India should recognize Tibetan freedom for its own good.

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Guys, according to the news link I gave, the Chinese army itself is training these terrorists:

Ulfa leaders held, admit China link- Hindustan Times

Quote: Sources said Chinese official agencies like the army were helping Baruah, not only on Chinese territory but also in Myanmar.
Why does it turns to an unnamed senior official when talking about china's involvement? Is it just rumor or some wild guess?

After watching how india media turns the myth "Nehru offer UNSC seat to china" into "fact", india media is just as bad as chinese media in my eyes. So, please provide something from THIRD PARTIES!
 

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Why does it turns to an unnamed senior official when talking about china's involvement? Is it just rumor or some wild guess?

After watching how india media turns the myth "Nehru offer UNSC seat to china" into "fact", india media is just as bad as chinese media in my eyes. So, please provide something from THIRD PARTIES!
Well, I think the title of this thread should be changed to India should take Tibet as an integral part of big India to match to the ideal status of Tibet in some Indian friend's mind.:india:
 

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Third party source: 'Paresh Baruah has base in China': ULFA chief demands referendum : 13th dec09 ~ E-Pao! Headlines

Quote: The government has received definite information from intelligence agencies that Chinese agencies have helped Baruah set up base in China's Yunnan province bordering Myanmar.

Sources in the home ministry had earlier confirmed that Baruah was based in Kachin province of Myanmar, very close to Yunnan.

The Chinese agencies, in fact, are said to have used the ongoing conflict and lawlessness in northern Myanmar to help Baruah set up base in the region.

"The information has left no doubt that Chinese agencies are creating space for him in the region to carry out his activities," said a highly placed government official, adding that Baruah was now mostly based on the Chinese side of the border even though he frequents northern Myanmar.

That Baruah might have sneaked into China has been a subject of intense speculation in the recent past.

Now, however, there is corroboration by intelligence agencies that Baruah has not just entered Chinese territory but is also being helped by the Chinese to carry out his activities.



Here is the link to the video showing the confession report of ULFA terrorist leader:

ULFA confesses to link with China-News-Exclusives-TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos
 

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Third party source: 'Paresh Baruah has base in China': ULFA chief demands referendum : 13th dec09 ~ E-Pao! Headlines

Quote: The government has received definite information from intelligence agencies that Chinese agencies have helped Baruah set up base in China's Yunnan province bordering Myanmar.

Sources in the home ministry had earlier confirmed that Baruah was based in Kachin province of Myanmar, very close to Yunnan.

The Chinese agencies, in fact, are said to have used the ongoing conflict and lawlessness in northern Myanmar to help Baruah set up base in the region.

"The information has left no doubt that Chinese agencies are creating space for him in the region to carry out his activities," said a highly placed government official, adding that Baruah was now mostly based on the Chinese side of the border even though he frequents northern Myanmar.

That Baruah might have sneaked into China has been a subject of intense speculation in the recent past.

Now, however, there is corroboration by intelligence agencies that Baruah has not just entered Chinese territory but is also being helped by the Chinese to carry out his activities.
A story from an india journalist and an unnamed gov official AGAIN?

Please provide sth confirmed by foreign intellegence instead of some mysterious unknown indian official. Doesn't these indian senior official have no gut to tell their name? Or they are just not sure about what they are talking about?
 

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Well, I think the title of this thread should be changed to India should take Tibet as an integral part of big India to match to the ideal status of Tibet in some Indian friend's mind.:india:
Nope. I am not suggesting taking over any territory, the way China invaded Tibet, or the brutal Chinese rule in Xinjiang.

I am suggesting supplying the weapons (guns, anti-tank missiles, anti-aircraft missiles, grenade launchers, etc) to the people of Tibet and Xinjiang so that they can free themselves from the brutal imperialist Chinese Communist rule, the same way that the United States supplied weapons to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to remove the Russians from there. It would benefit India greatly if it did not share a border with China, but instead with 2 democratic nations (with elected governments).

Now that we know that China has been arming terrorists in India to destabilize India, it's only fair that we arm the people in Tibet and Xinjiang so that they can free themselves from Chinese Communist imperialist rule.
 

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Nope. I am not suggesting taking over any territory, the way China invaded Tibet, or the brutal Chinese rule in Xinjiang.

I am suggesting supplying the weapons (guns, anti-tank missiles, anti-aircraft missiles, grenade launchers, etc) to the people of Tibet and Xinjiang so that they can free themselves from the brutal imperialist Chinese Communist rule, the same way that the United States supplied weapons to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to remove the Russians from there. It would benefit India greatly if it did not share a border with China, but instead with 2 democratic nations (with elected governments).

Now that we know that China has been arming terrorists in India to destabilize India, it's only fair that we arm the people in Tibet and Xinjiang so that they can free themselves from Chinese Communist imperialist rule.
Two democratic neighbors? What impression do you have in your head about Tibetans and Uighurs that makes you believe they'll revert to democracy if given freedom. Turkmenistan (Turk/Uighur people) are under one of the most oppresive regimes in the world, and Tibetans have operated under a religious feudal system, emphesizing serfdom.
 

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Here is the link to the video showing the confession report of ULFA terrorist leader
(in which he confesses that the Chinese army has been supporting terrorism in India): ULFA confesses to link with China-News-Exclusives-TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos
Sorry Johng, I cannot see the difference between this viedo and previous report. All the words we see and here are from india journalists.

What i am asked for is the report from a thrid party: US, UK, Russia or even Bangaladish, etc.
 

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And this is different from India allowing the CIA to launch an insurgent action against China in Tibet how?

Oh grow the freak up! The Chinese turned a blind eye, just like India did ... and India currently doing with the Tibetan riots!
 

