India successfully tests submarine launched ballistic missile K-15/B05

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Sir,
How K-15 got air intakes ,as per my little knowledge ballistic missiles and rockets don't need air intakes and in terminal phase these air intakes may cause the war head to explode ( because of high temperature ).
sorry doc

it appears that i posted some other link
doc,



http://i.imgur.com/fycQeuX.jpg

Brahmos sub launch had tech developed for K15, Russians did't provide the tech to us. Therefore we develop it ourself. BTW PJ-08 was earlier name of K15 as per chor Gupta.

Added later on

Design of cap make it easy for the missile to move through the water.
instead of that link try this link from brahmos website.
Submarine Launch Version - BrahMos.com

right now it is not working for me but google is showing this to be correct link

they are saying this because Brahmos has this air in take



Basic difference between the nose cap on Brahmos and K15 is that in Brahmos it gives direction after vertical launch and in K-15 it protect the missile from water. May be same for the Brahmos underwater launch missile.
 

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Russia Is Helping India Extend Range of Missile, U.S. Aides Say - The New York Times

Lol after 14 tests and start of production they wake up to this fact. Btw if Russians would have helped us then Brahmos sub launch test would have come first. The very fact that it has delayed so long shows this is cent percent local product.

Russians said a while back Indian missile program has advanced to the point where
Russia can provide very little assistance, if anything I think Israelis are a bigger help.
LF, Israeli has any SLBM ?
 

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Israel to enhance range of Indian SLBM Sagarika to 2500 km

Ran Dagoni, Washington 23 Feb 05 14:21

"Defense News" reports that India has given the go-ahead to its Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) to speed up development of a submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM). India has asked Israel for "technical assistance" on the development work. Russia also wants to provide "aid".

The missile program is called "Sagarika". Defense News'' quotes top DRDO scientists as saying that they have received permission to extend the missile's range from the originally planned 1,000 kilometers to 2,500 kilometers. The Sagarika currently has a range of only 300 kilometers. A top Indian scientist said extending the Sagarika's range was intended to give it nuclear deterrent capability.

A senior Israel Ministry of Defense official told "Defense News" that Israel was in talks with the DRDO on the latter's critical programs, including missiles.

Under the accelerated Sagarika development program, the DRDO will utilize Israeli and Russian assistance to carry out a test launch within two years. In June, the DRDO hopes to test fire the Sagarika from a land site, using a guidance system upgraded with the help of Russian scientists from NPOM - Russia's state-supported cruise missile and space technology design bureau - based at the DRDO.

A senior NPOM official said although Russian scientist had provided critical hardware for the guidance system, they had any no connection with developing the Sagarika as a nuclear deterrent.

At a press conference on February 11, DRDO scientific adviser M Natarajan denied that the Sagarika program existed. However, two days earlier, India's Minister of Defence Pranab Mukherjee said there were delays in the missile's development.

In separate matter, a senior Indian Ministry of Defence official said two Israeli companies would participate in upgrading 15 Indian Navy Sea Harrier vertical take-off and landing jets, stationed on the INS Viraat aircraft carrier. "Globes" reported on February 8 that Rafael (Israel Armament Development Authority Ltd.) had won a $25 million tender to provide 20 Derby missiles for Indian Navy jets. It has now been learned that IAI-Elta Electronics Industries will provide the upgraded Sea Harriers with radar systems and will upgrade the plane's avionics.

At the Aero India 2005 exhibition earlier this month in Bangalore, Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI) displayed its Mosquito micro-unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), which can be launched from inside a room, and its Bird 400 UAV. Defense News'' reports that IAI is the largest vendor of UAV's to the Indian Army.

At the Aero India 2005, IAI also displayed its Delilah missile, which India wants to buy. Rafael displayed its SPYDER Air Defense System, which incorporates the Derby active radar (RF) missile and Python 5 dual waveband Imaging Infra Red (IIR) missile. India wants to buy 75 Spyders.
 

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Israel Submarine Capabilities | Articles | NTI Analysis | NTI

Israel Submarine Capabilities

Based at Haifa, the Israeli Navy (IN) currently operates four modern, diesel-electric, Dolphin-class submarines designed and constructed by Germany's Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (HDW). The first three were commissioned between 1999 and 2000; two were donated by Germany and the cost of the third was split between Germany and Israel. The fourth and fifth submarines, agreed to in 2006, will be advanced Dolphin-class vessels equipped with air-independent propulsion (AIP); one was delivered to the Israeli Navy in May 2012 and the other is expected in 2013.[1] Germany and Israel also agreed to a sixth Dolphin submarine with AIP technology in February 2012.[2]

