India Strikes Against Pakistani Terrorism 2019

[Kshatriya87]

Something is severely spooking them. Don't know what. Do they have some credible info on any upcoming Indian action against them? Or arethey just spooked by Modi's pilot project comment.?

 

[WARREN SS]

Nope, what Wing Co. did was the only thing any respectable air warrior should have done. Pukis were the aggressors, they fired 4-5 Aim, shot at MKIs, shot at his wingman. Had Wing Co. not fired his missile, this whole thing would have been embarrassing. He went in, he took revenge for the Puki's audacity, shot one up their tail pipe and got shot. For him, the choice was broken bones (bones heal) or death VS life long guilt of not doing anything when it counted the most. With one of their finest birds shot to shit at over 20K feet, 2 pilots down, MKI's evading the Aims, gave Pukis a reality check, while BVR is nice, the IAF will still fuck with you and can be a lot more audacious in it's motivation. Wing Co. not only kept Paltan ki Izzat, he as said will sleep peacefully all his life recalling exactly how he gambled with death to gain glory.

The only plausible reason why all other IAF MRCAs airborne in that area were directed NOT TO engage those AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM-armed PAF F-16s orbiting over PoK was because the latter was maintaining a 10 km distance from the LoC (as per the 1989 bilateral agreement on confidence-building measures between India and Pakistan). In retrospect, this appears to be a wrong interpretation of the 1989 bilateral agreement, which in turn led to a flawed rules of engagement put in motion by the IAF.

When it comes to self-protection, the IAF adheres to the practice of one of every two airborne MRCAs (the lead aircraft and the wingman) being equipped with the EL/L-8222 jamming pod. Consequently, the aircraft not equipped with this pod must always be within the effective jamming envelope of the second aircraft carrying this pod. Hence, while the Su-30MKIs equipped with EL/L-8222 maintained formation and were thus protected from inbound AIM-120C-5 AMRAAMs (which have 70km max range), the two-unit MiG-21 Bison flight somehow broke-up, which in turn led to the MiG-21 Bison flown by Wg Cdr Abhinandan being left defenceless against any type of inbound BVRAAM.

 

[afako]

Trump speaks rubbish at times. He hates liberandus and yes, he was quite effective in exposing and dealing with them. But he sill speaks dumb certain times. Not at all like the so called 'Leader of the Free world'. But,we enjoy his speeches.
Particularly, I love his 'Fake News' liners. Wish Modi uses something like that with ref 2 NDTV and co.

He is very ass smart. Remember he is a self made billionaire. He had no motivation to become the president. He could live life relaxing with his family. He has no shortage of anything in life, Money, material wants and women.

Still he became president on his own efforts. He speaks anything which is thought of beforehand. He says stupid to keep the stupid liberals busy in that while he does want he wants.

 

[S.A.T.A]

I suspect they will be in this state of paranoia until election day. They more than expect Modi to pull another surprise and don't want to let the guard down. On the bright side people working in the aviation sector in pakistan must be enjoying all the working holidays.

 

[WARREN SS]

What they have done is give away their Tactics , very early

They will rely on swarm attacks
In diving mode and
Use Bait to Ambush our planes

Also shy away from WVR com bat

There are only two plausible reasons why the PAF preferred to use BVRAAMs instead of SRAAMs for this aerial engagement:
1) The PAF was unsure whether or not the IAF’s Su-30MKIs equipped with IRST sensors would join the battle (if they were to, then they would have easily had the upper hand since they can cruise at higher altitudes from where the R-73E SRAAM/Sura-1 HMDS combination can be used with devastating effect);

2) The PAF, devoid of all-aspect SRAAMs that can be guided wide off-boresight by the Joint Helmet-Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS), was extremely vary of initiating within-visual-range engagements due to the guaranteed and combat-proven lethality and superior engagement envelope of the R-73E SRAAM/Sura-1 HMDS combination found in the MiG-21 Bison and Su-30MKI.

 

[afako]

I suspect they will be in this state of paranoia until election day. They more than expect Modi to pull another surprise and don't want to let the guard down. On the bright side people working in the aviation sector in pakistan must be enjoying all the working holidays.

This is the first time in my existence that Pakis are playing in our narrative and game, all the while they think they own the game.

Cheers to Modi.

 

[Arihant Roy]

The only plausible reason why all other IAF MRCAs airborne in that area were directed NOT TO engage those AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM-armed PAF F-16s orbiting over PoK was because the latter was maintaining a 10 km distance from the LoC (as per the 1989 bilateral agreement on confidence-building measures between India and Pakistan). In retrospect, this appears to be a wrong interpretation of the 1989 bilateral agreement, which in turn led to a flawed rules of engagement put in motion by the IAF.

