India Strikes Against Pakistani Terrorism 2019

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Off topic, i think when we are decomissioning large numbers of mig 21 and mig 27 single engine fighters which numbers more than 400, we should buy f21 or gripen in large numbers as they are cheaper than Rafael plus they will install their assembly line as well. Tejas is still going to take long time to be inducted in proper numbers.
Where did you get the "400" number? There are only about 4 MiG-21 and 2 MiG-27 squadrons in IAF currently. I don't see the logic in buying Gripen after Tejas Mk II MWF which was revealed this year. Nor do I see any sense in buying a heavily upgraded F-16, no matter what they call it.

The only logical thing is to expedite Tejas program and buy more Rafale in the 110 MMRCA 2.0 program. Dassault official said in this Aero India that they can open a production line for Rafale in India provided the numbers ordered are >100. Makes sense.

If we manage to do the following over the next decade (a big IF), we will be able to reach 42 squadron strength by 2030:-
  1. Induct 83 Tejas Mk1A by 2025.
  2. Thereafter induct Tejas MkII @ 40 per year (possible if you consider that HAL is certain of achieving 24/year in short term and 36/year also if the numbers are there for it).
  3. Induct the remaining Su-30 MKI.
  4. Induct the old MiG-29 that are currently lying mothballed in Russia.
  5. Wrap up the 110 fighter jet deal in Rafale's favour by 2021 and set up a production line in India by 2023 which churns out Rafale at an average rate of 16 /year.
Thereafter, there will be a temporary drop from 2030 onward as Mirage 2000, Jaguar and MiG-29 begin to retire, unless we can induct AMCA by 2030, which we obviously can't. Maybe the Su-57 will be a mature platform by then and we might end up buying it of the shelf. But even in this, your proposition of buying additional Gripen or F-21 does not fit in anywhere.
 

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Its us Indians who are used to such hilarious fail campaigns by porkies, what if some israeli defense analysts are observing these disinformation campaigns against their pilots. They wont sit idle, Mossad has their own share of online trolls who can f**k porkies up or their cyber security
Brace Yourself Indian army ISPR version just confirmed


 

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Contrary to what Paki propaganda was about W Cdr being treated well, he was in fact tortured.

Nothing surprising considering how Pakis are.



Sleep deprived, choked, beaten up: How IAF pilot Abhinandan held off Pak grilling

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/news...t-abhinandan-held-off-pak-grilling/ar-BBUtkbj

Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman staved off Pakistani interrogators trying to extract crucial information on Indian troop deployment, high-security radio frequencies and sensitive logistics during the first 24 hours of his captivity in Pakistan after his MiG-21 Bison was shot down in a dogfight over the Line of Control, according to a senior officer debriefing the 35-year-old fighter pilot.

Varthaman was captured by Pakistani forces after he ejected from his plane when it took a hit on February 27 as Pakistani jets tried to target Indian military installations in the Rajouri sector a day after Indian Mirage-2000 jets bombed a Jaish-e-Mohammed terror camp at Balakot in a cross-border airstrike.

The official, who is part of a team debriefing Varthaman after he walked back into India across the Wagah border on March 1, said the Wing Commander was deprived of sleep, choked and even beaten up by his captors in Pakistan.

During his captivity, Varthaman was made to stand for long hours and subjected to loud music to increase his discomfort, the official said, requesting anonymity.

He added that as Pakistani officers tried to extract information from him about the frequencies that the IAF uses to transmit messages, deployment of fighter jets and logistical arrangements, Varthaman held back.

All Indian fighter pilots are taught to hold back for as long as possible when captured, so that transmitting frequencies and deployments can be changed in the first 24 hours to deny the adversary any advantage, the officer said.

“Wing Commander Abhinandan did exactly that,” the officer said.

At least three to four separate teams comprising a select group of officers are debriefing Wing Commander Varthaman on various aspects of his captivity.

