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And what credible sources do you have to substantiate your claim?Marcos are nowhere near Indian Para let alone Spetsnaz and Seals.
And what credible sources do you have to substantiate your claim?Marcos are nowhere near Indian Para let alone Spetsnaz and Seals.
Yes, there is google for you. Go figure.And what credible sources do you have to substantiate your claim?
Sir, I would have to highly disagree with you. Infact I can say with a certainty you are dead wrong.Marcos are nowhere near Indian Para let alone Spetsnaz and Seals.
First off, Please don't address me as sir.Sir, I would have to highly disagree with you. Infact I can say with a certainty you are dead wrong.
In the 80's and 90's MARCOS (or MCF then) was one of the only 3 Naval SOF units that could Para Jump into the ocean with a Full combat load. While the initial MARCOS training, build up and ethos come directly from SEALs and RMC. They have moved WAY beyond that in the past 2 decades. MARCOS has operated in India, Sri Lanka, Africa with significant distinction. One day if we ever meet, you buy me a beer and ill tell you some stories of MARCOS that would make your year i promise you.
SEALS are nice and good as long as they have their Air Assets and GunShip Support. MARCOS do the same job the extreme
And no a GOOGLE will not help you on this one. MARCOS is one of the biggest black boxes in the Indian Military. That along with TSD and SG
Lastly What do you mean by Spetznaz? Which of the below Spetz units are you referring to be better than MARCOS? And Why?
- Soviet (Russian) Ministry of Defence special forces:
- Spetsnaz GRU units (under GRU, later the Russian Ground Forces)
- Naval Spetsnaz units (Russian Navy)
- 45th Guards Spetsnaz Brigade (Russian Airborne Troops)
- State security (KGB-FSB) special forces:
- Special Operations Center (TsSN): A, B, Special Purpose Service
- Regional FSB special forces
- Zaslon (belonging to Foreign Intelligence Service)
- Special Purpose Regiment (Kremlin Regiment)
- Border Troops special units
- Former Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) special forces, which from 2016 report as part of the National Guard of Russia, including the National Guard Forces Command:
- Internal Troops' Division of Operational Purpose (OMSDON-ODON) and OBRON
- Rus and Vityaz (merged into the 604th Special Purpose Center)
- Other Internal Troops special units
- Militsiya/Politsiya special forces (OMON, SOBR-OMSN, Berkut)
- "Kadyrov's spetsnaz"
- Ministry of Justice special forces:
- Independent regional detachments such as Saturn
The Word Spetznaz is the most loosely used and understood word in Military nomenclature.
I am suprised by this statement you have made. You seem so confident on your statement that MARCOS is below par. but didnt know that the first Team of MARCOS came out of Buds and then went on to get qualified with the SBS as well? And Repeatedly till date you will see a few MARCOS wearing Budweisers (just as you will see Army PARAs with US Ranger Tabs)And Good to know that Marcos training and ethos came directly from Seals.
No i don't know any one in Navy but Army starting from my father, all i can tell you that Army has a long history of saving Marco ASS in Kashmir.
Congrats Brothers :bs:
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15 Reasons The Indian Navy MARCOS Are The Best In The World
Abhishek Saksena
May 2, 2015
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There are special forces and then there are the Indian Navy’s Marine Commandos or MARCOS. The Indian Navy’s elite special force, that specialises in everything from counter terrorism to underwater operations and sabotage to anti-piracy ops. Thanks to this wide field of operation, they have not only served on the high seas but also been called in during Op Vijay, better known as the Kargil War. Here’s what makes them the best in the world.
1.MARCOS were raised as the Indian Marine Special Forces (IMSF) in 1985. Two years later, they were renamed the Marine Commando Force (MCF). Their motto is – The Few The Fearless.
2. Becoming a MARCO or a Marine Commando is no cakewalk. Trainees have to undergo one of the world’s toughest courses that can last between two-and-a-half to three years, depending on the specialisation.
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3. Getting selected to be trained as a MARCO itself is difficult. The pre-training procedure, which includes a three-day physical fitness and aptitude test, sees almost 80% applicants being screened out. And it gets worse. A five-week-long ‘hell’s week’ follows this, which includes sleep deprivation and intense physical training. Those that make it through, or don’t quit on their own, actually proceed to the actual training.
4. Those that clear the selection then start undergoing the grilling course which includes basic training at INS Abhimanyu in Mumbai. The trainees then train in para jumps at the Paratrooper Training School in Agra and a diving course at Navy’s Diving School in Kochi.
5. After this basic training, they join – on probation – their respective groups for advance training. This includes training for counter insurgency, anti-hijacking, anti-piracy, clandestine operations, surveillance and reconnaissance, amphibious operations, unconventional warfare, and hostage rescue, among others.
6. All MARCOS are static line para jump qualified and some are qualified for freefall (HALO/HAHO) para jumps – High Altitude Low Opening and High Altitude High Opening. In fact, MARCOS are the handful of the special forces from around the world that are capable of being para dropped into the sea with the full combat load.
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7. MARCOS are also trained in High Altitude Commando Course at the Parvat Ghatak School in Tawang, Arunachal Pradesh, at the Desert Warfare School in Rajasthan, High Altitude Warfare School (HAWS) in Sonmarg and Counter Insurgency and Jungle Warfare School (CIJWS) in Mizoram.
8. Their training makes MARCOS tough nuts to crack. An Indian MARCO on an exchange program in the US topped the US Navy SEAL course with ease.
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9. After completion of training, a MARCO serves with the elite outfit for 3 to 5 years.
10. The MARCOS are equipped with some of the best weapons in the world. The units are equipped with the Israeli Tavor TAR-21 assault rifle to which a 40 mm grenade launcher can be attached. The TAR-21 is weather sealed, so a MARCO can emerge out of the sea, weapon drawn and ready to shoot. A scary sight for the bad guys!
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11. Other weapons include the Heckler & Koch MP5 sub machine gun for close quarter battles, the SIG Sauer P226 and Glock 17 pistols and the Druganov and Galil sniper rifles and OSV-96 semi-auto heavy caliber anti material rifle. Apart from the weapons, they also operate two man subs, the Italian CE-2F/X100, for conducting covert underwater operations.
12. The MARCOS operations are the stuff of legends. Op Pawan in Sri Lanka, an operation to blow up the Jaffna jetty, saw MARCOS swim 12 kms to their target with their combat load in tow. They then slipped in without being detected and blew up the harbour with explosives. They were immediately fired upon by the LTTE. The commandos returned fire and managed to swim back to the ship without any casualties.
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13. In 1988, the MARCOS, as a part of Op Cactus, thwarted an attempted coup in Maldives. They captured the boat with 46 mercenaries and their hostages that had escaped after the failed coup attempt.
14. During the Kargil War, the MARCOS were tasked to undertake covert operations behind enemy lines. During the Mumbai attacks in 2008, they stormed the Oberoi Trident and Taj hotels where the terrorists were killed.
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15. Even the terrorists in Kashmir are scared of the MARCOS and refer to them as ‘Dadiwala Fauj’, thanks to the beards they wear as disguise.
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