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Before obtaining the Dolphins, the IN depended upon three Gal-class submarines, designed by Germany for Israel, and constructed at the Vickers Shipyard in the United Kingdom between 1973 and 1977. The Gal-class is a modified Type 206A coastal submarine. The Gals were decommissioned when the Dolphins were commissioned into the Israeli Navy, and Israel had planned to sell the vessels. However, no buyer was found and one of the boats was returned to Israel, where it is currently exhibited at the Haifa Naval Museum.[3]

As previous conflicts involving Israel began with naval blockades, Israel views its submarine force as critical to national security. Israel's submarines are also intended to exercise sea control over the Eastern Mediterranean and secure sea lines of communication; Israel is dependent on imports of grain, crude oil, and raw materials.[4] There has been consistent speculation that Israel's submarines could be refitted to carry missiles armed with nuclear weapons in order for the country to maintain a survivable second-strike option. Acknowledging Israel's lack of strategic depth, officials have asserted that only submarines can provide a secure weapons platform in the future.[5]

The arming of Israel's submarines has received a great deal of attention. While HDW has stated that Israel's Dolphin-class submarines were equipped with weapon systems similar to those installed on other diesel-electric submarines, various sources have alleged that upon their arrival in Israel, the submarines were modified, and fitted with cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads.[6] The three initial Dolphin-class submarines were designed in accordance with Israeli demands, and include a "wet and dry" compartment for special operations, as well as four 650mm torpedo tubes, which could be used for Swimmer Delivery Vehicles (SDVs).[7] The German Defense Ministry has stated that these larger tubes were intended to fire Harpoons; upon delivery to Israel, liners were to be fitted to decrease the diameter of the tubes to accommodate the 533mm Harpoon containers. However, the Dolphin-class is equipped with six 533mm torpedo tubes as well, which are capable of launching Harpoons.[8] It seems possible, therefore, that the 650mm tubes might have been designed to accommodate indigenously built, long-range SLCMs. The German government has stated that it does not have information on whether Israel installed different equipment on the submarines after delivery, although former German officials have acknowledged that they assumed that Israel intended to equip the submarines with nuclear weapons. [9]

Some reports suggest that Israel has adapted Harpoon cruise missiles, which have a range of 130 kilometers, to carry an indigenously developed nuclear warhead and guidance system, though other experts argue that such modifications to a Harpoon missile are not feasible.[10] Others believe that Israel has developed an indigenous cruise missile with a range of 320 kilometers that could be a version of Rafael Armament Development Authority's Popeye turbo cruise missile.[11] Still others believe that the missile may be a version of the Gabriel 4LR produced by Israel Aircraft Industries, which could be launched in 533mm torpedo tubes similar to the Harpoon.[12] Such speculation was further fueled by an unconfirmed test of a nuclear-capable, submarine-launched cruise missile (SLCM) in the Indian Ocean in 2000. Some reports claimed targets 1,500 kilometers away were hit.[13] Such a range, however, implies an entirely new type of missile.[14] In June 2002, former State Department and Pentagon officials confirmed that the U.S. Navy observed Israeli missile tests in the Indian Ocean in 2000, and that the Dolphin-class vessels have been fitted with nuclear-capable cruise missiles of a new design.[15] However, the Israeli Defense Forces have consistently denied any such missile tests.[16]

In October 2003, unidentified senior U.S. and Israeli officials were quoted as saying that Israel had successfully modified nuclear warheads to fit its Harpoon missiles.[17] Whatever the missile currently arming Israel's Dolphin-class submarines, it seems clear that Israel is interested in the acquisition of new cruise missiles. Its request for U.S. Tomahawk cruise missiles was rejected by the Clinton administration in 2000, since such a sale would have violated the Missile Technology Control Regime, which prohibits the transfer of missiles with a range exceeding 300 kilometers.[18]

The modernized Dolphin-class combines a conventional diesel led-acid battery system and an air-independent propulsion system (AIP) which makes the vessel extremely quiet and allows it to remain submerged for up to a week without surfacing. [19] It is said to have a maximum speed of 20 knots, and a range of 4,500km. [20] The new boats will be equipped with 650mm torpedo tubes—again leading to much speculation that the Israelis intend to outfit the submarines with nuclear-armed cruise missiles.[21]
 

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Israel has no SLBM capability. Russia will not break its START or MTCR commitment . Israel may be useful for nirbhay period.
 

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Just here to say >> Congt all .. :D
 

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Israel has no SLBM capability. Russia will not break its START or MTCR commitment . Israel may be useful for nirbhay period.
Nirbhay is rumored to have originated from Israel Popeye SLCM progam.
 

