INDIA`S DEVELOPMENT RATE - Good, Average or Poor?

Yatharth Singh

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In our daily lives we always stage debates and discussions whether India`s development rate is satisfactory or not but why do we always compare our development with the most developed nations of the world i.e the US, UK, France etc. Why don`t we see that US has completed more than 225 years of independence whereas the France got liberalized in the late 18th century. The present situation of these countries are a result of the reforms, hard work and development experience over the hundreds of years.

On the other hand India, a new country breathing in its 63rd year of Independence that is full of human potential but lack in experience, wants to achieve everything which was achieved by the developed nations over hundred`s of years. In this blind competition obviously India has achieved lot more than it deserves and it is no doubt because of the extreme hard work and the flawless job done by the Indians and if you ask me than I would just say that the development of India is going on an excellent rate.

If somebody wants that India should become a superpower in the field of economy, architecture, science and technology, and military power in the upcoming 4-5 years then it is not possible because you see right now India still has many basic challenges such as education, poverty, health, corruption, defence, etc. and these are not such things that can be accomplished in 2-3 years and if we will make unnecessary hurry then it will surely result in a weak base for the future development.

No country is gifted with a magical wand that can change the scenario. Its the citizen of that country who makes a nation weak or strong.

Originally posted by Yatharth Singh, DFI member.

Give your suggestions and advices because this is my first thread and that too written by me.Thank you.
 

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but you compare it with Japan or S.Korea or any asian Country..........
still we are going slow rate............
 

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India is far more ahead of South Korea and if you talk about Brazil and S Africa who got independent much earlier than India are still lagging behind. Japan was a technological power in the world during the 2nd WW which means that it was developed much earlier.
 

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In terms of development, India is crawling. Indian and Chinese cities were nearly on-par in the mid-70s, yet they've grown 3 times over, with demonstrable development and public amenities. While China builds skyline after skyline, we're yet to build a real skyscraper. Whatever modern civic amenities are there, are confined to the tier-1 cities. Development should be wholesome, not crusty.

Before someone bombs me with statistics, I'm talking about development as in amenities available to the people, not economy.
 

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India is far more ahead of South Korea and if you talk about Brazil and S Africa who got independent much earlier than India are still lagging behind. Japan was a technological power in the world during the 2nd WW which means that it was developed much earlier.
South Korea is much more advanced than India.
#1 in Technology, these Asian countries.. Japan, and South Korea.

South Africa as you mentioned did get it's "independence" much earlier than India. But a government hasn't been established there since 1960. And they've had their own internal issues (apartheid) etc.

India is lagging behind. There is no question in it.
To my standards, India is only doing better than Afghanistan. (you may perceive differently, feel free to argue)

We need to do more. We have such a large population with a huge capacity to do work.
 

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In terms of development, India is crawling. Indian and Chinese cities were nearly on-par in the mid-70s, yet they've grown 3 times over, with demonstrable development and public amenities. While China builds skyline after skyline, we're yet to build a real skyscraper. Whatever modern civic amenities are there, are confined to the tier-1 cities. Development should be wholesome, not crusty.

Before someone bombs me with statistics, I'm talking about development as in amenities available to the people, not economy.
you still has not realized when CHina started leaving India behind.


in fact, evevn during Mao era(1950s-1970s) ,that is before Deng came into power,China in fact left India behind ,as for most human development indication,from average life expectancy,literacy rate to industry capacity. it is just after Deng opened the gate of CHina that the sino-India gap became more obvious.

Instead, the most important reason why the whole south Asia is left behind by East Asia is that South Asia has not experienced real land reform as all east Asia counties did soon after WWII ended .

After postwar land reform, the peasants in east asian countries were set free from aricultures and become the useful labour needed by industrialization while it didn't happen in South Asia.