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I find it completely nicompoo that you all are willing to turn a blind eye and then go ballastic when someone else does.

Has it occurred to any of you that both China and India wants to control the border if for no other reason than to stop the drug trade?

India made a hoopla about Chinese border police shooting supposedely Tibetan refugees. Has it occured to ANY of you that these freaks were transporting coccain?

India is not snow white. Don't any of you try to pretend otherwise. Because the world certainly don't believe so and don't treat India as such. Either you are a power or you are snow white ... NOTHING IN BETWEEN!
 

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Guys, I found this great website to check which websites are not accessible to common people in China: Great Firewall of China | Search

Check Defence Forum of India, and you will not find any matches. That means that there are just a whole lotta people working for the Communist government of China here (some with Chinese id's, some with other id's), but no common Chinese citizens. No wonder these guys try so hard with their version of the truth, while always trying to discredit Indian media. LOL
 

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And that stops your own research how?

Good God, are you this much of an nicompoo that you don't do your own research but rely on forum posts and blogs?
 

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Democracy sleeps.

Totalitarian regimes whip all into action!
I don't completely agree. I think India is still a relatively young democracy. Moreover, the great number of problems (poverty,corruption, religious conflict, wars) that India has had to deal with has taken its toll. We inherited a lot of systematic problems from the British also.

I think a good example of a successful democracy (at least in terms of national defence, most of the time) is the US. Afghanistan is nowhere near the American borders, yet the US supplied weapons to the Mujahideen to weaken the Soviet empire, and it worked (ofcourse it was short-sighted of them to not finish the job of fully implementing democracy in Afghanistan, but that's another story). The US cares only about its self-interest; and this is one lesson India needs to learn.

I believe that at least strategically, India would've benefited from providing weapons and training to the people of Tibet and Xinjiang for their independence movements, for the following reasons:

1) India would've had nothing to lose by doing so. China is already planning a military campaign against India (otherwise they would not have started calling Arunachal Pradesh Southern Tibet).

2) It would've slowed down the Chinese plans for a military takeover of Indian border areas, as they would've been busy fighting the independence movements.

3) Even when the Chinese did attack, the rebels could've cut off their supply lines (and this is much easier to do via asymmetrical warfare from behind enemy lines in the Himalayan terrain of these regions, than it is for conventional military weapons like fighter jets).

4) Were the revolutions to succeed, with the Dalai Lama having friendly relations with India for so long, India would've had a friendly neighbor in the north. And since the Dalai Lama is pro-democracy, independent Tibet would've been a democracy similar to Bhutan. The only wild-card would be the Uighurs, but it's doubtful they would be nearly as bad as the Chinese.

Anyhow, I thought I'd just explain the method behind my mad strategy. LOL

Unfortunately our government does not have the wherewithal to carry it out, plus the reality on the ground is very different.
 

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Guys, I found this great website to check which websites are not accessible to common people in China: Great Firewall of China | Search

Check Defence Forum of India, and you will not find any matches. That means that there are just a whole lotta people working for the Communist government of China here (some with Chinese id's, some with other id's), but no common Chinese citizens. No wonder these guys try so hard with their version of the truth, while always trying to discredit Indian media. LOL
That is funny because i am checking the DFI from my parents' home in Beijing now. As an unemployed australian citizen, why I have never received the paycheck from CCP?

Mr Johng is using the same debate strategy as the red guards member in cultural revolustion: if you don't agree with him, you must be traitor or spy.
 

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And this is different from India allowing the CIA to launch an insurgent action against China in Tibet how?

Oh grow the freak up! The Chinese turned a blind eye, just like India did ... and India currently doing with the Tibetan riots!
Thank you, Sir.

Now we have a neutral and qualified witness to tell the truth: india is as evil as china. Let's see what indian friends reponse to this. Or they just turn a blind eye to your words.
 

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As an unemployed australian citizen, why I have never received the paycheck from CCP?
Then why the Chinese flag?

Your loyalty should be to Australia.
 

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And this is different from India allowing the CIA to launch an insurgent action against China in Tibet how?

Oh grow the freak up! The Chinese turned a blind eye, just like India did ... and India currently doing with the Tibetan riots!
It would be incorrect to feel that India has anything to with Tibetan rioting.
 

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The Tibetan rioting is more an act of desperation than anything else. They don't have the weapons, so they cannot attack the PLA soldiers. And the PLA has been arresting and imprisoning Tibetans, and then taking over their property and selling it to Han Chinese. So more and more Han Chinese are moving to Tibet and taking over Tibetan people's homes and shops, and land. The rioting Tibetans were burning these shops and beating the Han Chinese, because that is all they can do (because they don't have guns): If they were to try to attack the PLA soldiers with knives, they would just be easy targets. If they had the weapons, then the Tibetans could conduct military strikes against the PLA (which has massacred/imprisoned their friends and relatives over the past several decades).
 

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And this is different from India allowing the CIA to launch an insurgent action against China in Tibet how?
The CIA's war was their own, Indian govt had nothing to do with it. The Americans airdropped supplies to Tibetan camps located in Nepal. And since China illegally invaded Tibet, forced the Tibetan govt out and massacred and imprisoned Tibetans, it was justified. Besides, the Tibetans were not targeting civilians, but just Chinese army.

On the other hand, the ULFA terrorists armed and trained by China are killing innocent people, as are the Lashkar terrorists that are supported by China in the United Nations. In response the least India can do is supply weapons to Tibetans and Uighurs for military strikes against the Chinese army and Chinese military infrastructure. It would also benefit India in that Chinese army would be more pre-occupied with dealing with these rebels, and thus less likely to be able to successfully launch military strikes into Arunachal, Ladakh, and Sikkim.
 

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