The Indian fighter pilot has been feted as a hero for the dignity he maintained during interrogations by Pakistani officers in videotaped conversations shared on social media. The officer quoted above said the India Air Force officer was constantly moved around. “The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) questioned him, but he was largely in custody of the Pakistan Army,” he said. “There was no medical treatment in the initial hours after ejection. On the contrary, he was made to stand, they played loud music to confuse and increase the discomfort. He was also chocked – a kind of dry waterboarding – and even beaten up,” the officer said. “Pakistan tried to extract information regarding Indian deployment.”

During the 1999 Kargil conflict, Pakistani troops captured Flight Lieutenant Kambampati Nachiketa after his MiG-27 fighter jet was hit by a Stringer missile. He faced severe torture in Pakistani custody before being returned to India eight days later. An official report on his captivity said interrogators fired shots close to his feet to extract information. In Varthaman’s case, however, India’s strategic position globally appears to have helped the case, the official said.

As global diplomatic pressure began mounting, Pakistan’s treatment of Varthaman changed. Apart from Indian diplomatic efforts to build pressure, the US, UK and Saudi Arabia are understood to have spoken to Pakistani authorities following bilateral tensions in the wake of a suicide bombing in Kashmir’s Pulwama that killed 40 troopers of the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) on February 14.

Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Mohammed claimed responsibility for the attack, following which India said the neighbouring country was harbouring terrorists and their supporters.

On the day of the dogfight over the Nowshera sector that led to the downing of Varthaman’s fighter jet, Pakistan also deployed two other packages north of Srinagar and south of Akhnoor, a senior IAF official said on condition of anonymity.

According to the IAF’s initial assessment, Pakistani JF-17s were deployed near Srinagar and a package of Mirage-2000s flew near Akhnoor. “The launch of multiple strike packages was to confuse and tie down our resources,” the senior official aware of the IAF assessment said. The two packages, however, did not cross the LoC, the officer added.

The assessment shows that the Pakistan Air Force fired at least two US-made advanced medium-range air-to-air missiles. The official said that while the missiles, which can be fired only from the US-made F-16 fighter jet, puts India at a disadvantage, the capability to fire Meteor missiles - beyond visual range air-to-air missiles -- would have discouraged the three-pronged attack planned by Pakistan.
 

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Contrary to what Paki propaganda was about W Cdr being treated well, he was in fact tortured.

Nothing surprising considering how Pakis are.



Sleep deprived, choked, beaten up: How IAF pilot Abhinandan held off Pak grilling

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/newsindia/sleep-deprived-choked-beaten-up-how-iaf pilot-abhinandan-held-off-pak-grilling/ar-BBUtkbj


Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman staved off Pakistani interrogators trying to extract crucial information on Indian troop deployment, high-security radio frequencies and sensitive logistics during the first 24 hours of his captivity in Pakistan after his MiG-21 Bison was shot down in a dogfight over the Line of Control, according to a senior officer debriefing the 35-year-old fighter pilot.

Varthaman was captured by Pakistani forces after he ejected from his plane when it took a hit on February 27 as Pakistani jets tried to target Indian military installations in the Rajouri sector a day after Indian Mirage-2000 jets bombed a Jaish-e-Mohammed terror camp at Balakot in a cross-border airstrike.

The official, who is part of a team debriefing Varthaman after he walked back into India across the Wagah border on March 1, said the Wing Commander was deprived of sleep, choked and even beaten up by his captors in Pakistan.

During his captivity, Varthaman was made to stand for long hours and subjected to loud music to increase his discomfort, the official said, requesting anonymity.

He added that as Pakistani officers tried to extract information from him about the frequencies that the IAF uses to transmit messages, deployment of fighter jets and logistical arrangements, Varthaman held back.

All Indian fighter pilots are taught to hold back for as long as possible when captured, so that transmitting frequencies and deployments can be changed in the first 24 hours to deny the adversary any advantage, the officer said.

“Wing Commander Abhinandan did exactly that,” the officer said.

