India Strikes Against Pakistani Terrorism 2019

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Let's wait till June for the FATF decision.

Besides, Iran is hardly the only source for energy.
There are 2 things that India is throwing away by stopping Iranian oil imports:

1. Iran offers oil at a very attractive price, and sometimes even takes care of shipping and insurance. This gives us a better hand while negotiating with other oil exporting nations.

2. There is the geopolitical angle as well.. We have stopped importing oil from Iran and Venezuela... So now we are importing all of our oil from US allies like Saudi, UAE, Iraq.. and also US. This would allow Uncle Sam to pressure us in the future, in case there is a crisis and we are on opposite sides of the fence. If there is regime change in venezuela and Iran in the future, and the regime happens to be an American pet, then, this would further bolster America's position viz-a-viz oil buyers like India or China. All significant oil producers except Russia would be in the American camp. Also Venezuela has the world's largest oil reserves.
 

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One comment in that tweet sums up Paki Jhaahil mentality
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"listing" as "Global Terrorist" only possible
coz "references" to "terrorism" removed :hail:

& given that their Iconic Shaan-e-namard PM Imraand. thinks that Germany & Japan share border...
so we shouldn't expect much signs of Human Intelligence.

Btw hurt them where it burns....
references aside he's "Global" "Terrorist"
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Iron Brother(China)..:scared2:
Boss looks for Pakis' Pakistan and Kashmir are not part of the Globe... and Masood Azhar is a Martian citizen:hail::doh:
 

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One comment in that tweet sums up Paki Jhaahil mentality
View attachment 34616

"listing" as "Global Terrorist" only possible
coz "references" to "terrorism" removed :hail:

& given that their Iconic Shaan-e-namard PM Imraand. thinks that Germany & Japan share border...
so we shouldn't expect much signs of Human Intelligence.

Btw hurt them where it burns....
references aside he's "Global" "Terrorist"
&
Iron Brother(China)..:scared2:
:D could be a twitter handle of snowflake Gayfoora troll army.
Inbredaniyat everywhere
 

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There are 2 things that India is throwing away by stopping Iranian oil imports:

1. Iran offers oil at a very attractive price, and sometimes even takes care of shipping and insurance. This gives us a better hand while negotiating with other oil exporting nations.

2. There is the geopolitical angle as well.. We have stopped importing oil from Iran and Venezuela... So now we are importing all of our oil from US allies like Saudi, UAE, Iraq.. and also US. This would allow Uncle Sam to pressure us in the future, in case there is a crisis and we are on opposite sides of the fence. If there is regime change in venezuela and Iran in the future, and the regime happens to be an American pet, then, this would further bolster America's position viz-a-viz oil buyers like India or China. All significant oil producers except Russia would be in the American camp. Also Venezuela has the world's largest oil reserves.
If Venezuela or Iran turn US pets tomorrow, the sanctions would be removed, and then we or anybody wont have any problem importing oil from them due to Muricans. US forced us to stop S400 purchase but we didnt budge and went ahead with it. If today we are agreeing to US demands on Iran oil, US must be helping us somewhere else, most likely our support to Afghans via Chahbahar and screwing Pakis in places China feels the pain, namely cpec. So its all a game of national interests.
 

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I think pakistan must pleaded with China for withdrawal of the technical hold, if that was what was going to get them respite on the LoC.
 

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There are 2 things that India is throwing away by stopping Iranian oil imports:

1. Iran offers oil at a very attractive price, and sometimes even takes care of shipping and insurance. This gives us a better hand while negotiating with other oil exporting nations.

2. There is the geopolitical angle as well.. We have stopped importing oil from Iran and Venezuela... So now we are importing all of our oil from US allies like Saudi, UAE, Iraq.. and also US. This would allow Uncle Sam to pressure us in the future, in case there is a crisis and we are on opposite sides of the fence. If there is regime change in venezuela and Iran in the future, and the regime happens to be an American pet, then, this would further bolster America's position viz-a-viz oil buyers like India or China. All significant oil producers except Russia would be in the American camp. Also Venezuela has the world's largest oil reserves.
Everything has a trade-off. US would pressurize us anyway, as it's many other countries to stop importing from Iran. This along with FATF blacklisting can be a way to extract something more out of it.

Besides, geo-politics is never stagnant. If we stop importing now, doesn't mean we do so forever.

Anyway, we're for a waiver as elections are going on. Post that there will certainly be a price shock in the short term.