In fact, Until now, peasants in South Asia still struggle for their piece of land and mid-age style social structure has not be swept off in rural India. it hold back the industrialiazation of India.

that is why India is left behind
 
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India's journey has been a very complex one, some 63years back we faced a traumatic partition which led to 3 full scale wars and 3 acts of aggression where India kept its composure and did not let the emotions boil to further 3 full scale wars to today where there are a near 1.2billion mouths to be fed to a huge number of religious affiliations and even with in those religious affiliations there are further divides like a caste system, sect system to a class divide to a big regional divide which is not only prominently highlighted all over the country but is seen in the smallest of the states and to politics which is about appeasing the voters with gimmicks, false hopes and about emotional issues rather than about basic needs and development, to having a political class which was never visionary enough on the how to make best use of capitalism a symptom seen right from the leadership days of Jawahar Lal Nehru, and one is forced to wonder had the drastic economic situation of a near bankruptcy not been confronted with and had we not had visionaries like Narasimha Rao (who took a huge political risk) and Manmohan Singh would we have had the much needed liberalization and economic reforms that happened in 1991, and I am forced to believe the answer would be a no.

Now I don't want to entirely blame the political class as well though pushing of extreme levels of socialism which only brought about a rot in the system by way of inefficiency, incompetence and huge levels of corruption in the system cant be pardoned, but still if we look at the numerous complexities that exist and the way our political system works where the pulls and pressures of vote bank politics happens, even the best people on the job are forced to take up issues which are irrelevant that makes no change to the day-to-day life of people in general and even these people are then forced to compromise on principles that they otherwise would have not, and the saying one rotten apple spoils the barrel couldn't have found a better usage.

India's biggest mistake ever was to take a path where the state was to decide everything for you, the era of nationalisation, which in effect meant the independent thinking was killed and with an era of license raj it effectively meant the little private sector that existed would be riddled with huge corruption with hardly any jobs in the market and here again these people would be dictated as desired by the political masters. India lost a huge amount of time experimenting and pushing on a system for a huge 44 odd years of its existence from the days of independence that in the end only brought about a literal collapse of entrepreneurial skills, which fed corruption, made the system inept and which prospered inefficacies the ills from which we till date suffer from to the extent a meager 2%-3% growth rates that we did was termed as hindu rate of growth also at times referred to as socialist rate of growth.

The silver lining appeared when India was confronted with dilemmas where its long time ally the soviet union had collapsed which could no longer sustain us (they were instrumental in the little public sector industries we had then) to a near bankruptcy and even here one is forced to say we have not been able to walk that extra mile with much needed reforms across the spectrum which has made sure that economically we have still not surged ahead with the potential that we hold. Though for once it seems now we are on a path where capitalism has been given a big push which has made sure we have been able to produce world beaters in reliance, TATA, bharti, and many-many more to states like TN, Gujarat which have taken on to themselves to be the best investment destinations to the extent in the recent findings of a report presented by PwC, they point out it is India which will produce the most MNCs in the next decade and a half. And it is because of this excellence achieved in little spaces that India can now sustain a system which best suits us that of capitalism which has made sure the state exchequer is brimming with monetary reserves and through this we can subsidize and pursue socialism where the vast majority of our population can be taken case of by means of social security by various schemes that are under implementation.

As someone very famously said once, we are a nation of average people with average achievers so I would rate our development trajectory as average though with a future that holds the potential of excellence!
 
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I think we have gone about as best as could be expected of such a divided and heterogeneous society. If we want to progress faster then the middle classes of the nation need to grow vastly and that is only possible if the oligarchic elite 1% who control so much of the nation's wealth and economic output are cut down to size.
 

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India is lagging behind. There is no question in it.
To my standards, India is only doing better than Afghanistan. (you may perceive differently, feel free to argue)

We need to do more. We have such a large population with a huge capacity to do work.
How have you reached said conclusion.
 

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In terms of development, India is crawling. Indian and Chinese cities were nearly on-par in the mid-70s, yet they've grown 3 times over, with demonstrable development and public amenities. While China builds skyline after skyline, we're yet to build a real skyscraper. Whatever modern civic amenities are there, are confined to the tier-1 cities. Development should be wholesome, not crusty.

Before someone bombs me with statistics, I'm talking about development as in amenities available to the people, not economy.
South Korea is much more advanced than India.
#1 in Technology, these Asian countries.. Japan, and South Korea.

South Africa as you mentioned did get it's "independence" much earlier than India. But a government hasn't been established there since 1960. And they've had their own internal issues (apartheid) etc.