At least three to four separate teams comprising a select group of officers are debriefing Wing Commander Varthaman on various aspects of his captivity.

The Indian fighter pilot has been feted as a hero for the dignity he maintained during interrogations by Pakistani officers in videotaped conversations shared on social media. The officer quoted above said the India Air Force officer was constantly moved around. “The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) questioned him, but he was largely in custody of the Pakistan Army,” he said. “There was no medical treatment in the initial hours after ejection. On the contrary, he was made to stand, they played loud music to confuse and increase the discomfort. He was also chocked – a kind of dry waterboarding – and even beaten up,” the officer said. “Pakistan tried to extract information regarding Indian deployment.”

During the 1999 Kargil conflict, Pakistani troops captured Flight Lieutenant Kambampati Nachiketa after his MiG-27 fighter jet was hit by a Stringer missile. He faced severe torture in Pakistani custody before being returned to India eight days later. An official report on his captivity said interrogators fired shots close to his feet to extract information. In Varthaman’s case, however, India’s strategic position globally appears to have helped the case, the official said.

As global diplomatic pressure began mounting, Pakistan’s treatment of Varthaman changed. Apart from Indian diplomatic efforts to build pressure, the US, UK and Saudi Arabia are understood to have spoken to Pakistani authorities following bilateral tensions in the wake of a suicide bombing in Kashmir’s Pulwama that killed 40 troopers of the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) on February 14.

Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Mohammed claimed responsibility for the attack, following which India said the neighbouring country was harbouring terrorists and their supporters.

On the day of the dogfight over the Nowshera sector that led to the downing of Varthaman’s fighter jet, Pakistan also deployed two other packages north of Srinagar and south of Akhnoor, a senior IAF official said on condition of anonymity.

According to the IAF’s initial assessment, Pakistani JF-17s were deployed near Srinagar and a package of Mirage-2000s flew near Akhnoor. “The launch of multiple strike packages was to confuse and tie down our resources,” the senior official aware of the IAF assessment said. The two packages, however, did not cross the LoC, the officer added.

The assessment shows that the Pakistan Air Force fired at least two US-made advanced medium-range air-to-air missiles. The official said that while the missiles, which can be fired only from the US-made F-16 fighter jet, puts India at a disadvantage, the capability to fire Meteor missiles - beyond visual range air-to-air missiles -- would have discouraged the three-pronged attack planned by Pakistan.
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SUPER EXCLUSIVE: Pakistan Asked Wing Commander Abhinandan How He Shot Down The F-16; Details Of IAF Hero's Debriefing Busting The Pak F-16 Lie Accessed
While Pakistan has been brazenly denying using the F-16 fighter aircraft by its Air Force in an attempt to attack India's military bases in J&K's Nowshera on February 27, which was successfully retaliated by Indian Air Force, Republic TV on Thursday accessed exclusive details of the IAF debriefing of Wing Commander Abhinandan which confirms that Pak officers asked questions about the F-16 plane to the IAF pilot.

Wing Commander Abhinandan returned from Pakistan to India on March 1, two days after accomplishing an extraordinary feat in the skies above Lam Valley in J&K's Nowshera.

Inside sources have revealed that during the debriefing by IAF team, Wing Commander Abhinandan stated that a senior Pak AF officer took details of his manoeuvres that led to the downing of the F-16 fighter plane - which seemingly confirms that Pakistan has been lying that its Air Force did not use the F-16 during the attack on India.

https://www.republicworld.com/india...-debriefing-busting-the-pak-f-16-lie-accessed


paki Gafooorraaaaaaaaaaaaaa :basanti:... kyun mujra kar rahe ho Gafoorraaa
 

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All counter with facts for paki lies will trickle out..slowwwwly but steadily.

Whoever is watching paki media lately (past few hours) will know that..their MEDIA is now putting news which contradicts their own lies....especially one particular online paki media outlet....including the headlines..
I thought it was a click bait...but no..they are putting news.. Indian version..without TWIST

well who got em by their non existent balls?
 