With Iran, there is also the Israel angle. Also, with Russia in grips of China, we have to align more with US in the short to medium term.
 

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Everything has a trade-off. US would pressurize us anyway, as it's many other countries to stop importing from Iran. This along with FATF blacklisting can be a way to extract something more out of it.

Besides, geo-politics is never stagnant. If we stop importing now, doesn't mean we do so forever.

Anyway, we're for a waiver as elections are going on. Post that there will certainly be a price shock in the short term.

With Iran, there is also the Israel angle. Also, with Russia in grips of China, we have to align more with US in the short to medium term.
An India-China maneouvre could soon leave World’s Oil powers toothless by to set up a Buyers’ bloc
A high-level representative from China’s National Energy Administration had visited India last week to put the deal on fast track.

The Mint newspaper said in a report that the upcoming buyers’ bloc will bargain collectively on oil supplies. Over time, this joint sourcing mechanism could significantly erode OPEC’s sway on all things oil.
 

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An India-China maneouvre could soon leave World’s Oil powers toothless by to set up a Buyers’ bloc
A high-level representative from China’s National Energy Administration had visited India last week to put the deal on fast track.

The Mint newspaper said in a report that the upcoming buyers’ bloc will bargain collectively on oil supplies. Over time, this joint sourcing mechanism could significantly erode OPEC’s sway on all things oil.
This is the actual Economic reason for Chinese backdown, coz like us, Oil has huge Economic implications for them.
On the other end,talks for this bloc have been going on since last time Crude prices went up few years ago.
 

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Brahma Chellany on NDTV is saying, big 5 minus China taking up Massood Azhar listing at UN is because of Tradeoff by GoI for not retaliating against PAK for their feb 27th misadventure...

I say it is plausible...

If true I fully endorse this....
 

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This is the actual Economic reason for Chinese backdown, coz like us, Oil has huge Economic implications for them.
On the other end,talks for this bloc have been going on since last time Crude prices went up few years ago.
yeah..this will happen now.. The "ASIAN PREMIUM" has to go right back to the mullas bums
 

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Now we all know why Gafoora was all at sea displaying high level of frustration a couple of days ago. One of his trusted weapons was being called out!

Pakistan's secret weapon in the use of Islamic terrorism called out once again!
Yup, DG-ISPR press conference makes sense now...
 

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Brahma Chellany on NDTV is saying, big 5 minus China taking up Massood Azhar listing at UN is because of Tradeoff by GoI for not retaliating against PAK for their feb 27th misadventure...

I say it is plausible...

If true I fully endorse this....
Something missing in that...doesnt work that way with china.

I would say its because china WILL BE EXPOSED BIG in front of global media(apart from the Gobar times) when china finally gives REASON to SUPPORT a GLOBAL TERRORIST wanted by UN
 

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An India-China maneouvre could soon leave World’s Oil powers toothless by to set up a Buyers’ bloc
A high-level representative from China’s National Energy Administration had visited India last week to put the deal on fast track.

The Mint newspaper said in a report that the upcoming buyers’ bloc will bargain collectively on oil supplies. Over time, this joint sourcing mechanism could significantly erode OPEC’s sway on all things oil.
Venezuela issue has to be resolved for this plan to work?
 

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Brahma Chellany on NDTV is saying, big 5 minus China taking up Massood Azhar listing at UN is because of Tradeoff by GoI for not retaliating against PAK for their feb 27th misadventure...

I say it is plausible...

If true I fully endorse this....
What. Yet China took more than a month to come to terms with Masud Azar. Seems foolish conjecture.
 

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Something missing in that...doesnt work that way with china.

I would say its because china WILL BE EXPOSED BIG in front of global media(apart from the Gobar times) when china finally gives REASON to SUPPORT a GLOBAL TERRORIST wanted by UN
Brahma’s statement was not wrt Chinese, rather about others.

It is true that UN discussions started immediately after feb 27th and that too in quick succession after previous attempt.

Argument can be made that India’s escalation was bad for optics for Chinese. The fact that Chinese will not intervene when our forces keep banging pakis will become common knowledge in pak, and may have indirect negative impact on CPEC.
 

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What. Yet China took more than a month to come to terms with Masud Azar. Seems foolish conjecture.
As I keep saying, most of common public do underestimate how long it takes to do proper negotiations among multiple parties.

I know of negotiations between private companies which went on for three years...
 
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