India is lagging behind. There is no question in it.
To my standards, India is only doing better than Afghanistan. (you may perceive differently, feel free to argue)

We need to do more. We have such a large population with a huge capacity to do work.
I have never said that India i an advanced country or is a well developed power. But conditions and challenges in India are far more tough than the other nations because of its diverse population where we Keep everyone equal. A decision is not taken until it is sanctioned by a majority and on that too the minority is not neglected. Before comparing India with China you must know about the conditions in which it is developing. Chinese Gov. dont take decisions by a majority. It crush the voice which stands against it. Somewhat similar conditions are there in Korea too. Yes China`s overall development is excellent but mind you that it will not work in the long term effects. It does not lay emphasis for education to its citizens. Building an infrastructure is of no use if it cant be utilized by its people.On the other hand India is not making a hurry to become a "developed country". It is laying emphasis on the overall development of the nation no matter if its speed is a bit slow and this overall development will prove an excellent base for its long term programs.
 

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I have never said that India i an advanced country or is a well developed power. But conditions and challenges in India are far more tough than the other nations because of its diverse population where we Keep everyone equal. A decision is not taken until it is sanctioned by a majority and on that too the minority is not neglected. Before comparing India with China you must know about the conditions in which it is developing. Chinese Gov. dont take decisions by a majority. It crush the voice which stands against it. Somewhat similar conditions are there in Korea too. Yes China`s overall development is excellent but mind you that it will not work in the long term effects.
yes, 60 years after 1949 is still not enough to be called " long term" ,by your criterion.

maybe your "long term" should be 100 years or 200 years ,shouldn't it?
So, nobody here can prove whether your conclusion is right or wrong, because everybody dies before your "long-term" race ends.

what a smart guy you are!

It does not lay emphasis for education to its citizens. Building an infrastructure is of no use if it cant be utilized by its people.On the other hand India is not making a hurry to become a "developed country". It is laying emphasis on the overall development of the nation no matter if its speed is a bit slow and this overall development will prove an excellent base for its long term programs.
education? ..literacy rate talks...guy.
 

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I have never said that India i an advanced country or is a well developed power. But conditions and challenges in India are far more tough than the other nations because of its diverse population where we Keep everyone equal. A decision is not taken until it is sanctioned by a majority and on that too the minority is not neglected. Before comparing India with China you must know about the conditions in which it is developing. Chinese Gov. dont take decisions by a majority. It crush the voice which stands against it. Somewhat similar conditions are there in Korea too. Yes China`s overall development is excellent but mind you that it will not work in the long term effects. It does not lay emphasis for education to its citizens. Building an infrastructure is of no use if it cant be utilized by its people.On the other hand India is not making a hurry to become a "developed country". It is laying emphasis on the overall development of the nation no matter if its speed is a bit slow and this overall development will prove an excellent base for its long term programs.
Whether it is totalitarianism or democracy, the ultimate goal is the same, to develop.

You are right when you said that "Chinese Gov. dont take decisions by a majority", most Chinese can't directly affect the decisions of the government. But the fact is most Chinese are benefiting from the decisons made by the autocratic government.
How the decision is made doesn't always determine the outcome of the decision. The decision can be made by minority, and at the same time benefit the majority, as long as the decision is being made according to the interest of the majority.
 

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Whether it is totalitarianism or democracy, the ultimate goal is the same, to develop.

You are right when you said that "Chinese Gov. dont take decisions by a majority", most Chinese can't directly affect the decisions of the government. But the fact is most Chinese are benefiting from the decisons made by the autocratic government.
How the decision is made doesn't always determine the outcome of the decision. The decision can be made by minority, and at the same time benefit the majority, as long as the decision is being made according to the interest of the majority.
At first ,Truth usually stands by the minority ....guy
 

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Where is India wrt to China ?
My answer it is doing fine actually.The Chinese seems to be perpetually on steroids and Armands posts have given me an idea of what acctually goes inside China.I would say that India is a lot better in the growth aspect.Our growth isn't carcinogenic and we ccan tweak it to our needs.Murphys law is a perennial threat to China.Which India is a bit immune too
 

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