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All counter with facts for paki lies will trickle out..slowwwwly but steadily.

Whoever is watching paki media lately (past few hours) will know that..their MEDIA is now putting news which contradicts their own lies....especially one particular online paki media outlet....including the headlines..
I thought it was a click bait...but no..they are putting news.. Indian version..without TWIST

well who got em by their non existent balls?
Please elaborate here. Don't want to give traffic to Porki media.
 

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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...inute-1472548-2019-03-07?ch=10&share=a2750468

Anatomy of a Dogfight

9:52 AM: Indian Air Force's Netra surveillance drone and the Northern Air Command detect 10 F-16s taking off three airbases in Pakistan. The F-16s fly in three separate formations. They merge into a single formation after entering Paksitan-occupied Kashmir (PoK).

9:54 AM: Indian Air Force swings into action. IAF's MiG 21 Bisons, Sukhoi Su-30MKIs and Mirage 2000s are scrambled to intercept the incoming Pakistani fighter jets.

9.58 AM: India sounds an alert and sends out a message to the Pakistani fighters asking them to go back.

9.59 AM: As per protocol, India sounds second alert and sends another message asking the Pakistani jets to go back.

10:00 AM: The Pakistan Air Force fighter jets enter Indian airspace.

10:01 AM: Indian Air Force jets respond with full force and engage the F-16s. The F-16s are also targetted by surface-to-air missiles (SAMs). The response forces nine PAF F-16s to return after intruding just a kilometre into Indian territory.

10:02 AM: One F-16 manages to enter deep inside Indian territory. The jet targets an oil depot and an ammunition point in a military zone and tries to attack an Indian Army brigade headquarters.

10:03 AM: One Indian Air Force Sukhoi Su-30 and one MiG-21 Bison engage this F-16 in a dogfight manoeuvre called "defensive split". The two Indian jets trap the Pakistani jet in between them -- the MiG 21 flies in front while the Su-30 chases the F-16 from behind, firing at it. The F-16 is forced to flee using a dog fight manoeuvre called "wingover".

10:04 AM: The Su-16 stops chasing the F-16 and hovers around the oil field in order to guard it. The MiG-21 Bison, being flown by Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, gives the F-16 chase. The F-16 is flying out of territory and Wing Commander Abhinandan 'locks' F-16 with an R-73 air-to-air missile.

10:08 AM: Wing Commander Abhinandan fires his R73 missile and successfully hits the F-16, bringing it down. Abhinandan performs a dangerous manoeuvre called "high-g barrel roll". He is in the range of Pakistani surface to air artillery and surface to air missiles (SAM). Either a SAM or air artillery hits the MiG-21. Abhinandan ejects.
 

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Contrary to what Paki propaganda was about W Cdr being treated well, he was in fact tortured.

Nothing surprising considering how Pakis are.



Sleep deprived, choked, beaten up: How IAF pilot Abhinandan held off Pak grilling

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/newsindia/sleep-deprived-choked-beaten-up-how-iaf pilot-abhinandan-held-off-pak-grilling/ar-BBUtkbj


Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman staved off Pakistani interrogators trying to extract crucial information on Indian troop deployment, high-security radio frequencies and sensitive logistics during the first 24 hours of his captivity in Pakistan after his MiG-21 Bison was shot down in a dogfight over the Line of Control, according to a senior officer debriefing the 35-year-old fighter pilot.

Varthaman was captured by Pakistani forces after he ejected from his plane when it took a hit on February 27 as Pakistani jets tried to target Indian military installations in the Rajouri sector a day after Indian Mirage-2000 jets bombed a Jaish-e-Mohammed terror camp at Balakot in a cross-border airstrike.

The official, who is part of a team debriefing Varthaman after he walked back into India across the Wagah border on March 1, said the Wing Commander was deprived of sleep, choked and even beaten up by his captors in Pakistan.