When it comes to self-protection, the IAF adheres to the practice of one of every two airborne MRCAs (the lead aircraft and the wingman) being equipped with the EL/L-8222 jamming pod. Consequently, the aircraft not equipped with this pod must always be within the effective jamming envelope of the second aircraft carrying this pod. Hence, while the Su-30MKIs equipped with EL/L-8222 maintained formation and were thus protected from inbound AIM-120C-5 AMRAAMs (which have 70km max range), the two-unit MiG-21 Bison flight somehow broke-up, which in turn led to the MiG-21 Bison flown by Wg Cdr Abhinandan being left defenceless against any type of inbound BVRAAM.

Pls don't post Prasun Sengupta's narrative. Most of the time he pulls out stuff from his rear.

 

[WARREN SS]

Pls don't post Prasun Sengupta's narrative. Most of the time he pulls out stuff from his rear.

But His narrative is more Suited to the narration rather media BS

And Actual turns of events

Why BVRAAM are not fired from Indian MKI's after 4-5 AMRAAMs from PAF formations Even after Mig-21 Shot down

Usually Mig-21 are not used for normal CAP Role But MKI's and Mig-29
Mig-21 plays in Escort role

 

[Spindrift]

Baba ji on fire! Go Baba Ji!


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[aarav]

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[Butter Chicken]

We should pound LoC for a couple of months and then get ready for some land grabbing- one post at a time

 

[Srinivas_K]

Porkis were not prepared. IAF was definitely taken by surprise as they expected porkis to retaliate in a few days. Not that very night.

Airforce pilots always do these drills in peace time simulating the enemy positions. It is no apt in saying they are not prepared.

The attacker always has the initiative. Only reason bisons are on the air quickly is because bisons are quick to scramble than Sukhois or mirages.

 

[jackle007]

Few findings in before and after images of balakot strikes.

 

[WARREN SS]

The government on Tuesday approved nearly Rs8 billion supplementary budget to meet additional needs of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) and civilian armed forces, seeking financial assessment of further defence needs of the country in wake of tensions with India.



The Economic Coordination Committee (ECC) of the cabinet approved the additional budget for the PAF and management of western borders by civil-armed forces, said the Finance Ministry officials.

It has been decided to give around Rs8 billion for various purposes and nearly half of it would go to the PAF. The remaining amount is being approved for the Pakistan Rangers, civil armed forces and to pay to banks for marketing Pakistan Banao Certificates (PBC).


Govt takes steps to meet PAF's requirements

 

[tarunraju]

Modi is bleeding pakistan just by deployment. Of the $20 billion Saudis pledged to invest, the Paki economy must have already lost $3-4 billion.

India is a $3 trillion economy ($11 trillion PPP) and can afford this deployment. Pakis can't.

 

[SanjeevM]

We need to grab some posts and push LOC to the west in some of the sectors where possible. Pakistan should lose land also only then they will realize cost of their misadventures.

 

[Abhijeet Dey]

We need to grab some posts and push LOC to the west in some of the sectors where possible. Pakistan should lose land also only then they will realize cost of their misadventures.

LOC aside, are there any strategic positions across the IB (International border) which can be taken by Indian forces? I mean Gujarat, Rajasthan and Punjab borders?

 

[Bleh]

LOC aside, are there any strategic positions across the IB (International border) which can be taken by Indian forces? I mean Gujarat, Rajasthan and Punjab borders?

All flat lands, there's a projected part of Pakistan at Jammu sector & at Punjab.

 

[S.A.T.A]

We need to grab some posts and push LOC to the west in some of the sectors where possible. Pakistan should lose land also only then they will realize cost of their misadventures.

You are absolutely correct. If India is serious about imposing punitive cost on pakistan, then there no better option than making them lose some territory. Gen. Musharaff also had realized this hence the kargil operation. His only mistake was that he planed the ops as if he was the Indian COAS and his adversary was pakistan. India can sustain a kargil like ops, but Pakistan cannot.

 

[Kazah]

Are you a paki fanboy doing madrasa propoganda? Mi17 crashed 80-100 km inside LOC at Budgam.....which manpad can do this? Seriously your propoganda might work with retarded jihadi paki fanboys, not on any defence forum! All your posts are paki propoganda..... Now get lost paki!

i saw the crash pics, it had a giant hole in the back.....and dont call me paki