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Israel has no SLBM capability. Russia will not break its START or MTCR commitment . Israel may be useful for nirbhay period.


Israel is quietly developing a submarine force carrying nuclear-armed cruise missiles, sources told the German magazine Der Spiegel.

The magazine said Sunday a German shipyard has already built three submarines for the Israeli navy equipped with a classified mechanism for launching cruise missiles capable of carrying a nuclear warhead.

Israel apparently has already armed the subs with nuclear weapons, the magazine said.

Although Israel does not comment on its supposed nuclear capability, Spiegel said Germany has been aware Israel has nuclear weapons. Former State Secretary Lothar Ruhl told the magazine the German government always assumed the submarines being built in a Kiel shipyard would carry them.

Germany is also footing much of the cost of the submarine program. Three more boats are waiting to be built, although Chancellor Angela Merkel has demanded Israel halt its expansion of settlements on the West Bank as a condition of delivery of the sixth and final vessel


Report: Israeli Submarines Nuclear Armed | Military.com
 

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Looking at the Israeli report of modifying torpedo tubes for missile launch confirms my estimation that India has rigged its Kilos for launch of Sagarika. Officials have always said the missiles can be launched from Indian subs.
 

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K15 used for Anti Aircraft carrier would be great. AC wont have much time to save itself.
 

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Looking at the Israeli report of modifying torpedo tubes for missile launch confirms my estimation that India has rigged its Kilos for launch of Sagarika. Officials have always said the missiles can be launched from Indian subs.
yeah that gives me idea about the beep in NDTV report where DRDO Chief voice was edited..........................:thumb:
 

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yeah that gives me idea about the beep in NDTV report where DRDO Chief voice was edited..........................:thumb:
All of India's Kilos are getting upgraded. Klub ready and may be Sagarika ready too!!
 

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S1 experimental sub could have launched the K15.
 

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After this, any one would think twice before laughing that after 50 odd tests, prithvi failed in testing.
It will keep everyone guessing.
International communities (neighborhood) might object even to genuine prithvi test.
Talk about threat without threatening.. :)
You are obviously underestimating the tenacity of IRI, the wave of bots will never cease,
people will always say DRDO developed systems are underpowered, obsolete
overweight ,under armored compared to any other system in operation,

and people drink and make merry in DRDO labs,

Even after induction criticism won't stop.

But no one can stop the truth from finally emerging.

http://www.frontlineonnet.com/stories/20130208300205300.htm

"Hypersonic technology is very, very complex. We have done a lot of tests on the ground. We are planning to have the first test [of the HSTDV] by the middle of 2013," said A.K. Chakrabarti, Director, DRDL. The HSTDV will employ a propulsion system called scramjet (supersonic combustion ramjet) and use hydrogen as fuel. The main aim of the trial is to test the vehicle's scramjet propulsion. In a vehicle or missile that employs a scramjet engine, air flows into the combustion chamber at hypersonic speed when the vehicle is flying at more than Mach 6.

We have done the ground tests. We have completed the testing of the full-scale scramjet combustion engine. The final hardware is getting ready for the flight. This is a highly classified technology," Raju said. Cruise missiles use scramjet engines. Satya Prakash listed the advantages that accrue from using a scramjet engine. Counter-measures will be difficult against missiles flying at hypersonic speeds. Rolex Ranjit is proud that "this technology will give us a global reach in targeting places and striking them because of its speed".
A hyper sonic vehicle is waiting to emerge from the shadows.

It is also under the supervision of A.K. Chakrabarti, Director, DRDL who is also the leader of the B05 missile test.
 
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India's K-15 launch and the dangers beyond

Even as New Delhi seeks deterrence stability against China, it realises that the latter's nuclear arsenal looks beyond India to include US and Russia

The reason why nations place a significant part of their nuclear arsenals on board nuclear-propelled ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs) is because of their invulnerability, in comparison with static air force bases and missile sites or even mobile launchers. Once at its patrol station, a few hundred metres underwater, the SSBN is considered safe from prying sensors, including satellites.

From this top-secret redoubt, her battery of ballistic missiles poses the threat of a devastating riposte to any adversary who may contemplate a nuclear first-strike.

In this context, the final launch of India's K-15 submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM), marking successful completion of its development programme, is yet another feather in the cap of Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). This event denotes the achievement of mastery over a sequence of esoteric technologies by Indian scientists. These include safe underwater ejection of the missile, ignition of its rocket-motor at the moment of breaking surface, control during its ballistic-trajectory and precise delivery of its payload over the target.