During his captivity, Varthaman was made to stand for long hours and subjected to loud music to increase his discomfort, the official said, requesting anonymity.

He added that as Pakistani officers tried to extract information from him about the frequencies that the IAF uses to transmit messages, deployment of fighter jets and logistical arrangements, Varthaman held back.

All Indian fighter pilots are taught to hold back for as long as possible when captured, so that transmitting frequencies and deployments can be changed in the first 24 hours to deny the adversary any advantage, the officer said.

“Wing Commander Abhinandan did exactly that,” the officer said.

At least three to four separate teams comprising a select group of officers are debriefing Wing Commander Varthaman on various aspects of his captivity.

The Indian fighter pilot has been feted as a hero for the dignity he maintained during interrogations by Pakistani officers in videotaped conversations shared on social media. The officer quoted above said the India Air Force officer was constantly moved around. “The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) questioned him, but he was largely in custody of the Pakistan Army,” he said. “There was no medical treatment in the initial hours after ejection. On the contrary, he was made to stand, they played loud music to confuse and increase the discomfort. He was also chocked – a kind of dry waterboarding – and even beaten up,” the officer said. “Pakistan tried to extract information regarding Indian deployment.”

During the 1999 Kargil conflict, Pakistani troops captured Flight Lieutenant Kambampati Nachiketa after his MiG-27 fighter jet was hit by a Stringer missile. He faced severe torture in Pakistani custody before being returned to India eight days later. An official report on his captivity said interrogators fired shots close to his feet to extract information. In Varthaman’s case, however, India’s strategic position globally appears to have helped the case, the official said.

As global diplomatic pressure began mounting, Pakistan’s treatment of Varthaman changed. Apart from Indian diplomatic efforts to build pressure, the US, UK and Saudi Arabia are understood to have spoken to Pakistani authorities following bilateral tensions in the wake of a suicide bombing in Kashmir’s Pulwama that killed 40 troopers of the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) on February 14.

Pakistan-based Jaish-e-Mohammed claimed responsibility for the attack, following which India said the neighbouring country was harbouring terrorists and their supporters.

On the day of the dogfight over the Nowshera sector that led to the downing of Varthaman’s fighter jet, Pakistan also deployed two other packages north of Srinagar and south of Akhnoor, a senior IAF official said on condition of anonymity.

According to the IAF’s initial assessment, Pakistani JF-17s were deployed near Srinagar and a package of Mirage-2000s flew near Akhnoor. “The launch of multiple strike packages was to confuse and tie down our resources,” the senior official aware of the IAF assessment said. The two packages, however, did not cross the LoC, the officer added.

The assessment shows that the Pakistan Air Force fired at least two US-made advanced medium-range air-to-air missiles. The official said that while the missiles, which can be fired only from the US-made F-16 fighter jet, puts India at a disadvantage, the capability to fire Meteor missiles - beyond visual range air-to-air missiles -- would have discouraged the three-pronged attack planned by Pakistan.
And not to mention Pakis deprived a Madrasi boy his idli/dosa for a full 48 hours!!!
Abhi must have created a riot just for that :) :)
Imran, Ghafoora and co must have said "I can't work on this grinder any more.....just send him back"
 
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as far I know there was only 4 MKI's and 2 Mirage-2000 was there also

And MIrage has MICA best known WVRA on planet What were they doing ???
Same thing that Su 30 was doing. Taking evasive maneuvers to avoid missile hit. F16 radar might have had radar lock on on any of those aircraft. Note that - we dont have MAWS , all our aircraft is only equipped with RWR. In this RWR must be blaring with 'Radar lock' & the moment they hear this warning , hell breaks loose. All the aircraft will undertake evasive maneuvers.

Hence the importance of long range , aircraft which has the longest range will take the first shot. The reactive aircraft will be in defensive position from there on. Rafale will be game changer in that sense.
 

