game changer for the region. The Gulf States are pouring in hundreds of millions of dollars into CPEC - almost all HI countries are investing into CPEC including the UK.
lol no offence but funny thing is this is only a pakistani aka Zulfiqar Khan perspective

thousands of intellectuals, economists, experts, engineers ????(spread a few dollars to see the magic)

world famous organizations like IMF, UN, Trade economics, EU and ect ????(too much assumptions)

Gulf States are pouring in hundreds of millions of dollars into CPEC????(still on paper)

all HI countries are investing into CPEC including the UK???? (still on paper)


really now you are being too modest
i hope you did blush while penning down these words.

if majority of those papers, reports were to be scrutinized then their writers would turn out to be pakistani , pakistani origin , paid foreign writers aka bimboos .

however lets wait and see what happens in next 5 to 10 years on the ground.

doodh ka doodh pani ka pani hojayega

CPEC ke chakarme pakistan hi na gayab ho gaye :biggrin2: :biggrin2:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------albeit i would add this personal prediction of mine as the most funny unexpected thing that might happen due to CPEC ( THE UNEXPECTED WILD CARD OPTION ) :notsure:
 
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Please look at your own backyard before you comment shit about terrorism in Pakistan.
i thought that at least you have a understanding of the truth

terrorism in Kashmir is due to Pakistan
Islamic terrorism in India is due to Pakistan

arms , training keha se mil raha hai , international community also recognizes that Pakistan uses terrorism as a state weapon.

two thirds of terrorism in India is due to pakistan itself , and you are telling us pakistan is better.
maybe India should reciprocate to increase pakistans ranking just as pakistan is doing to India.

look at this all the neighbors of pakistan
Afghanistan , Iran , India even china all have suffered one way or the other , some little less or some way more from Pakistani sponsored direct/indirect terrorism.
yeh to ho gaya jaishe choor kotwal ko daate.
 

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Bhai, you dont know two shits about Balochistan except from fanboy separatists living thousands miles away writing and creating fake shit from a foreign country like Canada that is being flamed and fueled by Indians who have nothing better to do with their lives except to undermine Pakistan in every and each way.

Before Pakistan's annexation of Balochistan. Balochistan was ruled by an elite group of landowners; these landowners practiced slavery and used forced labor on local Baloch people. Within a span of 10 years, there were three separate revolts. Baloch people were suffering, starving and dying at the hands of their own people. In 1948 - Pakistan annexed Balochistan and their first task was to remove these landowners and distribute land equally to families who had originally served as forced labourers to the Baloch elite.

The Baloch elite knowing that they would've been trailed fled abroad to countries like Canada, Britain and the US - the remaining fled to mountainous and isolated areas. During the 1970's - the Baloch rebellion in Iran spilled over after Pakistan began to support Iran against the insurgency. The Baloch elite and Iraq began to fund the remaining Zamindars in Balochistan against an all out rebellion against Pakistan - but was crushed within several years. Baloch insurgency began to appear on the surface again during 2005-2013; after Pakistan cracked down on the Taliban.

Pakistan army used intimidation tactics against anyone who dared try to join the Taliban - this backfired as many of the captured and executed Taliban in Balochistan were actually Baloch - many Balochis took this out be a war against Balochis (even though most of Pakistan army in Balochistan are Baloch).

The BLA eventually lost all their popularity after attacks on polio center, hospitals, infrastructure, water filters and electric grids which made it harder for the average Baloch. In 2009 all tribes and clan of Balochistan agreed to contribute fighters to fight against BLA after several bus massacres committed by the BLA.

By 2011 BLA numbers crashed down to 700.

In 2013, Pakistan army launched an operation killing hundreds of BLA terrorists and capturing their main leaders.

In 2014, after BLA failed to provide salary to their militants, over 400 BLA terrorists surrendered to the Frontier corps in exchange for immunity.

By 2015, BLA is hardly alive, with an estimated less then 100 members most of them being small boys.

Baloch tribesmen and Pakistan security forces fight BLA together.


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Please look at your own backyard before you comment shit about terrorism in Pakistan.


India has the most separatist AND terrorist groups in the world. Yet your talk nonsense about Pakistan concerning terrorism. By 2017, India will surpass Pakistan in terrorism.

As for CPEC, i'm sure you know much more than the thousands of intellectuals, economists, experts, engineers and world famous organizations like IMF, UN, Trade economics, EU and ect... who have all praised CPEC as a game changer for the region. The Gulf States are pouring in hundreds of millions of dollars into CPEC - almost all HI countries are investing into CPEC including the UK.




Excellent post bro, you nailed it.
 

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Before Pakistan's annexation of Balochistan. Balochistan was ruled by an elite group of landowners; these landowners practiced slavery and used forced labor on local Baloch people. Within a span of 10 years, there were three separate revolts. Baloch people were suffering, starving and dying at the hands of their own people. In 1948 - Pakistan annexed Balochistan and their first task was to remove these landowners and distribute land equally to families who had originally served as forced labourers to the Baloch elite.
i am getting tired of punching holes in pakistani propaganda here
paki source : http://www.dawn.com/news/775988/pakistans-fixation-with-feudalism
and google for others if u want.

pakistan is up to neck in zamindari and feudal system even till now and has done little to eliminate it except for lip service .
and now we have enlightened pakistanis here asking us to believe that Baluchistan annexation was to liberate baloch people from landowners etc because they removed completely the so called landowners from Baluchistan while the rest of pakistan still continues to reel under feudal/zamindari etc system in one way or the other till date.

something gets implemented in Baluchistan within a few years of annexation in 1948 while remains largely unimplemented in rest of Pakistan till date .

mighty contradictory isnt it ?
or maybe the truth about Baluchistan is something else

pakistani propaganda is full of holes and sucks big time

lol
yeah sure he nailed it - that pakistanis are bad liars before everybody except themselves
try something more original
 
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Hey, I went to Pakistan last summer and saw an overnight transformation. Infrastructure is being built everywhere, modern buildings and technology are being implemented, education and standard of living has surged.

You see construction noises, demolition, building everywhere. So far, many energy projects have been completed including one of the worlds largest solar park; others are in rapid construction. Almost all infrastructure has been done - while some still need to be finished. But serious, you can tell there is progress being made.

Everywhere in Pakistan - you see, hear, smell and feel construction; its like a whole nation-wide transformation.
Few propaganda pictures go a long way for you. Care to give statistics rather than pictures.
The only thing going for you is China. China has excess capital and it is looking for places to invest.
You have no internal strength.
Soon China will also find what black hole Pakistan is.
 

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i am getting tired of punching holes in pakistani propaganda here
paki source : http://www.dawn.com/news/775988/pakistans-fixation-with-feudalism
and google for others if u want.

pakistan is up to neck in zamindari and feudal system even till now and has done little to eliminate it except for lip service .
and now we have enlightened pakistanis here asking us to believe that Baluchistan annexation was a salvation for baloch people because they removed completely the so called landowners from Baluchistan while the rest of pakistan still continues to reel under feudal/zamindari etc system in one way or the other till date.

mighty contradictory isnt it ?
or maybe the truth about Baluchistan is something else

pakistani propaganda is full of holes and sucks big time

lol
yeah sure he nailed it - that pakistanis are bad liars before everybody except themselves
Yes feudalism still exists, I never denied that - its a problem that is still being tackled; the military has just launched an operation targeting feudalism in South Punjab and North Sindh.

But Feudalism dropped to almost non-existent after Pakistan's annexation of Punjab. The wealthy began buying the distributed land again and started practicing fuedal system.
 

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