All that remains to be tested is how the K-15's nuclear warhead will fare during its hypersonic flight and white-hot re-entry into the atmosphere; and the kind of explosive yield that its nuclear blast will deliver. However, the last bit may remain an unknown, in view of India's self-imposed 1998 test-moratorium and the Comprehensive Test-Ban Treaty.

The primary aim of India's no-first use (NFU) nuclear arsenal has always been to deter China from threatening it or attempting coercion with its powerful nuclear arsenal. It is for this reason that Indian scientists have steadfastly persevered, since the early 1980s, in their endeavours to produce a missile capable of delivering a sizeable nuclear warhead out to an inter-continental range of 5,000-8,000km. Their worthy efforts were crowned by success, with the successful test-firing of the Agni-V last year, and India can now claim to have an effective, land-based, nuclear deterrent against China.

An SSBN, being a vessel of immense strategic value, has to be deployed with care and secrecy in areas which are not frequented by shipping traffic. Their patrol stations are, therefore, chosen in remote parts of the ocean where they can loiter for months at a time, without fear of detection or interference. The obvious corollary is that their missile range must be adequate to reach adversary targets from safe waters. For example, the Chinese Jin-class SSBN is armed with the JL-2 SLBM, which has a range of 8,000km and can target both San Francisco and Kolkata from the South China Sea.

In this context, it becomes obvious that the 750km range of the K-15 is grossly insufficient for it to zero in on targets in mainland China from home waters. To be a truly effective third leg of the nuclear triad, an Indian nuclear submarine will have to await the delivery of an underwater launched missile of intercontinental range, so that it can threaten desired targets from safe patrol areas in the Bay of Bengal and Arabian Sea.

However, it must be recognised that the American, Russian and Chinese navies had all followed a similar route before achieving SLBM capability of intercontinental range. Installed on board the soon-to-be-commissioned SSBN Arihant, there is no doubt the K-15 will serve as the most valuable stepping-stone and learning tool for more capable SLBMs that will follow.

Nuclear deterrence is all about sending the right signals to the adversary and there is a school of thought that Pakistan has already misinterpreted, inadvertently or deliberately, a number of Indian signals. The K-15 must not add to this list.

Even as India sought deterrence stability with respect to China, it clearly understood that the latter's strategic calculus and nuclear arsenal looked well beyond India to include the US and Russia. It is a most regrettable aspect of sub-continental geopolitics that Pakistan has been unwilling to acknowledge that India's arsenal, too, was predicated on factors other than Pakistan and has consistently sought to acquire parity with India.

Regardless of India's true intentions in undertaking the Pokhran I nuclear test in May 1998, Islamabad jumped to the conclusion that India had embarked on a Pak-centric nuclear weapon programme and accelerated its own ongoing bomb project. The test of the liquid-fuelled, nuclear-capable 150km-range Prithvi missile in 1988 and that of the 1,500km-range Agni the following year confirmed Pakistan's apprehensions that India's nuclear capability was intended, not against China, but itself. The range of these missiles seemed to confirm this. India's much publicised ballistic-missile defence programme, the launch of the Arihant and the maiden display of Agni V during the Republic Day parade may have all added to this paranoia. None of these developments are meant to be Pakistan-centric, but the induction of the 750km K-15 SLBM will certainly fuel the fears of Pakistan.

In a related context, since nuclear weapons have a large kill radius, accuracy is a relatively minor consideration for the delivery system — as long as the targeting strategy calls for counter-value attacks against cities, envisaged in the current Indian nuclear doctrine. However, the mention of single-digit accuracy' by the DRDO chief in the K-15 context raises the spectre of 'counter-force' targeting and an entirely different ball game.

Pakistan's nuclear ambitions have acquired such a desperate edge that its fissile plutonium production rate, from China-supplied reactors, will soon enable it to acquire one of the world's largest warhead inventories. Apart from inducting cruise missiles, Pakistan has also stepped into the dangerous realm of tactical nuclear weaponry, and, there has been intriguing mention of Pakistan Navy's Strategic Forces Command being the 'custodian of the nation's second-strike capability'.

With India's scientists having done their job well, it is high time India's national security experts and analysts step on to the strategic stage and, apart from considering the strategic context of the K-15, reflect on the state of mutual suspicion, rather than the actual needs of deterrence and stability that seem to be driving the growth of nuclear arsenals on the sub-continent.

Admiral (retd.) Arun Prakash is a former chief of the Indian Navy and former chairman, Chiefs-of-Staff Committee.

India's K-15 launch and the dangers beyond | GulfNews.com
 

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You cannot launch something like K-15 from a tube. It will have to be Nirbhay. Even a 650 mm TT cannot fire the 740mm dia K-15 missile.
 

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