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Here's another asshole JNU product defaming India in international media.....
In the entire article there's not one word about terrorism against India or the Pulwama attack.....but he goes on to ridicule Modi and every Indian who, at long last, is seeking justice

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-07/are-india-s-think-tanks-promoting-conflict-with-
pakistan


India has won the diplomatic war in a big way...Pakistan is clearly isolated. But the fifth column in India and India haters all over the world have definitely painted India in a very poor light.

I can see that all Indians are piqued by this; but I can assure you that no one in the West really reads those articles! Those who dig into the section that carries those articles are already well aware of India-Pak relations....their minds are already made up!
 
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Here's another asshole JNU product defaming India in international media.....
In the entire article there's not one word about terrorism against India or the Pulwama attack.....but he goes on to ridicule Modi and every Indian who, at long last, is seeking justice

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-07/are-india-s-think-tanks-promoting-conflict-with-
pakistan


India has won the diplomatic war in a big way...Pakistan is clearly isolated. But the fifth column in India and India haters all over the world have definitely painted India in a very poor light.

I can see that all Indians are piqued by this; but I can assure you that no one in the West really reads those articles! Those who dig into the section that carries those articles are already well aware of India-Pak relations....their minds are already made up!
Pankaj Mishra is a known baiter ! Just look at this history of articles. He had something similar for URI strikes as well. Absolutely hates Modi to the core. The sad part is , their Modi hatred is coloring the journalistic lens
 

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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...inute-1472548-2019-03-07?ch=10&share=a2750468

Anatomy of a Dogfight

9:52 AM: Indian Air Force's Netra surveillance drone and the Northern Air Command detect 10 F-16s taking off three airbases in Pakistan. The F-16s fly in three separate formations. They merge into a single formation after entering Paksitan-occupied Kashmir (PoK).

9:54 AM: Indian Air Force swings into action. IAF's MiG 21 Bisons, Sukhoi Su-30MKIs and Mirage 2000s are scrambled to intercept the incoming Pakistani fighter jets.

9.58 AM: India sounds an alert and sends out a message to the Pakistani fighters asking them to go back.

9.59 AM: As per protocol, India sounds second alert and sends another message asking the Pakistani jets to go back.

10:00 AM: The Pakistan Air Force fighter jets enter Indian airspace.

10:01 AM: Indian Air Force jets respond with full force and engage the F-16s. The F-16s are also targetted by surface-to-air missiles (SAMs). The response forces nine PAF F-16s to return after intruding just a kilometre into Indian territory.

10:02 AM: One F-16 manages to enter deep inside Indian territory. The jet targets an oil depot and an ammunition point in a military zone and tries to attack an Indian Army brigade headquarters.

10:03 AM: One Indian Air Force Sukhoi Su-30 and one MiG-21 Bison engage this F-16 in a dogfight manoeuvre called "defensive split". The two Indian jets trap the Pakistani jet in between them -- the MiG 21 flies in front while the Su-30 chases the F-16 from behind, firing at it. The F-16 is forced to flee using a dog fight manoeuvre called "wingover".

10:04 AM: The Su-16 stops chasing the F-16 and hovers around the oil field in order to guard it. The MiG-21 Bison, being flown by Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman, gives the F-16 chase. The F-16 is flying out of territory and Wing Commander Abhinandan 'locks' F-16 with an R-73 air-to-air missile.

10:08 AM: Wing Commander Abhinandan fires his R73 missile and successfully hits the F-16, bringing it down. Abhinandan performs a dangerous manoeuvre called "high-g barrel roll". He is in the range of Pakistani surface to air artillery and surface to air missiles (SAM). Either a SAM or air artillery hits the MiG-21. Abhinandan ejects.
If this is true, then we have recordings of Mig21, f-16 and Su30 dogfight from Su - 30 MKI cockpit. If govt. releases the footage, or even a pic of our jets chasing f-16, that will spill water over Pakistani lies and propaganda, and hopefully also shut up international media's like BBC, Sputnik etc. from peddling Pakistani lies.
 
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